I always had warm hands.
Started to eat a lot of vegetables for well over a year, cooked and raw. Lunch is three cups of chopped raw vegetables with olive oil (home made balsamic vinaigrette). Originally; carrot, red pepper, cucumber, cauliflower, radish, broccoli.
Started to notice cold hands, numb fingertips. Not severe, but definitely noticeable. Eat plenty of cruciferous vegetables otherwise, mainly cooked; steamed broccoli, roasted cauliflower, saut??ed brussels sprouts. I like running low-cal veggies through the system, along with the meat.
Anyway, came across iodine deficiency. Started kelp tablets (Solgar 200 mcg) and dialed back the cruciferous vegetables, eat some seaweed. The new lunch tub is raw; carrots, red pepper, cucumber, jerusalem artichoke, celery, asparagus. Hands better but not normal.
Went back to lunch tub #1, with the raw crucifers for a week to see how it'd go (and to get a dose of glucosinolates to stave off all the nascent cancers I've accumulated from previous poor-living). Hands, fingertips especially, definitely worse.
Is this just an iodine thing? I am not going to get tested because I want no part of the thyroid merry-go-round unless absolutely necessary.
Will knock off all vegetables for lunch to see how that affects things. Wanted to see if I'm on point here, or if you have any other ideas.
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on June 06, 2012
at 08:12 PM
Read 2 books:
Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms? When My Lab Tests Are Normal: A Revolutionary Breakthrough In Understanding Hashimoto's Disease and Hypothyroidism by Dr. Datis Kharrazian, DHSc, DC, MS, MNeuroSci, FAACP, DACBN, DABCN, DIBAK, CNS - chiropractic doctor
Iodine: Why you need it, Why you can't live without it by Dr. David Brownstein, MD
For more Paleo Diet hacks: Are people curing hypothyroid??? - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/106904/are-people-curing-hypothyroid#ixzz1wsKV6BzQ
I have to believe iodine and selenium is fairly important especially if consuming goitrogens and fermented vegetables. My husband and I were consuming about 1-2 pounds of COOKED goitrogenic vegetables per day with no supplemental iodine or selenium. We were using sea salt which doesn't have much iodine. We started to develop symptoms like fatigue, feeling cold, cold hands etc. These symptoms happened in both low carb and higher carb contexts, although higher carbohydrate may mask thyroid symptoms - this was mentioned multiple times at Paleo FX in Austin.
Within days of slow adding kelp supplementation (building from 150 mcg to currently 600 mcg over a month) and 150-200 mcg of selenium daily we notice a big difference in energy and not feeling cold. We have also limited our goitrogens by eliminating fermented vegetables since we do fine with raw dairy for probiotics.
We thought cooking and eating lots of saturated fat would take care of the goitrogens, but apparently that wasn't enough for us. So I compiled this list to help those trying to limit goitrogens or have had a similar experience.
Avocado - improves thyroid function
Berries (except strawberries), Cherries, Citrus (lemon, lime, grapefruit, orange, etc.), Melons
Apricots, Dragonfruit, Starfruit, Grapes, Guava, Kiwi, Lychee, Mango, Apple, Pineapple, Pomegranate
Nightshades - Peppers (sweet/bell and hot), Eggplant, Tomatoes, Potatoes
Squashes - Cabeza, Zuccinni, Yellow, Butternut, Pumpkin, Bittermelon (Corolla) technically fruit
Peas, Green Beans, Carrots
Lettuce, Celery, Cucumber
Herbs - Oregano, Basil, Thyme, Parsley, Cilantro, Parsley
Onions, Leeks, garlic, shallots, chives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogen Goitrogens are substances that suppress the thyroid gland by interfering with iodine uptake, which can, as a result, cause an enlargement of the thyroid, i.e., a goitre.
