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What are your thoughts on the Jack Kruse/Quilt TEDx Nashville talk?

Commented on July 20, 2015
Created April 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM

It's on Youtube at long last.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3qNEeqCACwo

EDIT BY PATRIK:

You are free to criticize what the The Quilt/Kruse espouses (and I am certainly not a fan) -- HOWEVER, please moderate your language and tone. Do not use ad hominem or insulting language.

Such language/behavior is not appropriate for PaleoHacks.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 05, 2012
at 04:24 AM

ha ha!!!!!!!.................

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on May 02, 2012
at 11:29 AM

Factor X to be discussed on LC Cruise! Or not .... Be patient, soon he will reveal all!

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on May 02, 2012
at 11:28 AM

So he purposely got an infection for which there was a known cure. This is a far cry from MRSA, that can be deadly, and resistant to antibiotics so if it hadn't worked, his family would be left without a husband and father. Nevermind all the others he endangered. Eh, but I don't believe it anyway.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on May 02, 2012
at 10:23 AM

Teriffic! Just remember: Ideation without execution leads to deletion.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:39 AM

I also wanted the talk to be about factor X

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:34 AM

ha ha, we wouldn't see a reaction at all ;=) Actually, physicians and researchers have a long history of testing things on themselves.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:32 AM

+1 Meridith, but my takeaway on the Monk book is that like many "fictional" pcs., it may very well be based on fact, but presented as fiction because it is just so incredible. And the fact that the book was sent to him along with the leptin papers indicates that others thought there was something unreal to it. Unfortunately, 20 minutes isn't lots of time and I probably would have come away from the talk confused if I hadn't read the CT series already.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:30 AM

lb, it was not chronic weight-related knee pain, it was a sudden injury from doing pretty much nothing that was surprising.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:26 AM

He looked much different last year before he gained the weight. The weight increase was evident from photos he posted. Helz, I hope his style doesn't put you off so much that you quit reading everything.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on May 02, 2012
at 12:56 AM

Sorry I missed your request Patrik. You know it's a quote from a very funny movie. And I stand by it and my right to say it here...cause it's a line from a very funny movie. Glad the issue is resolved though. Ad hominem Joseph? Really? While you are certainly entitled to your opinion I think a fair number of people here would disagree with you mightily. I'm sorry to have offended your sensibilities but maybe you need to lighten up just a bit? You're not going to last long around here if you keep this up.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

(2861)

on May 01, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Endotoxin is dead but will still generate an immune system response just like living bacteria would. Wim was able to suppress his immune response so he did not get any of the normal body responses. He in fact *decreased* his resistance to infection by doing this (to demonstrate his control over his autonomic systems.) That is why endotoxin was used - no chance of developing a real infection. Wim was *not* demonstrating hyper immunity - he was demonstrating control of autonomic systems by turning much of his immunity *off*. Kruse is just mentally challenged. There is no nicer way to say it.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on May 01, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Thanks Meredith. Really good perspective. I love the way you have summarised the talk, as reading it in this format, highlights exactly how ridiculous all this is. It's reads like the ramblings of someone in a bout of mania. I completely agree with your interpretation on the matters that you have provided after the summary too. I was horrified to hear what he put his 11 year old,little girl through. I just. Don't. Get it.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on May 01, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Totally. I had to get it down because I just couldn't keep up with the "flow" of information or what the main topic even was. Since I got it down I thought I'd just put it here for anyone who wanted to skim rather than invest 19 minutes to watch.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 01, 2012
at 06:03 PM

I was 21. I wouldn't have cared. lol.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 01, 2012
at 06:02 PM

This is like somebody telling you what happened in the tv show that you both just watched together. lol

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:45 PM

The "jack" search tag is one of my favourites.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:41 PM

No way that knee pain came from him weighing 350 lbs. Nope. No way, no how. Now if I'd only known that my knee problems when I weighed 350lbs were leptin-related.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:24 PM

A real tour de force Meredith! :)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:24 PM

What a tour de force Meredith! :)

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(12379)

on May 01, 2012
at 02:57 PM

I love your answer Helz - And welcome to the resistance ;)

Medium avatar

(12379)

on May 01, 2012
at 02:42 PM

@jjtitus. I have read JK's blog, and his comments on other blogs and I've listened to podcasts and interviews done by him as well as read a blow by blow when the TEDx was streaming live. So, I'm pretty up to speed on what was presented in the aforementioned video. Sorry you wasted a downvote point on me.

44739854bd06eb5c32af5d33aa866864

(859)

on May 01, 2012
at 02:06 PM

I actually don't think this answers the question at all, I mean, Bree didn't even take the time to watch the TEDx talk... you can't, in all honestly, knock something if you haven't at least watched/read/etc the thing/idea you're against. Therefore I downvoted, because I felt other answers were better...

44739854bd06eb5c32af5d33aa866864

(859)

on May 01, 2012
at 02:01 PM

I actually don't think this answers the question at all, I mean, Bree didn't even take the time to watch the TEDx talk... you can't, in all honestly, knock something if you haven't at least watched/read/etc the thing/idea you're against. Therefore I downvoted, because I felt other answers were better... Apparently that means I get downvoted too, interesting...

