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Bone broth fast/GAPS/Kefir question

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Created September 06, 2011 at 6:33 PM

I've been advised by my Dr. who recommended GAPS to do a bone broth fast for a couple of days to heal my gut and I am confused how to go about it.

I don't tolerate fats very well so I'm concerned that the GAPS diet or the fast may not help me.... so I skim alot of the fat off the top and am drinking the rest of the liquid that is left over. Is this still supposed to be healing?

He also recommended that I throw in some goat kefir and drink that during the fast so that I'm not starving but I don't tolerate dairy very well either. Any suggestions?

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on July 01, 2013
at 05:05 AM

Gelatin is not fat. It's amino acids.

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:23 AM

I am also curious how long your fast lasted.

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:19 AM

She says to skim off the scum - the frothy brown/grey layer on the top. Sally Fallon would never tell you to get rid of fat.

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on November 05, 2011
at 01:42 AM

If I remember correctly she said somewhere else that she said to skim off the fat in NT because that's the way it's done to make the classic broth-based sauces used by chefs. If you are just going to drink it and want the fat there is no reason to remove it.

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on October 06, 2011
at 09:29 PM

I'm doing GAPS now with my adult son, and blogging about it as I go. www.ruthsrealfood.com We didn't go on the diet for weight loss, but the most remarkable thing so far is that he's lost 6 kilos in about 2 weeks, isn't exercising and isn't hungry at all.

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on October 06, 2011
at 09:26 PM

In the GAPS book she says not to skim off the fat.

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on September 08, 2011
at 04:12 PM

From my understanding the gelatin is a mixture of fat, marrow and other goodness from inside the bones. I drank 3-4 cups of broth and 2-3 cups of kvass. Not much calories at all and did it for 3 days. I actaully felt really good. I had a calmness I had never experience....almost out of body...it was weird.

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on September 08, 2011
at 04:13 AM

That sounds like some great healing you experienced! May I ask how much you drank of everything and for how long you fasted roughly?

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on September 08, 2011
at 04:10 AM

So the gelatin is the fat that comes to the top? I was a little confused about that part. Kvass sounds great, thank you!Luckily I just ordered some from an Amish farm for me next week to try. How much of the kvass juice did you drink? It seems I can tolerate fish broth extremely well rather than most meats so perhaps that will be my go to if it's just as nutritious

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on September 07, 2011
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Yeah please repost the link to your blog!

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on September 07, 2011
at 12:46 AM

Wow, your doctor sounds great! I'm so jealous.

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at 10:06 PM

Your link doesn't work,it leads to the regular Wordpress site

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on September 06, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Wow...you've got a great doctor! Stick with him/her. My experience with the bone broth fast was next to miraculous. However I didnt use kefir but beet and carrot kvass as additional calories. I did not skim off the fat. You may want to give it a shot first without skimming. Since you will be "fasting" it may help digest the fats in a liquid form on an empty stomach. All I know and have read is that the gelatinous portion of the broth is the most important for gut health. Good luck.

7c647ec10132e2b8554c9e93a78c8c25

(25)

on September 08, 2011
at 04:10 AM

So the gelatin is the fat that comes to the top? I was a little confused about that part. Kvass sounds great, thank you!Luckily I just ordered some from an Amish farm for me next week to try. How much of the kvass juice did you drink? It seems I can tolerate fish broth extremely well rather than most meats so perhaps that will be my go to if it's just as nutritious

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on September 08, 2011
at 04:12 PM

From my understanding the gelatin is a mixture of fat, marrow and other goodness from inside the bones. I drank 3-4 cups of broth and 2-3 cups of kvass. Not much calories at all and did it for 3 days. I actaully felt really good. I had a calmness I had never experience....almost out of body...it was weird.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on July 01, 2013
at 05:05 AM

Gelatin is not fat. It's amino acids.