Fermented Vegetables in brine (salt water) NOT vinegar have high Goitrogens since the bacteria convert more to that form as in Sauerkraut, Kimchi, Pickle, etc. Certain raw foods (cooking inactivates some of the goitrogens, except in the cases of soy and millet) have been identified as goitrogenic. These goitrogenic foods include:
Cassava (Tapioca), Sweet Potatoes, Rutabagas, Radishes (inc. Daikon), Turnips
Soybeans (and soybean products such as tofu, soybean oil, soy flour, soy lecithin) (High)
Pine nuts, Peanuts, Flaxseeds, Lima Beans
Strawberries, Pears, Peaches (low)
Vegetables in the genus Brassica (cruciferous)
Bok choy, Choy sum, Mizuna Tatsoi,
Broccoli, Broccolini, Broccoflower, Kai-lan (Chinese broccoli), Rapini, Cauliflower
Brussels sprouts, Cabbage, Chinese cabbage
Canola (Rapeseed), Yu Choy,
Collard greens, Mustard Greens, Kale
Despite being generally a stimulant, caffeine (examples: coffee, tea, cola, chocolate) acts on thyroid function as a suppressant. Indeed some studies on rats suggest that excess caffeine in conjunction with a lack of iodine may promote the formation of thyroid cancers. Masterjohn recommends no more then 5 servings of goitrogens/week and Kresser no more then 3-6 servings/week for anyone with thyroid issues.
Paul Jaminet, Chris Masterjohn, and Chris Kresser have written well on this.
Fermentation makes soy goitrogens worse! http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2010/10/fermentation-does-not-neutrailize.html
For more Paleo Diet hacks: Have you had a possible iodine and/or selenium deficiency (or symptoms of it) on an ancestral diet even with cooking goitrogens? - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/111727/have-you-had-a-possible-iodine-and-or-selenium-deficiency-or-symptoms-of-it-on#ixzz1tZqqlDIu
For more Paleo Diet hacks: Hypothyroidism? - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/82040/hypothyroidism#ixzz1wsL1qMzy
on June 06, 2012
at 02:33 PM
The following things cause me to develop cold hands and feet:
- BMI less than 20.0
- fasting for more than 12 hours
- insufficient sleep (less than 7 hours)
- intense stress
- very low fat (sub-40g)
- low carb (sub-100g)
And there's really no downside to getting your blood hormone levels tested. Just interpret the results in their proper context.
on June 06, 2012
at 02:36 PM
try a lot of spices (curcumin, ginger, tumeric etc) add lots of spices to a vegetable curry dish, these are suppose to be brilliant for cold hands, cold feet, hope this helps
on June 07, 2012
at 02:31 AM
Check out dannyroddy.com or raypeat.com
Do some research through either of those two websites, helped me quite a bit with the exact same problem.
on June 06, 2012
at 03:26 PM
What comes to mind for me with what you describe is that you might have low thyroid. The very first sign that my thyroid is low is cold hands as you described. That is what is noticeable first, when its lower a lot of other things happen. Are your feet also cold? You are eating a lot of cruciferous veggies, you have or think you have low iodine and both these can cause or go along with low thyroid.
What is the "Thyroid Merry-Go-Round" you refer to? I'm sure nobody with hypo-thyroid wanted to have it.
on June 06, 2012
at 02:45 PM
This is a long shot, but if just the thumb, pointer, middle, and just the "thumb side" of the ring finger are experiencing this, it most certainly is your median nerve being constricted inside your carpal tunnel. You can ascertain it with the specifics of the areas affected as mentioned. This is better known as carpal tunnel syndrome. This stems from repetitive movement, using certain tools with vibration over time, and sometimes genetic. Just an idea, as I am dealing with it currently.
on June 06, 2012
at 02:29 PM
I've read some people report treating this with magnesium, even though this didn't work for me. I've had similar symptoms for years and nothing really helped until I tried Peat. Still undecided on the other effects of that approach, but I am noticeably warmer; my hands and feet especially. Also I would be careful of supplementing iodine unless you are getting adequate selenium.
on November 05, 2012
at 02:37 AM
don't know how old you are but i'm wondering if you have low progesterone? adding a small amount of natural progesterone cream may be enough to warm you up and boost your thyroid. HOWEVER< if you have estrogen dominance, this can give you hypo thyroid symptoms, like freezing cold hands, and general fatigue, but your thyroid bloodwork will be normal. that's because the estrogen blocks the thyroid hormone from entering the cells...I know as I suffer from this for a year. its getting better now that I found a doctor to prescribe bio identical progesterone, taking Calcium D glucarate to eliminate extra estrogen, and addressing reactive hypoglycemia with Metformin...so far so good!