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on May 01, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Follow by example. Hmmmm... sounds like a cult to me. I'll pass. I'll follow the peer-reviewed science. But thanks.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on May 01, 2012
at 04:04 AM

Credibility IS assessed subjectively and it's perfectly acceptable to evaluate his credibility here.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on April 30, 2012
at 05:22 PM

LOL@your tags. "Quackery"

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 30, 2012
at 12:34 PM

The "x" is independently organized event. Since Jimmy Moore posted an appeal on Jack's behalf not all that far in advance of the conference, I get the feeling they were filling a last minute slot? Dunno.

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

(2437)

on April 30, 2012
at 01:40 AM

Evelyn, where does he say that you should do this?

Dae0cbb14c23584a2abac7865babe10a

(5)

on April 30, 2012
at 12:50 AM

..So are you saying that TED, being so well known, have got taken in by a fraudster and have put their reputation on stake?

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

(2056)

on April 30, 2012
at 12:29 AM

Check out what Ray Cronise has to say about cold. I

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on April 29, 2012
at 11:32 PM

@Patrik You're right here. Whatever any of our views, "this boil on the butt of the paleo community needs to be lanced" is inappropriate and disrespectful. It is ad hominem.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on April 29, 2012
at 11:21 PM

John, aren't you the long-time friend of Kruse who went to dental school with him?

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 09:41 PM

@Patrik ... HUH? It's your site and all that but "boil on butt" is a pretty good analogy and hardly that offensive. JMO of course.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 09:37 PM

Just to be clear Sam, I don't believe a word of this "epic hack". I don't think a surgeon would do the surgery knowing the full details. I don't believe he had surgery and just had his wife & daughter bring him home or he showed up home asking for the ice. I don't believe he injected MRSA. I don't believe he spends hours on end in ice water. He's offered no proof so ALL details must be considered. Make sense? FWIW, I don't believe his story of riding the subway to the museum alone as a kid in NYC. That is not consistent with my knowledge of NYC same museum same era. Period.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on April 29, 2012
at 09:05 PM

@Shari Bambino -- I am not a fan of Jack Kruse's style or philosphy -- however, you must remain civil -- language like "boil on the butt" is not appropriate for PaleoHacks. Please delete or I will have to.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 07:52 PM

BTW +10000000000000 for tighty tightness twinkletoes!

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 07:51 PM

Bree, sorry you're being downvoted. That's not warranted. +1

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 07:49 PM

That's too bad they cut the intro, thanks for letting us know. He says he gained 25 lbs and the surgery only took 2 lb. This was almost 2 months post op yet I read on FB after this how he was still talking about being bloated. Everyone heals differently, but I've seen folks' diaries of tummy tuck and he's certainly not healed faster that's for sure. I think if he got surgery at all it was because he rebounded in weight when he was getting popular and needed a reason to explain the scars should someone see them on the LC cruise. Yes folks, pure speculation. We're all entitled to that ;-)

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 06:22 PM

OMG. Well first of all they cut out his introduction. They cut the damn intro! Know why? Because the guy introduced him as crazy. No seriously. He was introduced as a crazy man by the emcee. I can't believe they cut that out! It was perfect really. Damn them. Second of all no kidding on the clothes. The original was VERY dark so you really couldn't see him well. Wow, tighty tightness twinkletoes. Jack either needs a new tailor (or a tailor period I'm thinking) or a new plastic surgeon who knows how to really suck stuff out. He's probably lying about everything. Wouldn't be surprised.

F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on April 29, 2012
at 06:12 PM

I don't know his story, but even if I did, I wouldn't make a judement based on whether I thought it "rang true". If Dr. Kruse's credibility is suspect, then there's no more reason to believe that he would lie about one thing than another. You appear to believe he's telling the truth when he claims to have done something that discredits him, but lying when he claims to have done something that doesn't.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on April 29, 2012
at 05:54 PM

I'm with Bree on this one. I have no desire to watch the video. What has been seen: it cannot be unseen. I do not need Kruse's broadcast image permanently emblazoned into my memory, tyvm.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 05:40 PM

Thanks Shari ... Sam, you're not getting it. When you hear his story does it ring true to you? He spun the tale including his family. This, to me, detracts from the credibility of his story (MRSA aside), because it defies logic that such a "nice guy" would put his family through this. If that doesn't make sense to you, so be it. I have a zillion reasons to call this guy a quack based on his so-called "science", but since the topic of this speech was of a more personal story nature, I commented on that.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 05:33 PM

By the negativity I mean the personal attacks made by both sides, I think it takes the credibility away somewhat. Disagreeing with the 'science' is one thing but name calling is something different.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 05:16 PM

Don't feel bad about the votes. This is a hot button issue. I know for sure you are not alone in your thoughts. I think it's good to let people know that ignoring this guy may be the best option. I don't agree with you that the negativity makes us look bad. I think to sit back and say nothing makes us look far worse. I certainly understand how you feel and I think for you and others just ignoring him is the best way to deal. I do think someone needs to speak out though and I'm glad there seem to be many who want to do just that. A little late to the party IMO but glad they have shown up.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 05:09 PM

But Sam Jack is WELL KNOWN to just make stuff up. He's done this for YEARS. And dear Jack is the one that chose to drag his family into this which I find disgusting and abhorrent. Using your children in this way? It just goes to his character or lack of character IMO. Once he did that though it's fair game. He's the asshole not Evelyn.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:59 PM

