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Is multi-symptom cold relieve paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 28, 2013 at 1:45 AM

From my earlier question about whether or not to use tylenol to lower my 102 degree fever: http://paleohacks.com/questions/193441/tylenol-to-reduce-fever-would-a-caveman-do-it

I decided I will do it overnight so it doesn't spike un-monitored. I think that's a solid suggestion, so thank you.

I'm not terribly troubled by the fever. What's more annoying is the runny nose and coughing.

So, let me ask a related question:

Is taking drugs to make myself more comfortable thwarting my body's mechanisms?

I'm not really coughing up lots of phlem. The couching is mostly dry and not productive. Any harm in suppressing that?

What would Grok do?

Thanks for any thoughts,

Mike

PS: I really appreciate all the great comments and ideas. It's like having a cave-mom & cave-dad to rely-on :-)

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on April 29, 2013
at 03:36 PM

Sorry @matt. I didn't mean to bother anyone. I learned lots from the interesting answers.

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on April 29, 2013
at 12:48 PM

Mike, enough with the dumbass questions, we are not your pharmacist or doctor. (I'm a grumpy-ass MFer today, sorry, but shit dude, enough.)

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on April 29, 2013
at 12:30 PM

Thank you. I forgot about the properties of coconut oil. I have some in my pantry and will use that instead of butter. Btw, I am amazed at how well Tylenol works. Each night, it knocked my fever from 102 to 98. I let my body be at its desired temp during the day when I can monitor it.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on April 29, 2013
at 12:16 AM

Thanks. My fever bounced back up to 101.7 all day. I'm about to take some tylonal before bed so I don't get a brain frying, un monitored spike overnight. The cough suppressant isn't too effective,but I am taking it because this caveman is tired of being a paleo purist.

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on April 28, 2013
at 10:33 AM

The tylonal dropped fever from 102 to 99 over night. I do feel like I've suffered enough in the name of my misguided paleo sense of purity. I am starting the multi symptom flu formula today. Thank you for the encouragement .

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on April 28, 2013
at 02:34 AM

up until u misbehave and get clobbered in the head..:)

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on April 28, 2013
at 11:41 AM

Mike, you are cracking me up! Hope you slept well last night and feel better today. At the expense of being knocked for "reenacting grok," (although I've been pursuing natural healing for 20 years, and paleo only for 3...), here are some ideas for the next time. :) (And BTW, http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cold-remedies/ID00036 lists these as well).

-water, water, water. Being fully hydrated when sick likely does more good than otc cold medicines (ask any pharmacist). chicken broth is also on this list

-honey and lemon - in warm water, or honey alone. soothes the throat, helps with coughing. "hot toddy" with whiskey is another good option

-cold mist humidifier, especially at night

-saline nose spray, or neti pot if you are more adventurous. I had a horrible sinus infection when pregnant once, and I was able to totally clear it with no antibiotics using the neti pot several times a day

-sleep. in our house, we medicate very little, trying the other methods first. however, if someone can't sleep, we pull out the otc meds for bedtime. however, the other comfort methods do go a long way!

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on April 29, 2013
at 12:16 AM

Thanks. My fever bounced back up to 101.7 all day. I'm about to take some tylonal before bed so I don't get a brain frying, un monitored spike overnight. The cough suppressant isn't too effective,but I am taking it because this caveman is tired of being a paleo purist.

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on April 29, 2013
at 11:23 AM

This isn't a historical re-enactment, and even if it was, had Grok access to modern drugs, over the counter or not, he'd dig in.

If you were to let Grok loose in a supermarket, he'd have eaten every crap-in-a-box product he could get his hands on because they are highly designed to be palatable and not satisfying. Grok, and all humans, however, were not designed, we evolved in a specific environment, and because of this, we have certain flaws that can be exploited by the designers of the crap-in-a-box peddlers to separate us from our cash as expediently as possible.

Of course this doesn't mean we should binge eat junk food, and the same is true of OTC cold remedies.

That said, you should use whichever medicine has the smallest amount of side effects and is the least toxic, while it performs the desired action.

There is a question of whether or not we should take something to break our fever, as the raised temperature has a purpose: to make our bodies inhabitable to the virii/bacteria that have infected us. But once we reach the danger point, we absolutely should. I'd be weary of tylenol as it is harmful to the liver, and advil as it is harmful to the gut lining, and use plain old aspirin - assuming that's well tolerated. But if tylenol works for you, by all means, take a small amount, just enough to get the desired effect, and avoid whatever toxic effects come with it.

I'd also take some supplements to undo the damage from it. For example milk thistle extracts are known to help heal livers. L-Glutamine and bone broth are known to heal gut damage, etc.

There is some great news. Anecdotally, most paleo dieters tend to only very rarely get sick. I haven't had a single cold since I went paleo, even when work was a very small crowded office with everyone around me getting sick. At worst, I just had a sore throat for a few hours and felt a bit sleepy, while the rest of the 20 or so coworkers took several days off with high fevers and headaches.

Things like coconut oil/oregano oil, and elderberry extract (aka sambucus) are respectively anti-bacterial and anti-viral, and probably played a good part, and may be something for you to look into.

But short answer, yes, if I break a leg, I will go to the ER to get a cast; if I have a very bad headache, I will take an aspirin every few hours at the minimal dose until it goes away, etc.

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on April 29, 2013
at 12:30 PM

Thank you. I forgot about the properties of coconut oil. I have some in my pantry and will use that instead of butter. Btw, I am amazed at how well Tylenol works. Each night, it knocked my fever from 102 to 98. I let my body be at its desired temp during the day when I can monitor it.

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on April 28, 2013
at 09:07 AM

Grok would take herbs, plants and tribal medicine to cure himself, or at least relieve the symptoms. Cold and flu were, and continue to be, very serious illnesses. Whether or not a fever actually serves a function in the immune response is contested, and certainly unproductive coughing and runny nose are by-products of fighting the virus. I don't know why you are so obsessed with not availing yourself of medication that will relieve your symptoms in your delusion that paleo people were somehow purified through suffering. I, for one, am happy to live in a time of flush toilets, antibiotics, and central heating, all of which have contributed to higher child life expectancy, better teeth and literacy that's not reserved for those in a monastic order. Just because I choose not to eat crap, doesn't mean I long to live in a bush and die of pneumonia.

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on April 28, 2013
at 10:33 AM

The tylonal dropped fever from 102 to 99 over night. I do feel like I've suffered enough in the name of my misguided paleo sense of purity. I am starting the multi symptom flu formula today. Thank you for the encouragement .

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