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"Dr. Jack Kruse for Dummies"

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 06, 2013 at 8:31 PM

I really do not enjoy thinking of myself as too dumb for paleo, but after several feeble attempts at scouring the site for a better understanding of "epigenetics" or "epipaleo(?)," I just keep ending up getting confused by all the scientific jargon.

Judging by his credentials he seems to be a very smart guy, and I'd gladly pay for more information from him, but I'd like to at least get a basic understanding of the science for those of us who don't have PHDs in neuroscience.

Is there a useful forum or starter kit that you know that has some of his work written in a more accessable format? Or, for those of you experts, would you mind helping a fellow curious mind out?

To me his site seems like it sets out to be the ultimate health hack, and a few of the necessary components are cold showers, high protein breakfast, and paleo with an emphasis on seafood?

What ever happened to "paleo- so easy a caveman could do it?" Would you mind helping deciphering some of his key points for me?

Sorry for the trouble but thanks for the help.

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on April 11, 2013
at 09:31 PM

I like it. It's succinct. Stand back and enjoy the fireworks show, and if you can take away something useful by all means do. But don't try to understand how he dazzled you, or you'll be put in your place. Dummies that play with the fireworks get burned.

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on January 28, 2013
at 08:28 PM

I felt like I graduated from Quilt U. I took away a lot of good advice, but just don't fit the mold of the rest of the people on his website: metabolic disasters, hormone-driven problems, obese, etc... My optic is now living a long, healthy life. I eat lots of fish, get cold, sleep dark and am mindful of seasons. Don't need to log on to a forum every day to do those things.

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on January 26, 2013
at 05:24 PM

True. But you also can find a 5 hour video of Dr. Wahl's presentation on youtube and Kresser has hours and hours of podcasts. And they are way more comprehensible in terms of simple steps.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:57 PM

can you share why you are no longer a Kruse-ite?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 26, 2013
at 04:57 PM

+1 comment.....

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 26, 2013
at 04:55 PM

+1 answer, but to add that premium membership also allows you to ask questions on the "ask Jack" forum. You aren't guaranteed an answer. In addition, many websites also charge for their information. Dr. Wahl's has a wildly expensive book, DeVaney and Kresser also use paywalls.

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on January 26, 2013
at 04:52 PM

+1 I found this answer helpful

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on January 15, 2013
at 10:31 PM

Not at all. What I'm saying is that we ate more carbs in Africa and that it was relatively recent. Most of us are not the direct children of HG's, rather some ratio of agriculture+HG blood. The seasonal fructose thing is BS and counterproductive for the majority of us. Today Homo Sapien Sapiens at the equator and on islands eat some ratio of plants (tubers/veg) and meat with some fruit (its pretty much always around, they just prefer the former). Fructose gorging to make it through the winter is BS.

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on January 07, 2013
at 11:29 PM

Also I just found this FAQ you might like. I didn't know jack kruse supported HIIT before just reading this. That gives him a +1 in my book since I think HIIT is the truth. http://www.jackkruse.com/the-leptin-rx-faqs/

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:32 PM

with him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 08:31 PM

with him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff. correction:

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:31 PM

Thanks Alligator, I'm glad it helped. Jack Kruse has seemingly had a steep falling off with the general paleo community. Probably because he can be a bit of a pompous know it all. I still think he has some valid points though, and I appreciate the angle he attacks health from. Specifically circadian biology, brain/gut health, seafood (I support the aquatic ape theory so this makes since). I was doing cold showers before I ran across his work because of possible hormetic benefits, and he seems to think it has to do with some sort of 'ancient pathway'. So I definitely have some differences

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:30 PM

him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff. correction: *pompous know it all*

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:27 PM

him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 08:26 PM

Thanks Alligator, I'm glad it helped. Jack Kruse has seemingly had a steep falling off with the general paleo community. Probably because he can be a bit of a pampas know it all. I still think he has some valid points though, and I appreciate the angle he attacks health from. Specifically circadian biology, brain/gut health, seafood (I support the aquatic ape theory so this makes since). I was doing cold showers before I ran across his work because of possible hormetic benefits, and he seems to think it has to do with some sort of 'ancient pathway'. So I definitely have some differences with

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:08 PM

Thanks Stephen. Not sure what all the controversy is over, but I found this answer helpful.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:06 PM

Just the kind of answer I was looking for. Thanks, VB.