I think that he's been challeneged since he started posting on PH. I have no clue how he has obtained so much 'fame' I think a lot comes from the negative attention he receives here. He likes to be seen as a 'rebel with a cause' if you will - and we're buying into it. And so are his followers. I am happy to notice lately that all the people that I talk to in person re: paleo eating have never heard of him. And F*** I'm mad about all the downvotes I'm getting for my answer here - but I'm sticking by it - he will get no youtube views from me

F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

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on April 29, 2012
at 04:53 PM

Unless you were there at the time or have a credible witness, everything you say is speculation. In any case, his relationship with his family has no bearing on the truth or falsehood of his assertions, and no bearing on the efficacy of his recommended treatments.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:49 PM

I had the great displeasure of watching the train wreck as it happened. I have no desire to relive that painful experience. I can only hope this is the long-awaited nail in the coffin. This boil on the butt of the paleo community needs to be lanced and drained and soon. Please for the love of all that is holy let it be soon. Bruno I think most people think he's a likable guy. Crazy and wrong and other not-so-great stuff but surely fairly likeable.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:46 PM

I had the great displeasure of watching the train wreck as it happened. I can only hope this is the long-awaited nail in the coffin. This boil on the butt of the paleo community needs to be lanced and drained and soon. Please for the love of all that is holy let it be soon.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:44 PM

Bree I totally get your position and I think for some just staying out of it is the right thing to do. Dealing with this crap can be draining. I agree with Evelyn too though and think that he can't be allowed to go unchallenged. He went unchallenged for far too long and that's what got us (the paleo community) into this mess. He should have been nipped in the bud a year ago. But no, everyone (with any power) just pretending this disaster wasn't happening. Now the paleo community is being hijacked by a madman. "All that is necessary for crazy to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Indeed.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:38 PM

Video not available in my country. Boo :(

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:38 PM

I like Dr. Kruse, I just don't like his ideas.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 04:37 PM

I'm not speculating on his relationship with his family. I think his claimed actions put his credibility as a medical professional in question, however. I suppose one shouldn't care how big a prick someone is to his family if he's out to save the world, eh?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:37 PM

LOL!!!! Have you shot yourself up with MRSA yet John? Make sure to take pics or video when you do. Pics or it didn't happen.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 04:16 PM

I see where you're coming from. But if nobody speaks up, then the Jack Kruse keynote speakering and inclusion on discussion panels, etc. will continue unabated. His quackery may even dissuade some FROM trying the parts he has right -- e.g. there can be benefits of cold therapy correctly applied.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:54 PM

And I don't beleive that he has all that much credibilty. Not to me, and not to any of the wonderful people that I know and respect floating around the paleosphere.

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:53 PM

Evelyn, I think the problem is that for some reason whenever it is discussed here it ends up being a character attack on both sides - and nothing good ever comes of it. Those who chose to bathe in ice and stimulate their vagal nerves or inject themselves with drug resistent bacteria are NOT going to hear anything that is going to be said here. His followers do not give a crap what we think. This has been documented time and again - and I know you've seen it all on the other threads and blogs discussing the Doc.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 03:50 PM

Bree, do you consider negativity over, say, the doctors recommending healthy whole grains to make the PH community look bad? I think the problems with Jack's work are worthwhile to discuss so long as he's afforded credibility in the paleo community.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:48 PM

Perfect example of the hyperbole that surrounds Dr. Kruse. "You ignore him at your own detriment" really? Is he that original? Can I not glean all of what he says from others?

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 03:47 PM

I'll not treat my family like he claims to have treated his any time soon. Nor do I plan to experiment on myself by deliberately damaging my health to gain weight so I can undergo unnecessary surgery, that always carries risks, inject myself with MRSA and endanger everyone around me.

Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

(1794)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:47 PM

It's not that bad.

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:04 PM

WOW! Despite the fact that many have commented that Dr. Kruse speaks much better than he writes, I was still so very confused as to what the main take aways from this presentation should be. So, here are a few notes taken directly from the talk:

JK wanted to share an idea that will "change your life."

This whole thing started with knee tear. A friend shared books and papers with him as a result. The book was The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari (A FABLE About Fulfilling Your Dreams & Reaching Your Destiny). In the book a lawyer left his law practice to live with Sherpas. When he came back everyone said he looked 25 years younger and was in great shape. Dr. JK wonders, what if this is possible?

The papers that were shared with him were about cytokines and leptin. Leptin controls everything so, he knew that the knee was tied to leptin.

In 2009, the Nobel prize went to telomoere biology. So he also got interesting in looking at that too.

Is is possible that obesity is an inflammatory brain condition, asks JK? Could he fix himself via the Leptin reset which he says was a secret until last year? He says he used that diet and cold because sherpas live in the cold.

Colclear implants rewires the brain so people can hear again. This is like what JK claims he did, he rewired his vagal nerve to rewire his brain. So, this caused him to lose 157 lbs.

He showed a photo of his son (who didn't even know he was going to be there or that he did this surgery and MRSA thing) who was overweight in the photo. He used the Leptin Rx and CT on his son His kid lost 60 lbs in 6 weeks. He turned his nephew into a navy seal.

He wan't satisfied with this, he got into the whole longevity thing and ran tests to see if he got younger. According to him, his blood tests say that he did.

He says that our deep ancestors who came out of the water were cold adapted mammals. There was an evolutionary bottleneck so to get food they had to go back into the water to get omega 3 fish. To do that they had to get numb, and that was interesting to him. (Again, no citation or reference. This is all him here).