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on September 06, 2011
at 08:05 PM

Yes, I also followed this path to miraculous results health wise (healing a long term liver issue). I keep the fat as much as possible. The brown foam is what should be skimmed off for sure. When the broth is refrigerated the fat will rise to create a seal on the jar and allow you to add or remove as you can tolerate. I also did beet kvass, water and coconut water kefir (kefir grains set in water with sugar or coconut water to ferment) and made my own kimchi and saurkrauts. Most traditional Western doctors are amazed that I was able to reverse level 3 fibrosis of the liver. But after watching Dr. Lustig's 'Sugar-The Bitter Truth' I am more than certain that high fructose sweetners and carbohydrates were making me sick as hell. I wish you all the luck in the world on your healing.

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on September 08, 2011
at 04:13 AM

That sounds like some great healing you experienced! May I ask how much you drank of everything and for how long you fasted roughly?

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(161)

on August 08, 2012
at 05:23 AM

I am also curious how long your fast lasted.

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on September 06, 2011
at 08:46 PM

You shouldn't be starving during the fast (any type of fast) if you are drinking enough liquids. I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the bone broth fast. And if you ever do experience hunger just drink more broth and the "hunger" should quickly subside. IMO it is not necessary to add milk for calories sake, especially if you don't tolerate it very well.

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on October 06, 2011
at 06:20 PM

if i remember and know my stuff correctly....

bone broth:

1) slowly simmering bones in liquid brings out the fat and the minerals BUT some dietary fat is needed to properly absorb the minerals. also, dietary fat is very crucial in all forms of healing

2) i had more successes with making bone broths if i added raw organic unfiltered apple cider vinegar - the low acid brings out all the good stuff from bones much better

kefir:

1) goat milk's protein is closer to human breast milk much more than cow's milk so it might be much easier to digest even if you have a sensitivity to cow milk's protein. but if allergic please be careful and research first

2) if you are lactose intolerant, like me, you can make your own kefir with kefir-grains. commercial kefir would still have some lactose and the probiotics in them aren't good enough. homemade kefir (made with kefir grains) have 35-37 strains of beneficial bacteria/yeast (which are both good). commercial stuff that i've seen on at best has 10 strains. also, homemade kefir has greater strength if let fermented long enough. that's what i've been making from a week ago and i'm feeling much better from SIBO.

for more info on kefir, go to:

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

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on September 06, 2011
at 08:37 PM

When I made bone broth and drank it 4 times a day, I felt like I could survive on it for a fast, it was amazingly filling and satisfying! I put it in the fridge, let cool and skim the fat off. It also helped me with food cravings. Good luck! I think you will feel great on it!

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on April 22, 2012
at 10:24 AM

Wow. I'm just about to start GAPS to help with OCD. I follow strict Paleo now, but I was kind of scared of GAPS. You guys make it seem so easy tho. Thank you. Bone broth gets made tomorrow. Pickles are already fermenting. I kind of thought that my gut was fine because of years of Paleo, but you guys noticed a difference even on top of your standard Paleo diets?

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on September 06, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Read the GAPS book (or brush up at GAPS.me). During the introductory phase, you can cook both meat and vegetables in with the broth, just be sure to cook them long enough and to also add probiotic foods. We did GAPS intro last year and have followed the full GAPS protocol ever since. I wish you best of luck. Feel free to comment at my blog if you have questions.

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on September 06, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Your link doesn't work,it leads to the regular Wordpress site

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on September 07, 2011
at 03:03 PM

Yeah please repost the link to your blog!

Medium avatar

(3029)

on October 06, 2011
at 09:29 PM

I'm doing GAPS now with my adult son, and blogging about it as I go. www.ruthsrealfood.com We didn't go on the diet for weight loss, but the most remarkable thing so far is that he's lost 6 kilos in about 2 weeks, isn't exercising and isn't hungry at all.

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on September 06, 2011
at 07:21 PM

In the book "Nourishing Traditions" she says to skim the fat off, so I would definitely do that.

As far as goat dairy, it is quite different to cow dairy so I would definitely at least try it.

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on October 06, 2011
at 09:26 PM

In the GAPS book she says not to skim off the fat.

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on November 05, 2011
at 01:42 AM

If I remember correctly she said somewhere else that she said to skim off the fat in NT because that's the way it's done to make the classic broth-based sauces used by chefs. If you are just going to drink it and want the fat there is no reason to remove it.

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:19 AM

She says to skim off the scum - the frothy brown/grey layer on the top. Sally Fallon would never tell you to get rid of fat.

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