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on January 07, 2013
at 07:26 PM

+1 for being a solid explanation/critique.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on January 07, 2013
at 07:16 PM

This seems like you're assuming we ate MORE carbs as we left Africa, but actually, I bet it's the opposite. The African Savannah has plenty of wild tubers, honey, and yes, even fruit (baobab comes to mind).

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 07:15 PM

I'm glad you seem to have some sort of basis for your discrediting of a paleo figure. Maybe next time if a person asks for an easy to read version of Jack's findings you can point them in the direction of the articles that do said critiquing instead of simply posting "there's no 'jack kruse for smart people,' only 'jack kruse for dummies.' don't waste your time with his stuff.".

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on January 07, 2013
at 06:59 PM

arguing for why jack kruse is ridiculous has been done really, really well by others, including melissa mcewen, evelyn at carbsane, and even richard nikoley. i'm not here to rehash that here; seems a few people agree with me. you're mostly here to talk about your alpha msh thing, which, since it doesn't even have to do with jack kruse, turns out to be a giant red herring. this thread is officially too long. i'm out.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 06:31 PM

after accidents: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/sports/football/16everett.html?_r=0

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 06:31 PM

I didn't say this was cutting edge, your putting words in my mouth. Most Palaeolithic people would have been naturally exposed to the cold environment during the winter just like they would be exposed to uva/uvb rays in the summer. Everyone finds it easy to accept that sunlight and vitamin D are fantastic but there's so much resistance to cold therapy, what's the deal here. We have a huge segment of the population suffering from chronic inflammation and ice is THE essence of anti-inflammatory. This is why you put it on your ankle after you sprain it, or why doctors treat nfl players with cold

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on January 07, 2013
at 06:28 PM

I sense some pec-envy going on here.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 07, 2013
at 06:28 PM

I sense some pec-envey going on here.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 06:26 PM

Tell me Jake, do you think there are health benefits to doing things like HIIT, or resistance training? Both of those can be equally taxing on the body and suck in the short term. Are you familiar with Todd Becker of gettingstronger.org? I'm not trying to say Jack Kruse is some genius with awesome new approaches, but you can't just get on here and say he's a quack without saying why and expect to be taken seriously. Not to mention somehow you have the best answer so far at +3 without even answering this guy's question or providing an easy to read Jack Kruse article of any kind.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 07, 2013
at 06:24 PM

Who the f*** is downvoting this? This totally answers the OPs question better than the current top-rated answer (which should have been more appropriately written as a comment in the first place).

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on January 07, 2013
at 04:14 PM

i'm just trying to get by with my "sub par life where mediocracy is the new awesome." good luck with your cutting edge approach to everything.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 12:57 PM

And look bro, you don't care about it for Whatever reason, that's your choice, but when you say my shits boring and put me/my opinion down don't for two seconds expect me to lay down and take it.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 12:56 PM

@mscott http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15584930 . And as I said kruse doesn't make the connection to teeth. Alpha msh effects the body in many ways and UVB rays or cold temperatures are the only 2 natural ways I've found in the literature to increase it. @jake, the ones without exposure to cold that price discovered were in warmer climates, no? As I said UVB rays also raise alpha msh (sunlight). Cold therapy would then be more important in the absence of sunlight, ie, winter months.

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on January 07, 2013
at 04:43 AM

Stephen, I just looked for studies showing cold exposure increases alpha-MSH and found none. Though even if it did that wouldn't mean you could expect the effects of increasing bodily production of a-MSH to be the same as topically applying that hormone to your teeth. Extrapolating health effects solely from speculated mechanisms is a problematic practice and Kruse's excessive propensity for doing so is why I avoid reading his work.

