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feeling run down- continued

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM

i have been consuming a diet free of sugar, dairy, grain and legumes for eight weeks. six weeks in i was feeling very run down. i posted here and got many helpful suggestions which i incorporated into my eating; specifically less carbs by reducing fruits and less green tea/more water.
one week later i got the flu. i haven't been ill like this in a decade. i still feel fatigued, so its time to look elsewhere for the problem.
i wonder if its the eggs. i used to eat one a day, but i find i add them to many other meals bringing my consumption up to three a day. could my symptoms be caused by eggs?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on May 16, 2011
at 06:59 AM

yes, paleo is not a cure all, and in many cases will uncover deeper issues, such as a weakened immune system. health and re-healthening (if that can be a word) is a very long term process. also, paleo does not tend to emphasize organ meats, and many organs are hard/impossible to get. paleo in its trendy form also does not emphasize herbal medicine, which would have been a large part of indigineous culture.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 14, 2011
at 12:46 PM

@Sherpa, done and done.

35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

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on May 14, 2011
at 10:21 AM

good advice, fruits are good and some contain decent amounts of potassium.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 14, 2011
at 03:19 AM

thank you Dr K, is timing of the dose important. i purchased 100mg caps; bid or 2t od?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on May 14, 2011
at 02:38 AM

Hiya, Ben. Could you email me when you get a chance? sherpamelissa at gmail dot com. thanks.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 14, 2011
at 02:13 AM

i will give that a go; thanks.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on May 14, 2011
at 02:13 AM

if no success then get salivary cortisol testing done.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on May 14, 2011
at 02:12 AM

low serotonin.....take 200 mgs of 5htp a day for a month.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 14, 2011
at 02:12 AM

are there particular tests that i should reqest? i have a doc who is very short sighted. if i am honest with him about low carb'ing he will tell me stop and refuse to do the bloodwork; he's so predictable.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 14, 2011
at 02:09 AM

i am still eating 3 meals a day, but i stopped snacking. i look forward to reading the results.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 14, 2011
at 01:06 AM

thanks Jodi! i appreciate your assistance.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 14, 2011
at 01:05 AM

i purchased some 5HTP 100mg caps. should i take them bid or 2t? with or without food?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 14, 2011
at 01:00 AM

i got the actual flu. started with a razorblade feeling in my throat on the weekend, followed by laryngitis and is finishing up with mucus filled sinuses: yummy! six days of me and my couch.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 14, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Julia - let me know how that works for you. I think your hypothesis may be correct.

C4ed6ba382aed2eefc18e7877999a5de

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on May 13, 2011
at 09:44 PM

I am also very small (5'0" and ~105 lbs) and I think I am also going to try eating more small meals (I also IF) because I don't think my stomach likes digesting such big meals all at once!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 13, 2011
at 09:19 PM

Well when you say some days you just feel like you need more carbs then I suppose just eat more. This is all good food we're talking about yknow? Not that you said you did but I just wanna make sure you're not afraid of eating more carbs is all.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 13, 2011
at 09:18 PM

Interesting. Though I'm a big Eades' reader I'm not familiar with this potassium bit. Wish I knew that when I was eating only animal products for three months:)

1f24d4895246892ef4ee4d79b7f9eeeb

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on May 13, 2011
at 08:11 PM

I agree. Magnesium and calcium, too. I'd also experiment with adding in a few more carbs to see how you feel. Everybody has to find what's right for them.

8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

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on May 13, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I basically don't count carbs. I just eat as nuch veggies and fruit as i want because they are the good carbs...I believe that you will be full before you over eat on them....good for you with the co op meat! I know grass fed meat is sooo expensive! I have to go to the farmers market once a week to get it at somewhat reasonable prices...i am sure you will feel much better once you eat the 'clean' meat! Good luck! :)

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 13, 2011
at 05:54 PM

i eat alot of chicken and canadian backbacon, canned fish, fresh fish, lamb, pork and beef; grass fed is difficult to find in my neighbourhood. June 4th i get my first delivery of grass fed beef; i joined a local co-op that group buys. i don't eat traditional bacon, sausage, deli meats or ground meats. may i ask how many grams of carbs you eat a day and do you apply any criteria to when you eat them?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 13, 2011
at 05:40 PM

i have been strictly paleo for about 8 weeks. initially i wasn't eating low carb, but concentrating on eliminating the grains and legumes. my motivation at that time was to rid myself of "feeling fat". at 5'5" and 130lbs i felt as fat as i did when i was 180lbs. that changed about a week into the process. currently i am taking in 75-150 grams of carbs a day; some days it seems i just need more to feel less blah. depression scares me. otherwise i am in excellent health.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 13, 2011
at 05:14 PM

think about food choices before you start buying pills and popping supps. a bit of starch may make you feel a lot better before you fill up your amazon cart with pricey pills.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 13, 2011
at 05:12 PM

thanks Dexter, i didn't start the 5HTP. i started researching for a good brand but have not made the time to get to a reputable vendor. would a drugstore brand suffice? i used to take Vit D last year because my blood test revealed i was low, but my most recent blood work was okay so i stopped. i will try adding that back in. how much time does it take to convert?