He refers to Wim Hof's Tedx presentation. Dr. Kruse says Wim injected himself with bacteria and didn't get sick. He also climbed Everest and ran a marathon - JK claims that he was able to do all of this because of the cold.

JK says that Lance Armstrong, Micheal Phelps, sherpas and astronauts use cold to do what they do. JK says that nobody know this, but Lance has freezers in his house and that's what helped him win. Phelps swims in 50 degree water and that made him a winner. Neil Armstrong lost 30 lbs and ate less while in space. JK says it's the sherpas that give us the answer to all of these things.

JK says that this is a pathway that no one knows about, but JK. But he goes on to say that it's in the Monk Who Sold His Ferrari.

He goes on to tell us a story of a surgeon he knows. who got acute spinal cord compression while performing surgery. He went to a hospital and had surgery that didn't go well, so he was sent to JK and JK told him the secrets and fixed him and in 6 weeks he was running and back at work as a completely new person.

He referrs to Terry Wahls' Tedx presentation. He says that presentation got him wanting to make a TED presentation himself.

He goes on to say that his idea was to do the first "Evolutionarily Directed" surgery. Nodoby would let him do this to someone else - inject bacteria and avoid anesthesia. The secret pathway tells us we have ultimate immunity.

He decided he had to "make" himself a surgical candidate. So, he had some sort of tummy tuck type surgery and "secretly" gained 25 lbs eating a SAD (PUFA + grains he says). It took 2 months to gain 25 lbs and nobody knew and he hid it.

On Jan 8th he told his wife about this. The next day he had surgery without anesthesia. Before the surgery he injected MRSA all over his torso (he says it's nasty stuff). He "woke up" and was in pain. His wife and daughter didn't know what was going on and even his son at the time of taping didn't know anything about this. His wife and daughter was ordered to get out a tub while he was sceaming and crying. He told her to get 120 lbs of ice from the freezer and in minutes the ice got rid of his pain. He even flaunted his incisions to his 11 year old daughter.

He avoided infection and never had pain.

He says that this proved to his that cold packs reduce pain. He decided that all these variables proved that this secret pathway exists in humans and that he should do this to his patients. Apparently an 80 year old patient he used diet and cold on recovered well from surgery and that it was remarkable.

He starts hiw wrapup saying that this clearly proves that the Paleo diet and CT are keys to human health.

His ending remark is that unconventional methods can lead to remarkable results that can help millions of people. He also says that the entire medical profession has lost its way and they need to use evolutionary biology.

*My takeaways:*

  1. The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari is not a true story. It is a fable. I have never read it, but the word fable is right in the title. I do not understand how a self-help, motivational fable proves that we are cold adapted mammals in any way.

  2. I think it's nice that Dr. Kruse took the time to read the books and papers his colleague gave him and learned all about leptin. It is also noteworthy that he successfully lost a tremendous amount of weight.

  3. Obesity as an inflammatory brain condition has been widely talked about. So that is surely noteworthy.

  4. I take some issue with how he presents the Wim Hof LPS injection experiment. He keeps saying that WIM "injected himself with bacteria." I watched the video about this here. Wim had LPS endotoxin injected, yes. But it was under the direction of a team of doctors, in a hospital setting, while having many biomarkers tracked, and on camera. There were obviously many cooperative and willing witnesses to this. I get the impression that Dr. Kruse is trying to compare his secret smearing and injection of MRSA on his torso to Wim's experiment. The two seem very different to me. Totally different bacteria. Wim's experiment had but one variable and Dr. Kruse's had...a lot. Dr. Kruse had no tests or measures to show that CT or the Paleo diet or whatever caused his body to fight off the MRSA without becoming infected. Also, I have read that nearly all hospital staff have MRSA anyway, so perhaps this was not the best bacteria to prove superhuman immunity in him? I dunno.

  5. He does not say exactly what the surgery he went in for was, but it sounds like a tummy tuck. This is pure speculation. Assuming it was a tummy tuck, I believe that the surgeons want you to get to your goal weight before the surgery. There is no requirement that you weigh a certain amount above it. The only place I've read that is in regards to bariatric surgery (gastric bypass). So, the point about gaining 25 lbs seems pointless as well. It is likely that after losing 157 lbs he would have been able to buy his tummy tuck without gaining weight.

  6. He says he did not have anesthesia, and he admits in the YouTube comments that he had general but not local. There's a lot of doublespeak going on.

  7. I see that other's think that Dr. Kruse is leading "by example" and that we need to heed his words or reap the consequences. I don't like the example he lays out about keeping so many secrets from his family and sharing his son's story and photos in front of a live audience and on YouTube without his consent. I don't like that he traumatized his wife and 11 year old daughter.

Perhaps it's all a fable?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 01, 2012
at 06:02 PM

This is like somebody telling you what happened in the tv show that you both just watched together. lol

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on May 02, 2012
at 01:30 AM

lb, it was not chronic weight-related knee pain, it was a sudden injury from doing pretty much nothing that was surprising.