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on January 07, 2013
at 03:11 AM

stephen... this whole thing was actually about you getting to lord over the rest of us something that *you've* discovered, something that not even kruse is on to it yet. the secret lies with you! weston price found people living in all sorts of climates (some without cold exposure! oh no!) without dental carries, an in good health. despite the alpha msh secret decoder ring. pardon me for assuming you were passing on jack kruse wisdom, when in fact this was your own. how careless of me. YAWN.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 02:17 AM

Thanks Luckie, I just paleohacks'stalked you and +1ed like 3 of your past answers I agree with, lol.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 02:06 AM

The link to the study is here: http://news.discovery.com/tech/tooth-regeneration-gel.html , but there are a bunch on CBC, msnbc, a bunch of different people covered this back in 2010 when the study first came out. They're continuing testing and don't expect a market version before 2015 I think.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 02:04 AM

Dental caries are the most widespread disease to hit mankind possibly in our history affecting over 97 percent of the population. A gel whose only active ingredient is alpha msh regrows teeth, completely reversing dental caries in infected teeth with a seeming 100% success rate. UVB rays increase alpha msh production. Cold temperatures increase alpha msh production. When somebody just says yawn.. This is boring and completely writes it off they are not only doing themselves a disservice, they are doing the community a disservice and if I didn't say something I'd feel like an asshat.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on January 07, 2013
at 02:04 AM

+1 for balance. I haven't read much of Kruse's stuff myself, but from what I do know of his work, this is a reasonable synopsis and it is posted in a reasonable manner.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on January 07, 2013
at 02:02 AM

Okay, fair enough. :)

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 01:59 AM

Luckie, I don't care what Jake's tipping point is. What I care about is Jake telling a fellow paleohacker that Jack Kruse's paleo hacks are a waste of time and discrediting a guy on the basis of 'he doesn't care'. This forum is pretty much made for people who come up with paleo hacks and to smear somebody without providing any scientific basis because you don't care is not conducive of a successful thriving paleohacks. Then he tells me he doesn't care about shit I've found on my own about cold therapy affecting alpha-msh, he says jack kruse said it and that it's boring.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 01:52 AM

Okay, whoever downvoted this could you explain why you downvoted the answer that answered alligator's question of "Would you mind helping deciphering some of his key points for me"? Did you downvote this because you don't feel I addressed his question properly or..?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on January 07, 2013
at 12:48 AM

Is everything you do what you believe to be 100% the bestest, most optimal thing out there? Your food, your exercise, your sleep cycle, your grooming products and regimen, no mediocrity anywhere...? Everyone has their tipping point of where it is worth it, and where it is too far. Why is "freezing cold shower" a bad tipping point?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 11:21 PM

And my sister said that if it involves eating animal products then she's willing to accept the health effects of not eating said food. Y'all should get together for a critical thinking 101 class I think they cover straw man fallacy there, among other things.

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on January 06, 2013
at 11:13 PM

If it involves jumping into cold-as-fuck water, I'm willing to accept the negative health effects of not jumping into said water.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 10:46 PM

Cool story brah, have fun in your sub par life where mediocracy is the new awesome. If you get bored maybe you can join up with the poeple who try to go above and beyond; maybe not.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 10:45 PM

No worries .

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on January 06, 2013
at 10:26 PM

assuming alpha-msh production in winter months actually means something, i don't care. that sounds like a heaping load of bullcrap, and your 'do you have any idea' approach is neither intriguing nor intimidating. i do just fine during winter, as do most people, without this secret knowledge. in fact, this is a prime example of what i hate about jack kruse. the insistence that without knowledge of things like 'alpha-msh production in winter months' we're just completely fucking up. BORING.

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on January 06, 2013
at 10:25 PM

Srry my understanding was Kruse was a moron like primal toad

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 06, 2013
at 09:13 PM

This *

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 06, 2013
at 09:12 PM

He's asking more about epi-paleo here. It's kruse's version of paleo.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 06, 2013
at 09:12 PM

I disagree with this. Do you have any idea how cold therapy changes alpha-msh production and why Thais would be important in winter months?

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

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on January 06, 2013
at 09:03 PM

don't judge by his credentials. read it and tell me if it makes any sense, and doesn't butcher grammar and english.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on January 06, 2013
at 08:58 PM

If he wanted you to understand it, he would explain it properly.

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on January 06, 2013
at 08:45 PM

Epipaleo seems to revolved around brain health mostly. A lot of theory, not a lot of actual academic support/trials/case studies.

