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Paleo is killing me.!

Answered on September 16, 2013
Created September 10, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Well, not literally. let me describe what happened with me on my paleo diet(and i think im nit the obly one to whol this occured.

Well, ive been doing Fitness stuff since quite a while (1 1/2 years) now and through this, i also got in touch with health, diets and so the paleo diet.

After some time hesitating, i gave the paleo thing a try, just for a day, like i promised myself , but however, due to the fact that this diet actually makes perfect sense, is sticked to it. Until now.

Before it, i never had any digestive problems, even with foods that would give many people problems , like onions- i could eat them uncooked, without aby problems. i didnt have problem with any food. And didnt have in the first 2, or even 3 weeks.

But since one week ago, i have some real trouble with my tummy/digestive system.

Most of the time im feeling bloated, often have flatulence ( yeah, sorry) and just dont feel that well anymore.

There really seems to be some trouble with my dicestive system, but while being on a paleo diet. i feel pretty desperate now, because i switched to paleo to try if it helps me to feel even better( i felt good!) , or at least to maintain my feeling while knowing that its good what im doing for long term health( ditching grains...)

So i really dont know what to do now... At some moments now i really think about going back off paleo to my former diet....

(one other thing: Since paleo and the knowledge of eating good and much fats, i ate one avocado( nearly) everyday.(but ate many in a week before too, but maybe thats a problem- i dont know- well, at least its listed in the FODMAP lists... i really dont know...)

I heard about all if that stuff like FODMAP, ditching some foods for 30 days and slowly bringing them back, but- honestly- that all just awful- i just want to be healthy, good-feeling, eating what i like, and not thinking about what in allowed to and what not in terms of- very good digestible/ not so good digestible...

Ive been eating all those foods that im eating in my current paleo diet for a long long time, and my body should have adapted to it!

The only change that happened was eliminating grains, and looking for not consuming too much carbs throughout the day.

Im now very unsure how to further proceed, its just terrible!

I hope to get some good advice to feel much better soon :)

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on September 12, 2013
at 07:14 AM

I think this

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/

is an excellent place to start. And, indeed, finish!

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on September 11, 2013
at 07:50 PM

Safe starches are a must! I mostly stick to white rice and white potatoes... I just feel crappy on VLC.

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on September 11, 2013
at 07:30 PM

so youre saying you will get sensitive to things that youre eating everyday? or was it just for your case in the case of an avocado?

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on September 11, 2013
at 02:37 PM

This one really makes sense to me too. Good observation. I know when I first started Paleo I tended to engorge on things I felt were "good" to replace the "bad" and that lead to problems.

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on September 11, 2013
at 02:35 PM

So yes, my unofficial (I'm no dietitian) recommendation is to do what worked for me, or at least try it. Don't necessarily go back to eating wheat all the time, but have some here and there, especially in conjunction with a probiotic (yogurt helps me with wheat for some reason) and don't let yourself get too worried or strict. Eat more healthy, that's all. Also, I find that a daily avocado makes me get a little sensitive to it. I try to limit it to a few per week.

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on September 11, 2013
at 02:32 PM

Since the body has been exposed a great deal throughout the life, and possibly suffered some negative side effects, I think it's the sudden "realization" if you could call it that, by the body, that you can live without the stuff that makes the body want to react on a level you will be consciously aware of. If it makes you a little sick for a long time, maybe it's better (says the body) to FEEL more sick so you learn to avoid it. Sorry to reference "the body" so much, what else to call it in laymen's terms?

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on September 11, 2013
at 02:18 PM

Jonas, see my reply below. It would be a few weeks of non-starch Paleo for me too before I started noticing trouble. I would think everything is going great, this is working so well, and then I'd get the stomach aches. Maybe we are onto something.

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on September 11, 2013
at 02:05 PM

so youre recommending me to have some carbs again...

how long will it take until everything is set up right again?

and then, should i slowly lower the carbs until full paleo?

But all those paleo people( mark sisson...) always are tellibg how great paleo is and how good it will be for your stomach, and they never gave any advice to gradually go into paleo...

all my hope in paleo world is drowning :(

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

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on September 11, 2013
at 01:48 PM

yeah thats actually what i did, your right!

But why did those digestive problems occured only later then, 2/3 three weeks on low-carbs?

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on September 11, 2013
at 01:17 PM

I'm a fan of the gradual approach (I'd rather not feel like shit due to a drastic transition). Not sure you need to continue 'dosing' yourself with wheat or whatever to avoid your body going ape-shit when you do consume it. Allergies/toxicities don't develop due to lack of exposure.