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(19245)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:24 PM

What a tour de force Meredith! :)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:24 PM

A real tour de force Meredith! :)

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:32 AM

+1 Meridith, but my takeaway on the Monk book is that like many "fictional" pcs., it may very well be based on fact, but presented as fiction because it is just so incredible. And the fact that the book was sent to him along with the leptin papers indicates that others thought there was something unreal to it. Unfortunately, 20 minutes isn't lots of time and I probably would have come away from the talk confused if I hadn't read the CT series already.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:41 PM

No way that knee pain came from him weighing 350 lbs. Nope. No way, no how. Now if I'd only known that my knee problems when I weighed 350lbs were leptin-related.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on May 02, 2012
at 10:23 AM

Teriffic! Just remember: Ideation without execution leads to deletion.

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(16131)

on May 01, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Totally. I had to get it down because I just couldn't keep up with the "flow" of information or what the main topic even was. Since I got it down I thought I'd just put it here for anyone who wanted to skim rather than invest 19 minutes to watch.

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(4994)

on May 01, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Thanks Meredith. Really good perspective. I love the way you have summarised the talk, as reading it in this format, highlights exactly how ridiculous all this is. It's reads like the ramblings of someone in a bout of mania. I completely agree with your interpretation on the matters that you have provided after the summary too. I was horrified to hear what he put his 11 year old,little girl through. I just. Don't. Get it.

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(2861)

on May 01, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Endotoxin is dead but will still generate an immune system response just like living bacteria would. Wim was able to suppress his immune response so he did not get any of the normal body responses. He in fact *decreased* his resistance to infection by doing this (to demonstrate his control over his autonomic systems.) That is why endotoxin was used - no chance of developing a real infection. Wim was *not* demonstrating hyper immunity - he was demonstrating control of autonomic systems by turning much of his immunity *off*. Kruse is just mentally challenged. There is no nicer way to say it.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:27 PM

I'm going to be honest here. I have not watched it and I'm not going to. I am trying to focus on positives and watching stuff like I imagine this to be will likely put me in a bad place. I think we should all stop wasting our time on discussing him, it does no good. And all the negativity makes us look bad.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:53 PM

Evelyn, I think the problem is that for some reason whenever it is discussed here it ends up being a character attack on both sides - and nothing good ever comes of it. Those who chose to bathe in ice and stimulate their vagal nerves or inject themselves with drug resistent bacteria are NOT going to hear anything that is going to be said here. His followers do not give a crap what we think. This has been documented time and again - and I know you've seen it all on the other threads and blogs discussing the Doc.

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(5227)

on April 29, 2012
at 05:54 PM

I'm with Bree on this one. I have no desire to watch the video. What has been seen: it cannot be unseen. I do not need Kruse's broadcast image permanently emblazoned into my memory, tyvm.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 04:16 PM

I see where you're coming from. But if nobody speaks up, then the Jack Kruse keynote speakering and inclusion on discussion panels, etc. will continue unabated. His quackery may even dissuade some FROM trying the parts he has right -- e.g. there can be benefits of cold therapy correctly applied.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 07:51 PM

Bree, sorry you're being downvoted. That's not warranted. +1

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:59 PM

I think that he's been challeneged since he started posting on PH. I have no clue how he has obtained so much 'fame' I think a lot comes from the negative attention he receives here. He likes to be seen as a 'rebel with a cause' if you will - and we're buying into it. And so are his followers. I am happy to notice lately that all the people that I talk to in person re: paleo eating have never heard of him. And F*** I'm mad about all the downvotes I'm getting for my answer here - but I'm sticking by it - he will get no youtube views from me

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:54 PM

And I don't beleive that he has all that much credibilty. Not to me, and not to any of the wonderful people that I know and respect floating around the paleosphere.

Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

(1794)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:47 PM

It's not that bad.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 05:33 PM

By the negativity I mean the personal attacks made by both sides, I think it takes the credibility away somewhat. Disagreeing with the 'science' is one thing but name calling is something different.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 03:50 PM

Bree, do you consider negativity over, say, the doctors recommending healthy whole grains to make the PH community look bad? I think the problems with Jack's work are worthwhile to discuss so long as he's afforded credibility in the paleo community.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:44 PM

Bree I totally get your position and I think for some just staying out of it is the right thing to do. Dealing with this crap can be draining. I agree with Evelyn too though and think that he can't be allowed to go unchallenged. He went unchallenged for far too long and that's what got us (the paleo community) into this mess. He should have been nipped in the bud a year ago. But no, everyone (with any power) just pretending this disaster wasn't happening. Now the paleo community is being hijacked by a madman. "All that is necessary for crazy to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Indeed.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 05:16 PM

Don't feel bad about the votes. This is a hot button issue. I know for sure you are not alone in your thoughts. I think it's good to let people know that ignoring this guy may be the best option. I don't agree with you that the negativity makes us look bad. I think to sit back and say nothing makes us look far worse. I certainly understand how you feel and I think for you and others just ignoring him is the best way to deal. I do think someone needs to speak out though and I'm glad there seem to be many who want to do just that. A little late to the party IMO but glad they have shown up.

44739854bd06eb5c32af5d33aa866864

(859)

on May 01, 2012
at 02:01 PM

I actually don't think this answers the question at all, I mean, Bree didn't even take the time to watch the TEDx talk... you can't, in all honestly, knock something if you haven't at least watched/read/etc the thing/idea you're against. Therefore I downvoted, because I felt other answers were better... Apparently that means I get downvoted too, interesting...