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61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on January 07, 2013
at 07:22 PM

I was a Kruse-ite for a while. His specialty is sick and broken metabolisms, to get the most from him, you will have to pay him to be your doctor. He offers on-line services/consults, etc... He has helped many, but you can't just take what he puts out there on the public part of his site and think you can use it to fix yourself.

Some universal truths I have gleaned from reading his site are: - Eat lots of fish - Get cold seasonally - Be mindful of circadian rythms - Let your blood labs be your guide - Get a doctor involved if you have serious metabolic issues

Kruse is a madman when it comes to spreading his word...he is un-tireable and is going in 15 directions at once. It's easy to take his advice out of context. He has a great website with a free section and several levels of pay sections. His forum is populated with some very forward thinkers. Give them a try.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 26, 2013
at 04:57 PM

+1 comment.....

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 26, 2013
at 04:57 PM

can you share why you are no longer a Kruse-ite?

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

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on January 28, 2013
at 08:28 PM

I felt like I graduated from Quilt U. I took away a lot of good advice, but just don't fit the mold of the rest of the people on his website: metabolic disasters, hormone-driven problems, obese, etc... My optic is now living a long, healthy life. I eat lots of fish, get cold, sleep dark and am mindful of seasons. Don't need to log on to a forum every day to do those things.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on January 07, 2013
at 06:06 PM

I cannot say I am Jack Kruze's fan, but I can share some of my thoughts with you, if you don't mind :)

There are many things that he says that just totally make sense. Basically, 99% of the things he says make total sense. Not using artificial light, eating more fish than meat, eating according to your circadian rhythm. Basically, I totally agree with him on circadian rhythms, but he needs to think about people's lives. We are not living in a vacuum, you know.

His story is impressive, although how do we know that he did not loose weigh just by going lower carb? If he kept his carbs less than 50 g per day - he would have lost the weight no matter what.

I disagree with him on a number of issues. First, he allows eating all kind of junk like sausages. How does he know that they are naturally fermented?

Low-carb diet is wonderful for people with deranged metabolism, but it should not be used in a long run and can backfire for insulin sensitive people.

Also, he gets mixed up at times. I found two discrepancies on his websites. He says that once you have achieved leptin re-set, you should have carbs for breakfast and protein for dinner - which totally makes sense. Yet he always talks about having protein only for breakfast which is only the beginning of a journey. It is not all that black and white.

Also, he addresses Gut-brain axis in a less professional manner. Gut dysbiosis, SIBO, leaky gut - it is very poorly explained and the ends are loose. Even though I am not a GAPS fan, GAPS makes more sense (scientifically) that this whole leptin reset theory. I would love to buy into leptin reset - it is so easy. However, I know now that most overweight people have different bacteria residing in their guts, compared to thin people.

For example, how does his leptin reset works for people with SIBO who have sugar cravings due to their bacterial overgrowth? You cannot just ignore so many different GI diseases that lead to being overweight. It is not all about high carb, leptin, whatever. Some babies become obese at the ripe age of 6 months. Don't tell me they have too many carbs or their leptin levels are out of whack.

Last, but not least - his website with gold, silver and whatever membership almost sounds like Amway distributers. And if you sign up for .... you get to ask the guru one question per month. Or even two. Of course, nothing in the world is free, but compared to other websites, people actually explain the whole procedure to you FOR FREE. You don't have to sigh up in order to do GAPS. And what can he offer that others don't? Weight loss procedure?

Maybe I am too critical because again he does have many helpful articles on his blog. And I have to admit - his ideas are quite brilliant. However, he offers very little help to those of us with impaired gut motility and GI disorders.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 07:26 PM

+1 for being a solid explanation/critique.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:06 PM

Just the kind of answer I was looking for. Thanks, VB.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on January 26, 2013
at 05:24 PM

True. But you also can find a 5 hour video of Dr. Wahl's presentation on youtube and Kresser has hours and hours of podcasts. And they are way more comprehensible in terms of simple steps.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 26, 2013
at 04:55 PM

+1 answer, but to add that premium membership also allows you to ask questions on the "ask Jack" forum. You aren't guaranteed an answer. In addition, many websites also charge for their information. Dr. Wahl's has a wildly expensive book, DeVaney and Kresser also use paywalls.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 06, 2013
at 09:07 PM

Okay, it really is pretty simple. It's like living and eating seasonally ancestrally. Follow light cycles, don't stay up late on the computer. Eat seafood, oysters are fantastic for your hormones. Take cold showers. In the winter we used to actually get cold, you know. As far as I know he's fine with carbs in spring and summer months.

