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Does meat + plant juice = all bases covered?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 15, 2012 at 3:15 AM

There's controversy over whether plants are essential to our diets. I once did a 6-month experiment with zero carbs (except for incidental carbs in eggs). I ran into a variety of problems which may or may not have been caused by a lack of carbs. A couple of people commented that things might have been different if I had eaten a greater variety of animal products beyond the muscle meat and liver I mostly ate. Perhaps. But, I'm not averse to getting some nutrients from plants and it seems difficult to ensure that I eat enough bits of animals on a regular basis to get a balanced diet. And, because I don't do particularly well with fiber I'm not thrilled with having much of it in my diet. So, I'm wondering if incorporating plant juices (mostly non-sugary vegetables) into my diet is a good strategy for covering all of my nutrient bases.

Your thoughts?

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on May 15, 2012
at 04:57 PM

I as well am LC-VLC and my bowel movements are also regular and healthy. Your point? Fiber does not equal carbs. You can eat a kale avocado salad, for example, get tons of fiber and negligible carbs.

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on May 15, 2012
at 03:07 PM

'needing' fiber is debatable - I have been LC-VLC for almost 5 years and my bowel movements are always regular and healthy (as per the bristol stool scale). This may vary depending on the individual,

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on May 15, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Ben, I too am very interested in the intersection of paleo and the raw juicing tradition. Would love to hear more as you have more experience in combining the two.

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on May 15, 2012
at 01:53 PM

And if you want to see what I've done, I've been tracking my health efforts since the beginning of the year: http://benrogersjourney.blogspot.com

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

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on May 15, 2012
at 04:36 AM

Whether fiber is necessary is one of those great controversial topics.

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on May 15, 2012
at 04:13 AM

The muscle and much of the organ meat I eat is mostly grass-fed. Don't know how mineral rich the soil was.

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at 04:11 AM

Yes, I forgot to mention that I do ferment cabbage, beets, and carrots and eat some every day, about 1/2 cup with each meal.

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at 03:53 AM

If the animals had a good diet (and were raised on mineral rich soil) - that should be reflected in the nutritional profile of their meat...

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at 03:31 AM

This sounds like a good plan for another experiment.

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on May 15, 2012
at 04:05 AM

are you having any fermented foods at all?i.e. kefir, picked veggies, yoghurt, wine/beer (homebrewed, that is)? lots of micro-nutrients there, but it's just a thought.perhaps in a future trial.

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on May 15, 2012
at 04:11 AM

Yes, I forgot to mention that I do ferment cabbage, beets, and carrots and eat some every day, about 1/2 cup with each meal.

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on May 15, 2012
at 01:53 PM

I have experienced great success in health by juicing various plants and drinking the juices as either the main-stay of my diet or to supplement.

You get a massive infusion of micro-nutriets that way--and it goes a long way to providing your immune system with the energy and raw materials it needs to heal all sorts of conditions.

Now that I have a more paleo-perspective, I've been considering blending the two ideas together and believe it may be the best of both worlds.

Make sure that when you juice that you include lots of the "dark green leafy" veggies--spinach, kale, beet tops, mustard greens, etc.

Avoid tubers. Avoid fruits (though having a few apples and a lemon is often very helpful...).

Oh, and eat an avacado every day that you can. ;)

8767a1533a7b3ed96dd3edb70df9bc90

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on May 15, 2012
at 01:53 PM

And if you want to see what I've done, I've been tracking my health efforts since the beginning of the year: http://benrogersjourney.blogspot.com

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

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on May 15, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Ben, I too am very interested in the intersection of paleo and the raw juicing tradition. Would love to hear more as you have more experience in combining the two.

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on May 15, 2012
at 04:27 AM

You need FIBER. Vegetable matter provides nutrients, but also necessary dietary fiber. Fiber aids digestion, keeps things moving, nourishes the good bacteria, increases nutrient absorption, and all that jazz. If you must drink your vegetables, throw the veggie fiber back in.

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

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on May 15, 2012
at 04:36 AM

Whether fiber is necessary is one of those great controversial topics.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on May 15, 2012
at 04:57 PM

I as well am LC-VLC and my bowel movements are also regular and healthy. Your point? Fiber does not equal carbs. You can eat a kale avocado salad, for example, get tons of fiber and negligible carbs.

66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

(11121)

on May 15, 2012
at 03:07 PM

'needing' fiber is debatable - I have been LC-VLC for almost 5 years and my bowel movements are always regular and healthy (as per the bristol stool scale). This may vary depending on the individual,

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