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(12379)

on May 01, 2012
at 02:42 PM

@jjtitus. I have read JK's blog, and his comments on other blogs and I've listened to podcasts and interviews done by him as well as read a blow by blow when the TEDx was streaming live. So, I'm pretty up to speed on what was presented in the aforementioned video. Sorry you wasted a downvote point on me.

44739854bd06eb5c32af5d33aa866864

(859)

on May 01, 2012
at 02:06 PM

I actually don't think this answers the question at all, I mean, Bree didn't even take the time to watch the TEDx talk... you can't, in all honestly, knock something if you haven't at least watched/read/etc the thing/idea you're against. Therefore I downvoted, because I felt other answers were better...

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24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 04:02 PM

In answer to my own question, I'm going to expand on my comments above regarding the story he tells. I don't believe any of it to be true, but that's another story. Jack claims to have kept his family in the dark on this. Didn't tell his wife that he was going to intentionally damage his health (though temporarily) by eating SAD and gaining 25 lbs intentionally. (How one hides this from their wife?). But the surgery is more egregious.

He says he "woke up" -- so he was under general anesthesia just got no locals or post-op meds. Any time you go under anesthesia there are waivers and such to be signed. Do you not think a man should inform his wife that he's going under? Let's not mention how Mr. Optimized life would recklessly undergo intentional elective surgery. Don't know how he got to the surgery, but it appears his wife and daughter drove him home. And he was in pain and yelling at his wife to get the tub out of the closet and put it on the bed and then go get that ice. So having no clue with their husband/father in considerable pain his wife and daughter were put through needless trauma. On top of that he talks about showing his 11 year old his cuts and explains what he did.

All of this is bad enough if you don't add in the INSANE injecting himself with MRSA. As has been pointed out elsewhere, MRSA is no worse than other staph bacteria in terms of infection, only that it is resistant to antibiotics should infection take hold. So even if he resisted it, this would have endangered countless lives, not the least of which his wife and children.

Again, I don't believe a word of this other than Jack likes to lie around in ice baths and numb himself up. But either he's a horrible man willing to abuse his family for some sort of fame and glory, or he's a freakin' liar and needs to be called on it like every other con artist should be. I know which one I think.

Oh ... and he needs one size bigger clothes ;D

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 07:52 PM

BTW +10000000000000 for tighty tightness twinkletoes!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 06:22 PM

OMG. Well first of all they cut out his introduction. They cut the damn intro! Know why? Because the guy introduced him as crazy. No seriously. He was introduced as a crazy man by the emcee. I can't believe they cut that out! It was perfect really. Damn them. Second of all no kidding on the clothes. The original was VERY dark so you really couldn't see him well. Wow, tighty tightness twinkletoes. Jack either needs a new tailor (or a tailor period I'm thinking) or a new plastic surgeon who knows how to really suck stuff out. He's probably lying about everything. Wouldn't be surprised.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 07:49 PM

That's too bad they cut the intro, thanks for letting us know. He says he gained 25 lbs and the surgery only took 2 lb. This was almost 2 months post op yet I read on FB after this how he was still talking about being bloated. Everyone heals differently, but I've seen folks' diaries of tummy tuck and he's certainly not healed faster that's for sure. I think if he got surgery at all it was because he rebounded in weight when he was getting popular and needed a reason to explain the scars should someone see them on the LC cruise. Yes folks, pure speculation. We're all entitled to that ;-)

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on April 29, 2012
at 08:55 PM

I watched it yesterday but I knew going in that it was going to be a train wreck as I had read/heard about it for weeks already. Was I impressed/shocked/dismayed? No, none of the above, but I can say that at least for whatever it's worth, his speech was far more understandable than his blog tends to be. I think there's something to the cold thermogenesis concept and I definitely think there's something to eating paleo for better health but I don't think the surgery/MRSA injections helped his cause any and, in fact, probably caused a lot of people to tune out and write him off completely.

As others have mentioned elsewhere on this site, I worry that he's going to lose his license to practice medicine by publicly announcing the MRSA portion of his experiment. It just doesn't seem wise for a doctor to use himself (not to mention his family) in such a blatantly unorthodox way.

I wish him the best and I think there may be something to some of his theories but I don't think he's going about things the way a professional should.

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571e631577f6d001c79049ab79280ef2

(150)

on April 29, 2012
at 08:43 PM

I'm really glad you are talking about this guy, cos as a newcomer the stuff he says is pretty confusing! He says that paleo made him look fit, but he was still suffering from imflammation, and that if we don't all take high level magnesium supplements and sit in freezing cold baths then, however 'ripped' paleo makes us look, we could still fall down dead of heart attacks at any time. Plus, looking at the video, I could not get why his 'wheat belly' came back if he was still following paleo.

At least, that's what I managed to get from his very rambling talks and page - I don't really understand WHAT he's saying most of the time. That kind of stuff could (a) make paleo sound way more complicated than it is (I find it fairly straightforward actually), and (b) make people worried that paleo is simply a cosmetic thing for people who want to look good rather than feel good / be healthy / live long.

All in all, I decided that what he was saying could not be right (or was too complicated for me to understand!). I have been listening to 'conventional health wisdom' all my life, in the form of doctors, media, etc, and I never felt well. Paleo makes me feel GOOD, and that's enough for me!

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:26 AM

He looked much different last year before he gained the weight. The weight increase was evident from photos he posted. Helz, I hope his style doesn't put you off so much that you quit reading everything.