To me his site seems like it sets out to be the ultimate health hack, and a few of the necessary components are cold showers, high protein breakfast, and paleo with an emphasis on seafood?

That's pretty much it, he gives a lot more details, but that's the gist of it.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on January 07, 2013
at 02:04 AM

+1 for balance. I haven't read much of Kruse's stuff myself, but from what I do know of his work, this is a reasonable synopsis and it is posted in a reasonable manner.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:08 PM

Thanks Stephen. Not sure what all the controversy is over, but I found this answer helpful.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:26 PM

Thanks Alligator, I'm glad it helped. Jack Kruse has seemingly had a steep falling off with the general paleo community. Probably because he can be a bit of a pampas know it all. I still think he has some valid points though, and I appreciate the angle he attacks health from. Specifically circadian biology, brain/gut health, seafood (I support the aquatic ape theory so this makes since). I was doing cold showers before I ran across his work because of possible hormetic benefits, and he seems to think it has to do with some sort of 'ancient pathway'. So I definitely have some differences with

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 02:17 AM

Thanks Luckie, I just paleohacks'stalked you and +1ed like 3 of your past answers I agree with, lol.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 07, 2013
at 06:24 PM

Who the f*** is downvoting this? This totally answers the OPs question better than the current top-rated answer (which should have been more appropriately written as a comment in the first place).

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 08:27 PM

him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 08:31 PM

with him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff. correction:

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 01:52 AM

Okay, whoever downvoted this could you explain why you downvoted the answer that answered alligator's question of "Would you mind helping deciphering some of his key points for me"? Did you downvote this because you don't feel I addressed his question properly or..?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on January 07, 2013
at 08:32 PM

with him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 11:29 PM

Also I just found this FAQ you might like. I didn't know jack kruse supported HIIT before just reading this. That gives him a +1 in my book since I think HIIT is the truth. http://www.jackkruse.com/the-leptin-rx-faqs/

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 08:31 PM

Thanks Alligator, I'm glad it helped. Jack Kruse has seemingly had a steep falling off with the general paleo community. Probably because he can be a bit of a pompous know it all. I still think he has some valid points though, and I appreciate the angle he attacks health from. Specifically circadian biology, brain/gut health, seafood (I support the aquatic ape theory so this makes since). I was doing cold showers before I ran across his work because of possible hormetic benefits, and he seems to think it has to do with some sort of 'ancient pathway'. So I definitely have some differences

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 08:30 PM

him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff. correction: *pompous know it all*

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on January 26, 2013
at 04:52 PM

+1 I found this answer helpful

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C8a5c6d2804326646bb274e491f7f21b

on January 07, 2013
at 07:10 PM

Homo Sapien Sapiens left Africa relatively recently and so to eat extremely based on the seasons away from the equator is not natural for most. This is something Kruse (ex. seasonal carbs) and Sisson (ex. Fructose gorging in Autumn) need to think about. Some paleos dial back the carbs a little during winter but I doubt anyone is sleeping outside and in deep ketosis 24/7 during those months (Homo Sapien Sapiens don't hibernate).

I do like that Kruse emphasizes alot of offal and seafood.

Cold Showers can be hormetic to a healthy person just like fasting, anti-oxidants, etc...

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(1782)

on January 07, 2013
at 07:16 PM

This seems like you're assuming we ate MORE carbs as we left Africa, but actually, I bet it's the opposite. The African Savannah has plenty of wild tubers, honey, and yes, even fruit (baobab comes to mind).

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(534)

on January 15, 2013
at 10:31 PM

Not at all. What I'm saying is that we ate more carbs in Africa and that it was relatively recent. Most of us are not the direct children of HG's, rather some ratio of agriculture+HG blood. The seasonal fructose thing is BS and counterproductive for the majority of us. Today Homo Sapien Sapiens at the equator and on islands eat some ratio of plants (tubers/veg) and meat with some fruit (its pretty much always around, they just prefer the former). Fructose gorging to make it through the winter is BS.