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

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on September 11, 2013
at 05:37 AM

i meant : eat; Since

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

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on September 11, 2013
at 05:36 AM

so you would basically recommend me to eats grains again, wince this was the only real change?

But why did i feel that good in the first 2/3 weeks with paleo?

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

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on September 11, 2013
at 05:33 AM

i actually ate a ton of fruits before... like said, nothing changed that much, beside kickin the grains...

F4ae81f342d8f66d784bf5e5c04dc00a

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on September 10, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Apples are a high source of Fructose and Polyols, the F + P in "FODMAPs". I can't tolerate them at all, without digestive distress, bloating, and flatulence. #nuffsaid

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

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on September 10, 2013
at 12:27 PM

And i also am thinking about maybe having some whole grains again, maybe it will make me feel like before, if before i felt good, you know?

Or do you think it may be the daily avocado thats giving trouble to me?

I also recognized in the last days, that my beloved apples may not be that good for me as thought... But just all since this one week ... -strange! :/

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on September 16, 2013
at 04:25 PM

I've noticed that since I've gone ketogenic, my body does not tolerate plant carbs very well at all, and it's only getting worse over time. Noodles and rice especially make me very sick, and completely disrupt my digestive system. Without them I feel fantastic though, so I've decided that I just don't need 'em in my diet ;)

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on September 15, 2013
at 03:47 PM

I think you're just looking for an excuse to go back to eating grains. Sorry. It turns out that wheat contains exorphins, which are morphine like compounds, to which we're addicted.

It's true that our gut flora will adapt and that may cause fun events like diarrhea, but it's also likely that you feel bad due to the low carb flu and the addiction to the exorphins.

The other thing to understand is that gluten looks a lot like our own tissues and can get past the blood brain barrier as well as the gut lining (both are made of the same types of cells), and once it does that, it can cause an autoimmune reaction, causing all sorts of autoimmune diseases. It takes quite a long time for our bodies to let go of the antibodies to wheat, and thus for the autoimmune disease to go away. Many people are asymptomatic to this, thinking that things like joint pain, or brain fog are just a normal part of aging, when truly the problem is gluten and gliadin.

The best I can tell you is go cold turkey and avoid any exposures.

In terms of the bloating and flatulence, look at whatever sources of carbs your eating and perhaps swap them out for a little while, to allow your gut flora to adjust. Then introduce them back in.

The answer isn't going back to grains, however.

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on September 11, 2013
at 12:52 PM

(can't seem to reply under Andrew's comment, it's not working)

Thank you Andrew for posting this! Now I'm really thinking this has been my problem too. I even posted about it not that long ago HERE but didn't get an answer. Seems every time I think I'm doing well by good cutting out the starches completely, thinking it's a GOOD thing to do for digestion (& weight loss), my gerd stomach pain returns. I'm going to stick to including rice foods. I can't say for sure yet as I had to go back on PPI this time (grrr!) but I'm weaning off now while eating the starches. Jonas, if you go back on starch, please let us know if it makes a difference!!

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on September 11, 2013
at 07:50 PM

Safe starches are a must! I mostly stick to white rice and white potatoes... I just feel crappy on VLC.

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543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on September 11, 2013
at 07:22 AM

"The only change that happened was eliminating grains..."

I presume you increased some of your other (existing) foods to replace the grains (else you dropped your calorie intake)...

If you work out which foods got increased the most, that may give you a clue. Sounds like your digestion is suffering a bit from the increase in that particular food or foods.

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(624)

on September 11, 2013
at 02:37 PM

This one really makes sense to me too. Good observation. I know when I first started Paleo I tended to engorge on things I felt were "good" to replace the "bad" and that lead to problems.

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on September 11, 2013
at 07:02 AM

"and looking for not consuming too much carb throughout the day". I would guess this is the problem. You say the only major change you have made is cutting out grains. Did you eat a whole heap of pasta, bread, and other grain products, then stop completely? Have you cut out all white potatoes, fries, chips etc? Have you, in fact, cut out all OBVIOUS carb sources and replaced them with veg, fruit etc?

I did exactly this four years ago and suffered bad digestive distress. It took me a while to work out that my gut NEEDS carbs. Plantain, white rice, white potatoes - food for the good bacteria that live in the gut. Re-introducing those into my diet have helped a great deal, but I WISH I had not cut them out in the first place - it messed my gut badly. Paleo doesnt have to be very low carb from day one.

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

(5)

on September 11, 2013
at 01:48 PM

yeah thats actually what i did, your right!

