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To All Kefir-gurus: Almond-coconut kefir?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 09, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I wanted to dabble in making dairy-free kefir, whilst keeping the caloric content on the low end. I planned on using Unsweetened Almond/Coconut Milk to match my goals.

Will the lack of sugars/lactose/I'm not sure what else make it an un-kerif-able mix?

140e2a7ebd23d56038f8b597bab28464

on May 11, 2012
at 09:23 PM

The blend is SO good! Now I'm a bit bummed that the ingredient list is so lengthy. Thank you for the link, the help, *and* the scam warning!

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Yes, goat is better all around; it's my favorite. I'd like to point out that the longer the ferment, the more binding dairy kefir is (constipation-causing)...at least until you're very used to it.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:39 PM

Oh, and Ickjui - I do love the taste of that almond/coconut milk. Yum!

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Balor, I don't know; they might be able digest the soluble fiber inulin, which I'm not sure is in any of the milks or not -- this is outside my knowledge. But if it's there, a total of 1g of fiber in the serving may not be enough; I'm also not sure if they can exist solely on soluble fiber without sugar as well.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:31 PM

A great (though a little kooky) kefir resource is here: http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html However, don't order anything from him. His information is very good, but he doesn't fill orders and has been accused of scamming.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:28 PM

Yes, lactose is sugar, and there is plenty in goats milk (and all dairy types) for your dairy kefir grains! (That's my preferred milk to make kefir from, since it's an easier milk to digest.) You won't need to add any sugar to that. If you use water grains with almond milk that has zero sugar, you should add a little bit so it has something to eat (water grains eat regular sugar, not lactose). Start with a tsp. and work from there -- see how the grains do with that, how well they multiply, and if the resulting kefir is too sweet or tart for you when it's ready.

140e2a7ebd23d56038f8b597bab28464

on May 11, 2012
at 03:05 PM

So I've learned that my grains are (they are the Yogourmet standard kefir starter grains) going to need to lactose so I will be going with goat's milk! I think that's a small step up from cow's milk. I have no idea what dairy that contains lactose would be the ideal milk. If I make water-kefir, is that what I need to add the sugar to? The lactose in the dairy is the sugar equivalent when using the dairy-kefir grains? I can't thank you guys enough! I have been trying to get some info from people at health food stores -- no help >____<

140e2a7ebd23d56038f8b597bab28464

on May 11, 2012
at 03:03 PM

You have a good point. I should probably wean myself off of the Almond Breeze! I still have a few staples in my diet I need to eliminate in order to be 100% paleo. Thank you for your input!

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on May 11, 2012
at 05:30 AM

As others replied here, it's best to do dairy kefir. If you want to avoid the "bad" points of dairy, simply use goat milk instead of cow milk (different casein, more tolerable), and leave it ferment between 24 and 36 hours (less lactose).

De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

(3747)

on May 10, 2012
at 05:45 PM

Can't they digest fiber as well? That's why it gives us gas after all :)

140e2a7ebd23d56038f8b597bab28464

on May 09, 2012
at 09:55 PM

The almond/coconut blend from Almond Breeze [which is delicious and i suggest trying for a dairy swap ;) ] has pretty much zero sugar. One carb --> one gram fiber. I guess I can't have my kefir unless I feed it some sugar? What is the most "paleo-friendly" sugar I could provide it? I can't thank you enough for your input, by the way!

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Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 09, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Kefir grains need sugar to live; otherwise they starve. Dairy kefir grains specifically need lactose, so I would suggest water grains, unless you want to give your dairy grains a milk bath every few days for at least 24 hours to recover. Dairy grains will ferment coconut milk (I have done this, swapping with dairy milk to keep it happy), but will not thrive in it.

Are you using boxed milks with very little native sugar? If you find the grains are struggling, Adding a little sugar to the coconut or almond milk will help feed them; your calories won't increase much because the bacteria consume the sugar.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:39 PM

Oh, and Ickjui - I do love the taste of that almond/coconut milk. Yum!

140e2a7ebd23d56038f8b597bab28464

on May 09, 2012
at 09:55 PM

The almond/coconut blend from Almond Breeze [which is delicious and i suggest trying for a dairy swap ;) ] has pretty much zero sugar. One carb --> one gram fiber. I guess I can't have my kefir unless I feed it some sugar? What is the most "paleo-friendly" sugar I could provide it? I can't thank you enough for your input, by the way!

De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

(3747)

on May 10, 2012
at 05:45 PM

Can't they digest fiber as well? That's why it gives us gas after all :)

140e2a7ebd23d56038f8b597bab28464

on May 11, 2012
at 03:05 PM

So I've learned that my grains are (they are the Yogourmet standard kefir starter grains) going to need to lactose so I will be going with goat's milk! I think that's a small step up from cow's milk. I have no idea what dairy that contains lactose would be the ideal milk. If I make water-kefir, is that what I need to add the sugar to? The lactose in the dairy is the sugar equivalent when using the dairy-kefir grains? I can't thank you guys enough! I have been trying to get some info from people at health food stores -- no help >____<

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:31 PM

A great (though a little kooky) kefir resource is here: http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html However, don't order anything from him. His information is very good, but he doesn't fill orders and has been accused of scamming.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Balor, I don't know; they might be able digest the soluble fiber inulin, which I'm not sure is in any of the milks or not -- this is outside my knowledge. But if it's there, a total of 1g of fiber in the serving may not be enough; I'm also not sure if they can exist solely on soluble fiber without sugar as well.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on May 11, 2012
at 07:28 PM

Yes, lactose is sugar, and there is plenty in goats milk (and all dairy types) for your dairy kefir grains! (That's my preferred milk to make kefir from, since it's an easier milk to digest.) You won't need to add any sugar to that. If you use water grains with almond milk that has zero sugar, you should add a little bit so it has something to eat (water grains eat regular sugar, not lactose). Start with a tsp. and work from there -- see how the grains do with that, how well they multiply, and if the resulting kefir is too sweet or tart for you when it's ready.

140e2a7ebd23d56038f8b597bab28464

on May 11, 2012
at 09:23 PM

The blend is SO good! Now I'm a bit bummed that the ingredient list is so lengthy. Thank you for the link, the help, *and* the scam warning!

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9838e3c826f0fccf49ff728267d5b944

on May 11, 2012
at 05:25 AM

From my experience, Milk kefir grains should be cultured in dairy milk. It's possible to do half almond milk and half raw milk and still get results, but you risk weakening the culture. Plus, Almond Breeze has several non "paleo-friendly" ingredients. You could try making your own almond milk if you're totally against real milk. If you choose to try and add a sugar, steer clear of honey - it's antibacterial properties could also damage the balance. If you want to further reduce the lactose content (carbs, sugar, calories) of milk kefir, you could do a second ferment, but I would only feel comfortable recommending this with raw milk.

140e2a7ebd23d56038f8b597bab28464

on May 11, 2012
at 03:03 PM

You have a good point. I should probably wean myself off of the Almond Breeze! I still have a few staples in my diet I need to eliminate in order to be 100% paleo. Thank you for your input!

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1b86a29415982cdfa41c20844f68b2e0

on May 29, 2012
at 10:41 PM

coconut kefir is sold at whole foods -- they use lactose from vegetables

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