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on January 06, 2013
at 09:04 PM

there's no "jack kruse for smart people," only "jack kruse for dummies."

don't waste your time with his stuff.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 09:13 PM

This *

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(10480)

on January 07, 2013
at 02:02 AM

Okay, fair enough. :)

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on January 07, 2013
at 06:28 PM

I sense some pec-envy going on here.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on January 07, 2013
at 12:48 AM

Is everything you do what you believe to be 100% the bestest, most optimal thing out there? Your food, your exercise, your sleep cycle, your grooming products and regimen, no mediocrity anywhere...? Everyone has their tipping point of where it is worth it, and where it is too far. Why is "freezing cold shower" a bad tipping point?

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(2668)

on January 07, 2013
at 06:59 PM

arguing for why jack kruse is ridiculous has been done really, really well by others, including melissa mcewen, evelyn at carbsane, and even richard nikoley. i'm not here to rehash that here; seems a few people agree with me. you're mostly here to talk about your alpha msh thing, which, since it doesn't even have to do with jack kruse, turns out to be a giant red herring. this thread is officially too long. i'm out.

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(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 11:21 PM

And my sister said that if it involves eating animal products then she's willing to accept the health effects of not eating said food. Y'all should get together for a critical thinking 101 class I think they cover straw man fallacy there, among other things.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 02:04 AM

Dental caries are the most widespread disease to hit mankind possibly in our history affecting over 97 percent of the population. A gel whose only active ingredient is alpha msh regrows teeth, completely reversing dental caries in infected teeth with a seeming 100% success rate. UVB rays increase alpha msh production. Cold temperatures increase alpha msh production. When somebody just says yawn.. This is boring and completely writes it off they are not only doing themselves a disservice, they are doing the community a disservice and if I didn't say something I'd feel like an asshat.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 12:57 PM

And look bro, you don't care about it for Whatever reason, that's your choice, but when you say my shits boring and put me/my opinion down don't for two seconds expect me to lay down and take it.

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(2919)

on January 06, 2013
at 11:13 PM

If it involves jumping into cold-as-fuck water, I'm willing to accept the negative health effects of not jumping into said water.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 02:06 AM

The link to the study is here: http://news.discovery.com/tech/tooth-regeneration-gel.html , but there are a bunch on CBC, msnbc, a bunch of different people covered this back in 2010 when the study first came out. They're continuing testing and don't expect a market version before 2015 I think.

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(2668)

on January 06, 2013
at 10:26 PM

assuming alpha-msh production in winter months actually means something, i don't care. that sounds like a heaping load of bullcrap, and your 'do you have any idea' approach is neither intriguing nor intimidating. i do just fine during winter, as do most people, without this secret knowledge. in fact, this is a prime example of what i hate about jack kruse. the insistence that without knowledge of things like 'alpha-msh production in winter months' we're just completely fucking up. BORING.

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(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 12:56 PM

@mscott http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15584930 . And as I said kruse doesn't make the connection to teeth. Alpha msh effects the body in many ways and UVB rays or cold temperatures are the only 2 natural ways I've found in the literature to increase it. @jake, the ones without exposure to cold that price discovered were in warmer climates, no? As I said UVB rays also raise alpha msh (sunlight). Cold therapy would then be more important in the absence of sunlight, ie, winter months.

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(14952)

on January 07, 2013
at 06:28 PM

I sense some pec-envey going on here.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 01:59 AM

Luckie, I don't care what Jake's tipping point is. What I care about is Jake telling a fellow paleohacker that Jack Kruse's paleo hacks are a waste of time and discrediting a guy on the basis of 'he doesn't care'. This forum is pretty much made for people who come up with paleo hacks and to smear somebody without providing any scientific basis because you don't care is not conducive of a successful thriving paleohacks. Then he tells me he doesn't care about shit I've found on my own about cold therapy affecting alpha-msh, he says jack kruse said it and that it's boring.