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9e2180e7bfd688eb52d4f0c536172024

(2004)

on May 13, 2011
at 07:07 PM

I read a comment from Dr. Eades on this kind of situation (don't have time to find the link). He suggested potassium might be the issue.

Updated: Okay, here's the post. In response to a comment, he writes:

"Being in chronic ketosis does not necessarily make one tired. Usually tiredness in the face of ketosis comes from a potassium deficiency. People go into ketosis because they are cutting carbs, cutting carbs reduces insulin levels, reduced insulin levels encourage the kidneys to get rid of excess fluid. As this excess fluid leaves the body it carries potassium along with it, often causing a potassium deficiency. Replacing the potassium usually solves the problem."

1f24d4895246892ef4ee4d79b7f9eeeb

(373)

on May 13, 2011
at 08:11 PM

I agree. Magnesium and calcium, too. I'd also experiment with adding in a few more carbs to see how you feel. Everybody has to find what's right for them.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 13, 2011
at 09:18 PM

Interesting. Though I'm a big Eades' reader I'm not familiar with this potassium bit. Wish I knew that when I was eating only animal products for three months:)

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 14, 2011
at 01:06 AM

thanks Jodi! i appreciate your assistance.

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13db020c06c22c2f8b129034ddc013e4

on May 14, 2011
at 12:56 AM

My mother got very lethargic on strict paleo (3 days). We pulled her diet apart, turns out she was eating maybe 700 calories/day while working hard in garden. She was also eating no starches, no fruits.

I'd recommend running your diet through Fitday (free) and see if your calories or carbs are too low. In order of harmlessness first try eating more non-carbs, then if that doesn't help try eating more carbs (fruits, starches - no glutens, no sugars).

35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

(571)

on May 14, 2011
at 10:21 AM

good advice, fruits are good and some contain decent amounts of potassium.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 14, 2011
at 02:13 AM

i will give that a go; thanks.

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05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on May 13, 2011
at 09:49 PM

are you saying you got the actual flu, or the "low carb flu"?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 14, 2011
at 01:00 AM

i got the actual flu. started with a razorblade feeling in my throat on the weekend, followed by laryngitis and is finishing up with mucus filled sinuses: yummy! six days of me and my couch.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on May 16, 2011
at 06:59 AM

yes, paleo is not a cure all, and in many cases will uncover deeper issues, such as a weakened immune system. health and re-healthening (if that can be a word) is a very long term process. also, paleo does not tend to emphasize organ meats, and many organs are hard/impossible to get. paleo in its trendy form also does not emphasize herbal medicine, which would have been a large part of indigineous culture.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 13, 2011
at 08:59 PM

I experienced this same exact feeling a couple of weeks ago. I posted it here but I'll say it again. I ate at a taqueria and had some beans. I thought those could be the problem and someone suggested it could be the oil or the msg. You may want to check that out.

On anther note: I am a huge egg eater. 2-3 per day. Over the past few days I've experienced a dull ache and bloating in my tummy along with a sleepy feeling a few hours later. I ate the same meal everyday to control the experiment. I checked on here about the egg issue and see a few posters experienced the same problem. I recall that I didn't have this problem when I didn't eat eggs for 2 days last week. I took out eggs beginning today and I haven't had the issue. Granted the day isn't over but by now (2 hours after my meal) I'm not experiencing the pain.

After I finish the egg experiment, I'm going to try eating within my eating window (from 11 am to 7 pm - I IF) but 3 or 4 smaller meals. I currently eat 2 big meals. After that, I'm going to up my caloric intake. At the moment, I document only about 1000-1200 calories. I work out daily and not to exhaustion (trying to control for cortisol issues). Keep in mind I'm very small 5'1" @ 108 lbs so I don't require a lot of calories.

Anyway, hope these three experiments may help you. I find they've helped me introduce/take out a lot of paleo foods that just didn't work well with my body.

C4ed6ba382aed2eefc18e7877999a5de

(1579)

on May 13, 2011
at 09:44 PM

I am also very small (5'0" and ~105 lbs) and I think I am also going to try eating more small meals (I also IF) because I don't think my stomach likes digesting such big meals all at once!

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 14, 2011
at 02:09 AM

i am still eating 3 meals a day, but i stopped snacking. i look forward to reading the results.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 14, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Julia - let me know how that works for you. I think your hypothesis may be correct.

1
667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 13, 2011
at 05:13 PM

i wouldn't think eggs are making you feel run down per se, though some (me included) don't digest eggs well. Approx how long have you been clean, strict paleo? Approx how many grams of carbohydrate are you currently eating? If its in the less-than-50 grams/day range I'd say try adding some starch calories in and see how you feel.