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(12379)

on May 01, 2012
at 02:57 PM

I love your answer Helz - And welcome to the resistance ;)

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Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on April 29, 2012
at 03:44 PM

I found his talk disorganized and with poor use of slides. He would really benefit from public speaking lessons. He just doesn't have any reality distortion field natively, so he needs to work on the charisma.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on May 01, 2012
at 06:01 PM

The key issue is whether or not the leptin-melanocortin pathway works as he says it does. Cold thermogenisis, the paleo diet, ketosis, the use of cold with surgery- practically everything he supports is not his own. They all are, however, acceptable protocols that have brought good results to many people, so you haters aren't really doing anything but engaging in personal attacks.

Of course, I don't see why the surgery on himself particularly proves anything, unless he just felt he had to know what he was about to put his patients through.

To a large extent Kruse seems to be trying to figure out how to promote a message on the internet. TedX wanted edgy, crazy even. They like stories, want the personal. For a while now I've notice most TED talks have very little actual content.
I wish he would have stood up there and traced out the pathway. This stuff is complicated- I just ran into a part of it while reading a book called the Honey Revolution, and realized in the process that Kruse could be right about NPY if carbs are low. The likelihood that there is a study performed under those conditions is virtually nil.

So, Kruse goes there and tells stories. I like Tyler Cowen's TED talk, where he admonishes the TED conference goers about the dangers of telling each other a bunch of stories. Am I going to get really upset with a neurosurgeon about stories? No. It is very obvious he spends most of his time thinking about other things. He assumes the stories are what will get his message out. I will save my ire for the story professionals. Meanwhile, I much rather see some constructive criticism on the proposed pathway rather than Kruse's style.

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Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on May 01, 2012
at 12:20 AM

I'm biased against Kruse and I can't be fair. Full disclosure up front.

That said, I did NOT like that video.

what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-jack-kruse/quilt-tedx-nashville-talk?

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D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:40 PM

I watched it, I agree with GurlzLuvSteak, it could have used a great deal of editorial focusing. Could have been shortened to 1/3 as long and kept the important reveals and trimmed the WTFery antics out (MRSA!?).

Still, I'm even more interested now in finding someone with communication skills as presenting a good introduction on how to implement cold adapting strategies. Much like Mark Sisson has done in the past couple weeks in his multipart Intermittent Fasting posts. Until that day, I'll keep my eyes and ears out for someone ELSE to bring the goods on cold.

I am offering a tip of the hat to him for getting it on my radar though.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

(2056)

on April 30, 2012
at 12:29 AM

Check out what Ray Cronise has to say about cold. I

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91ae7d4ce6232682aeaa5de99eed3d49

(140)

on May 01, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Injecting oneself with toxic substances isn't unprecedented. Dr. Barry Marshall injected himself with bacteria to prove that ulcers are caused by bacteria when current wisdom believed they were caused by stress. Sure enough, he developed ulcers. Then he took antibiotics to heal himself. Won the Nobel prize in 2005, along with J. Robin Warren for this work.

Like the man or hate the man, who cares. Judge him on his work, not his style. He's not making the Paleo community toxic. Those who spend their time gossiping about him are taking care of that nicely.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on May 02, 2012
at 11:28 AM

So he purposely got an infection for which there was a known cure. This is a far cry from MRSA, that can be deadly, and resistant to antibiotics so if it hadn't worked, his family would be left without a husband and father. Nevermind all the others he endangered. Eh, but I don't believe it anyway.

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F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on May 01, 2012
at 05:26 PM

I haven't seen it, so I'm not commenting on the video. But as I read this thread it struck me - how would any of use have reacted 30 years ago if someone said they had just injected botulism into their face?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:34 AM

ha ha, we wouldn't see a reaction at all ;=) Actually, physicians and researchers have a long history of testing things on themselves.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 01, 2012
at 06:03 PM

I was 21. I wouldn't have cared. lol.

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F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:29 PM

I know almost nothing about Dr. Kruse's recommendations, but I don't why he should be treated any differently than anyone else.

There is either credible evidence to support his claims or there isn't, and whether or not that evidence exists is a useful topic for discussion.

Speculating about his credibility, or passing judgement on his relationship with his family, is nothing more than gossip.

F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:53 PM

Unless you were there at the time or have a credible witness, everything you say is speculation. In any case, his relationship with his family has no bearing on the truth or falsehood of his assertions, and no bearing on the efficacy of his recommended treatments.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 04:37 PM

I'm not speculating on his relationship with his family. I think his claimed actions put his credibility as a medical professional in question, however. I suppose one shouldn't care how big a prick someone is to his family if he's out to save the world, eh?

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 05:40 PM

Thanks Shari ... Sam, you're not getting it. When you hear his story does it ring true to you? He spun the tale including his family. This, to me, detracts from the credibility of his story (MRSA aside), because it defies logic that such a "nice guy" would put his family through this. If that doesn't make sense to you, so be it. I have a zillion reasons to call this guy a quack based on his so-called "science", but since the topic of this speech was of a more personal story nature, I commented on that.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 05:09 PM

But Sam Jack is WELL KNOWN to just make stuff up. He's done this for YEARS. And dear Jack is the one that chose to drag his family into this which I find disgusting and abhorrent. Using your children in this way? It just goes to his character or lack of character IMO. Once he did that though it's fair game. He's the asshole not Evelyn.