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on January 07, 2013
at 03:11 AM

stephen... this whole thing was actually about you getting to lord over the rest of us something that *you've* discovered, something that not even kruse is on to it yet. the secret lies with you! weston price found people living in all sorts of climates (some without cold exposure! oh no!) without dental carries, an in good health. despite the alpha msh secret decoder ring. pardon me for assuming you were passing on jack kruse wisdom, when in fact this was your own. how careless of me. YAWN.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 09:12 PM

I disagree with this. Do you have any idea how cold therapy changes alpha-msh production and why Thais would be important in winter months?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 06:31 PM

after accidents: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/sports/football/16everett.html?_r=0

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 10:46 PM

Cool story brah, have fun in your sub par life where mediocracy is the new awesome. If you get bored maybe you can join up with the poeple who try to go above and beyond; maybe not.

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(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 07:15 PM

I'm glad you seem to have some sort of basis for your discrediting of a paleo figure. Maybe next time if a person asks for an easy to read version of Jack's findings you can point them in the direction of the articles that do said critiquing instead of simply posting "there's no 'jack kruse for smart people,' only 'jack kruse for dummies.' don't waste your time with his stuff.".

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on January 07, 2013
at 04:14 PM

i'm just trying to get by with my "sub par life where mediocracy is the new awesome." good luck with your cutting edge approach to everything.

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(12682)

on January 07, 2013
at 04:43 AM

Stephen, I just looked for studies showing cold exposure increases alpha-MSH and found none. Though even if it did that wouldn't mean you could expect the effects of increasing bodily production of a-MSH to be the same as topically applying that hormone to your teeth. Extrapolating health effects solely from speculated mechanisms is a problematic practice and Kruse's excessive propensity for doing so is why I avoid reading his work.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 06:26 PM

Tell me Jake, do you think there are health benefits to doing things like HIIT, or resistance training? Both of those can be equally taxing on the body and suck in the short term. Are you familiar with Todd Becker of gettingstronger.org? I'm not trying to say Jack Kruse is some genius with awesome new approaches, but you can't just get on here and say he's a quack without saying why and expect to be taken seriously. Not to mention somehow you have the best answer so far at +3 without even answering this guy's question or providing an easy to read Jack Kruse article of any kind.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 07, 2013
at 06:31 PM

I didn't say this was cutting edge, your putting words in my mouth. Most Palaeolithic people would have been naturally exposed to the cold environment during the winter just like they would be exposed to uva/uvb rays in the summer. Everyone finds it easy to accept that sunlight and vitamin D are fantastic but there's so much resistance to cold therapy, what's the deal here. We have a huge segment of the population suffering from chronic inflammation and ice is THE essence of anti-inflammatory. This is why you put it on your ankle after you sprain it, or why doctors treat nfl players with cold

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on April 11, 2013
at 09:31 PM

I like it. It's succinct. Stand back and enjoy the fireworks show, and if you can take away something useful by all means do. But don't try to understand how he dazzled you, or you'll be put in your place. Dummies that play with the fireworks get burned.

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on April 11, 2013
at 08:36 PM

i think kruse is a visionary in his thought process, sure it can seem a little zany, and this is partially due to his writing skills, but i think this is the sign of a man with so many ideas all at once, who is just bursting at the seams, so it comes out as a lengthy diatribe. at the heart of the ideas is evolutionary science. remember many of these ideas are hard to study in a RCT, as the outcomes dont make any money etc. Particularly of interest in the einsteins theory stuff i think, as it is a law of the universe, a universe that shaped our genome. most visionaries who are able to make a real difference are written off as lunatics at first...remember when people first proposed that the earth was round??

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on January 06, 2013
at 08:58 PM

Eating paleo is a simple as a cast iron skillet . Evoo. Iow heat, meat and veggies. Or as complex as sweet potatoes, roast, crock pot or stock pot, onion and garlic.
Most of us eat eggs everyday. Think of a whole foods diet without starch ie rice, or breads. Biggest thing is eat clean, do not eat out of a box or bag only eat foods in there original natural state. When in doubt Google it.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 09:12 PM

He's asking more about epi-paleo here. It's kruse's version of paleo.

1b247b3ca673cb9a5c547c69d490de8f

(237)

on January 06, 2013
at 10:25 PM

Srry my understanding was Kruse was a moron like primal toad

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 06, 2013
at 10:45 PM

No worries .

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