But why did those digestive problems occured only later then, 2/3 three weeks on low-carbs?

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

(5)

on September 11, 2013
at 02:05 PM

so youre recommending me to have some carbs again...

how long will it take until everything is set up right again?

and then, should i slowly lower the carbs until full paleo?

But all those paleo people( mark sisson...) always are tellibg how great paleo is and how good it will be for your stomach, and they never gave any advice to gradually go into paleo...

all my hope in paleo world is drowning :(

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

(5005)

on September 12, 2013
at 07:14 AM

I think this

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/

is an excellent place to start. And, indeed, finish!

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on September 10, 2013
at 09:48 PM

I'm also curious to know what you're eating in more detail (quantities, preparation, etc.). I was under the impression that people usually feel the transition symptoms for the first week of switching to paleo, but you said that you felt good for the first few weeks.

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on September 10, 2013
at 08:19 PM

It is difficult to answer your question because you are not very specific in what you are actually eating. Stick to basics such as meat, eggs and leafy greens and try a probiotic. Too much fruit can make you bloated, eat fruit sparingly. Try a probiotic. Good Luck!

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on September 10, 2013
at 07:23 PM

I agree with the fiber content answer--how much fiber did you consume (vegetable, fruit form) pre Paleo? Maybe, your body isn't used to the increase in fat, which is normally associated with Paleo?

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

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on September 11, 2013
at 05:33 AM

i actually ate a ton of fruits before... like said, nothing changed that much, beside kickin the grains...

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on September 10, 2013
at 02:38 PM

They're basically right. The most likely cause of your icky tummy is sudden, drastic change. What I did was to gradually reduce wheat until now I pretty much never touch the stuff. However, I still "contaminate" myself with small quantities from time to time to make sure my body doesn't decide it's poison and get all allergic. The stuff is bad for you though, no doubt. Particularly modern, hybridized, super-glutinous, dwarven, super-wheat.

I suggest you continue to eat all the things you ate before, just reduce the things that you're learning are bad for you gradually over time. Tailor the diet to YOUR body and don't let any fool tell you that there's only one right way to do Paleo. It's not that kind of diet.

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

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on September 11, 2013
at 05:37 AM

i meant : eat; Since

186493bc720991a12c6808aae5a22c45

(5)

on September 11, 2013
at 05:36 AM

so you would basically recommend me to eats grains again, wince this was the only real change?

But why did i feel that good in the first 2/3 weeks with paleo?

Medium avatar

(624)

on September 11, 2013
at 02:35 PM

So yes, my unofficial (I'm no dietitian) recommendation is to do what worked for me, or at least try it. Don't necessarily go back to eating wheat all the time, but have some here and there, especially in conjunction with a probiotic (yogurt helps me with wheat for some reason) and don't let yourself get too worried or strict. Eat more healthy, that's all. Also, I find that a daily avocado makes me get a little sensitive to it. I try to limit it to a few per week.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on September 11, 2013
at 01:17 PM

I'm a fan of the gradual approach (I'd rather not feel like shit due to a drastic transition). Not sure you need to continue 'dosing' yourself with wheat or whatever to avoid your body going ape-shit when you do consume it. Allergies/toxicities don't develop due to lack of exposure.

Medium avatar

(624)

on September 11, 2013
at 02:32 PM

Since the body has been exposed a great deal throughout the life, and possibly suffered some negative side effects, I think it's the sudden "realization" if you could call it that, by the body, that you can live without the stuff that makes the body want to react on a level you will be consciously aware of. If it makes you a little sick for a long time, maybe it's better (says the body) to FEEL more sick so you learn to avoid it. Sorry to reference "the body" so much, what else to call it in laymen's terms?

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on September 10, 2013
at 02:32 PM

Try a probiotic from a quality source. Give it a week. If you can tolerate dairy use some Kefir or go with a coconut kefir if not. I have 95% less digestive issues since no grains in my diet.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 10, 2013
at 02:20 PM

Our digestive systems don't like change, you have one set of microbes in there now, and if you drastically change your diet, you're going to have to wait for your microbe set to change to match your new diet.

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on September 10, 2013
at 01:57 PM

I'm also struggling dude and it's day 3 for me. Also eating a lot of apples! I think probably the flatulance is just your digestive systems reaction to having so much of something it didn't have much of before. I've expereinced it when I've increased fibre intake before (I think apples have a decent amount of fibre in).

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on September 10, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Apples are a high source of Fructose and Polyols, the F + P in "FODMAPs". I can't tolerate them at all, without digestive distress, bloating, and flatulence. #nuffsaid

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