For me, eating only animal products and nonstarchy veg just does not lead to optimal athletic performance OR a good positive mental outlook. I have found that by adding in starch from sweet potatoes and occasional white rice give me just those two things: more pep and a brighter mental/emotional state.

if you are metabolically healthy and not diabetic then perhaps add starch as I mention above and see if you don't feel a bit better. If it doesn't work then thats that, but im betting it will have you smiling again in no time.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 14, 2011
at 02:38 AM

Hiya, Ben. Could you email me when you get a chance? sherpamelissa at gmail dot com. thanks.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 13, 2011
at 05:40 PM

i have been strictly paleo for about 8 weeks. initially i wasn't eating low carb, but concentrating on eliminating the grains and legumes. my motivation at that time was to rid myself of "feeling fat". at 5'5" and 130lbs i felt as fat as i did when i was 180lbs. that changed about a week into the process. currently i am taking in 75-150 grams of carbs a day; some days it seems i just need more to feel less blah. depression scares me. otherwise i am in excellent health.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 13, 2011
at 09:19 PM

Well when you say some days you just feel like you need more carbs then I suppose just eat more. This is all good food we're talking about yknow? Not that you said you did but I just wanna make sure you're not afraid of eating more carbs is all.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 14, 2011
at 12:46 PM

@Sherpa, done and done.

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on May 13, 2011
at 11:06 PM

I would get some blood work done, a standard blood test to see if there are any imbalances going on. Iron is a biggie, even if one eats red meat there are other factors that can bring one's levels down (like taking too many NSAIDS, which cause internal bleeding). Also, as someone else mentioned, a potassium imbalance can also cause fatigue/weakness.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 14, 2011
at 02:12 AM

are there particular tests that i should reqest? i have a doc who is very short sighted. if i am honest with him about low carb'ing he will tell me stop and refuse to do the bloodwork; he's so predictable.

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8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

(284)

on May 13, 2011
at 05:21 PM

what type of meat are you eating? are you eating grass-fed? bacon (i'm going to get heat for that! lol :) ) What i found is this: when i started paleo i did not eat much grass fed, and i felt run down too...now, that i eat mostly grass fed, i feel soooo good...i also eat a lot of veggies and fruit!

8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

(284)

on May 13, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I basically don't count carbs. I just eat as nuch veggies and fruit as i want because they are the good carbs...I believe that you will be full before you over eat on them....good for you with the co op meat! I know grass fed meat is sooo expensive! I have to go to the farmers market once a week to get it at somewhat reasonable prices...i am sure you will feel much better once you eat the 'clean' meat! Good luck! :)

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 13, 2011
at 05:54 PM

i eat alot of chicken and canadian backbacon, canned fish, fresh fish, lamb, pork and beef; grass fed is difficult to find in my neighbourhood. June 4th i get my first delivery of grass fed beef; i joined a local co-op that group buys. i don't eat traditional bacon, sausage, deli meats or ground meats. may i ask how many grams of carbs you eat a day and do you apply any criteria to when you eat them?

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06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on May 13, 2011
at 04:53 PM

Did you follow Dr K's suggestion of using 5HTP til low carb flu symptoms abated?

One thing that was not mentioned in the other thread was the fact that supplementation with Vit D3 boosts the immune system by activating the killer T cells that go out and kill invading bacteria and viruses. Dr K wants his patients to have 70-100ng/mL serum Vit D3. Most everyone is deficient in D3

Edit Re: Pricy Pills. I get my Now Brand Vit D3 from http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NWF391/ItemDetail?n=0 less than five cents per day US.

I use Now Brands 5000IU per gelcap one a day and have for 3 years and have not had one bout with cold or flu in that time.

Eggs are not your problem. You still have not converted your enzymes over from a carb burner to a fat burner/ It just takes time. Review more on low carb flu here: http://lowcarb4u.blogspot.com/2010/02/induction-flu.html

I eat 2 dozen a week all fried in coconut oil with no problem. Each tablespoon of coconut oil contains 117 cal and I use about 5 a day. And its 59% saturated fat.

You hang in there and you will like the results of paleo.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 14, 2011
at 01:05 AM

i purchased some 5HTP 100mg caps. should i take them bid or 2t? with or without food?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 13, 2011
at 05:12 PM

thanks Dexter, i didn't start the 5HTP. i started researching for a good brand but have not made the time to get to a reputable vendor. would a drugstore brand suffice? i used to take Vit D last year because my blood test revealed i was low, but my most recent blood work was okay so i stopped. i will try adding that back in. how much time does it take to convert?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 13, 2011
at 05:14 PM

think about food choices before you start buying pills and popping supps. a bit of starch may make you feel a lot better before you fill up your amazon cart with pricey pills.

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