F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on April 29, 2012
at 06:12 PM

I don't know his story, but even if I did, I wouldn't make a judement based on whether I thought it "rang true". If Dr. Kruse's credibility is suspect, then there's no more reason to believe that he would lie about one thing than another. You appear to believe he's telling the truth when he claims to have done something that discredits him, but lying when he claims to have done something that doesn't.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 09:37 PM

Just to be clear Sam, I don't believe a word of this "epic hack". I don't think a surgeon would do the surgery knowing the full details. I don't believe he had surgery and just had his wife & daughter bring him home or he showed up home asking for the ice. I don't believe he injected MRSA. I don't believe he spends hours on end in ice water. He's offered no proof so ALL details must be considered. Make sense? FWIW, I don't believe his story of riding the subway to the museum alone as a kid in NYC. That is not consistent with my knowledge of NYC same museum same era. Period.

Dae0cbb14c23584a2abac7865babe10a

(5)

on April 30, 2012
at 12:50 AM

..So are you saying that TED, being so well known, have got taken in by a fraudster and have put their reputation on stake?

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 30, 2012
at 12:34 PM

The "x" is independently organized event. Since Jimmy Moore posted an appeal on Jack's behalf not all that far in advance of the conference, I get the feeling they were filling a last minute slot? Dunno.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on May 01, 2012
at 04:04 AM

Credibility IS assessed subjectively and it's perfectly acceptable to evaluate his credibility here.

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6258fbc4855d3bdc09e414c9492ae416

(102)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:12 PM

I loved it!!!!!!!

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:38 AM

I was a bit disappointed in the lecture, since I had been following the blog for awhile, and many topics are explained in more detail (for people who want to slog through it and ignore the typos). I wish he had a publicist, or someone who could help him condense his story into that time frame. At first I was shocked at the MRSA story, but then remembered that many other pioneers had done the same thing.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 02, 2012
at 01:39 AM

I also wanted the talk to be about factor X

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on May 02, 2012
at 11:29 AM

Factor X to be discussed on LC Cruise! Or not .... Be patient, soon he will reveal all!

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on May 05, 2012
at 04:24 AM

ha ha!!!!!!!.................

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2e5dc29c61f97d335ffb990508424719

on April 29, 2012
at 03:39 PM

He leads by example. You ignore him at your own detriment.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2012
at 03:48 PM

Perfect example of the hyperbole that surrounds Dr. Kruse. "You ignore him at your own detriment" really? Is he that original? Can I not glean all of what he says from others?

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on April 29, 2012
at 03:47 PM

I'll not treat my family like he claims to have treated his any time soon. Nor do I plan to experiment on myself by deliberately damaging my health to gain weight so I can undergo unnecessary surgery, that always carries risks, inject myself with MRSA and endanger everyone around me.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:37 PM

LOL!!!! Have you shot yourself up with MRSA yet John? Make sure to take pics or video when you do. Pics or it didn't happen.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on April 29, 2012
at 11:21 PM

John, aren't you the long-time friend of Kruse who went to dental school with him?

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

(2437)

on April 30, 2012
at 01:40 AM

Evelyn, where does he say that you should do this?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on May 01, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Follow by example. Hmmmm... sounds like a cult to me. I'll pass. I'll follow the peer-reviewed science. But thanks.

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C10a15001955595c039e0803de2213c0

on April 29, 2012
at 03:25 PM

Extremely entertaining! Reminds me of Disneyland after Dark! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEe2_wr6TQ4&feature=related

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 04:38 PM

Video not available in my country. Boo :(

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on December 09, 2013
at 02:40 AM

Troll [edit by Matt11]

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on April 26, 2013
at 09:23 PM

I know Jack and his family very well. I have been to his home many times and he to mine. Our families have traveled together. We have worked together for 13 years. He is (by his own admission) very polarizing and controversial. He is not trying to change individual thinking, but trying to change the world. Some of his claims may pan out to be untrue, but this is the scientific method. All great scientists have theories that pan out to be untrue. Thomas Edison proposed that we run DC current to individual homes. That would never have worked. This is how we learn.

I can attest that he does indeed practice CT daily and follows his diet plan very religiously. I saw his transformation first hand from obese to fit. He is a healthcare professional, a dentist, and a neurosurgeon trained at some top institutions. He is a fine Neruosurgeon and actually did surg. on my mother. Very little of what he says is a lie. He is known for hyperbolization at times, but his message is real and should be considered.

As for his wardrobe, we tease him all the time about it. I was once with him when a friend said to him, "I like your jeans, Jack. Too bad they don't come in men's versions". So the clothing jokes are not new to him.

It is unclear to me why he writes incoherently at times? I think he is just so eager to share his knowledge, he posts things without first reading them. I think he should be given a little slack with the personal criticisms--he really is a great guy.

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on July 20, 2015
at 01:22 PM

Thanks, that's useful first hand account.

I find that if you truly understand, as Dr Kruse does, that without healthy mitochondria and working hormonal systems you will never be healthy as nature intended then everything he says has the potential to make sense. Some of it is hypothesis but science is creeping up on some of these ideas. 

If you live in a cold climate and actually get shivering cold sometimes you will certainly get leaner. I find a 10 min cold bath in the morning  (to shivering point) is tremendously helpful for energy and focus for a good few hours. I look forward to them.

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