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Should I keep on If-ing or try a leptin reset?

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Created September 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Been Paleo for over a year and feeling good. Have been focusing on exercise (5 primal movements) for about 2 months now and been happy with the results. I'm 5'11, 165-170 (haven't weighed myself for about a month) and look pretty good except that I still have love handles and a bulge around my belly button. My wife has even mentioned that I look pretty good, but she doesn't understand why my abdominal area still looks about the same -- I agree!

Over the past year, I've gone 24 or 32 hours on a fast, just to add variety and I've dabbled with an eating window, but for the last week I've decided to really try and stick with an eating window by skipping breakfast and eating between 12 and 8 approx. Hoping that this little change will help the belly thing. I usually exercise fasted (when I can) but don't worry if I have to exercise later in the day.

And then I started reading about leptin resistance and wondering if that's the problem, but I am finding it hard to tell. I don't crave carbs really at all so that's not a problem. I try not to overeat, but I never count calories. Don't care about eating carbs as long as they are sweet potatoes or veggies, but I don't ever eat that much of that either. I do feel fatigue when I work out, but I kinda figure that is normal because I'm working out. I get between 8 and 9 hours of sleep a night.

Up to this point, I've been eating a big breakfast and three meals a day, but if I snacked in between I really didn't care. I'll make myself a coconut milk smoothie at night if my family is eating ice cream once a week. Like I said, who knows how many grams of carbs I am eating, but it can't be a lot. I have doing aerobic exercise for a long time and, like I said, just added the primal movements. My point is, I've been kinda doing the leptin reset thing, but certainly not strictly. Do you think, based on the belly fat, that I should try to do a strict leptin reset? Or, should I keep on focusing on doing the IF for awhile? What are your reasons for thinking one would work better than the other? Do you still need more diet info? Thanks for your suggestions!

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on October 27, 2011
at 11:42 PM

I think augury is a better way to decide what to eat. When I see a vulture in the sky, I don't eat chicken for a week. When I see a woodpecker, I-...well, that's private.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 27, 2011
at 11:32 PM

You do not sound like a Leptin Rx guy. I bet your problem is hormonal. Stick with IFing and primal eating. If things dont adapt......test. Then you win when you really know.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 27, 2011
at 11:30 PM

You dont sound like your a leptin rx guy.

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on September 28, 2011
at 02:42 AM

I am 33 years old.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:16 AM

I don't really agree with six times per day. I agree that tracking what one eats usually aids in weightloss goals

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:14 AM

How old are you

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:09 AM

Downvoting because conventional wisdom is conventional.

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:17 PM

More time for sure. Also make sure you're not overdoing it on something (for some it's coconut milk, mine is usually beer, yours might be sweet potatoes for example). I think sometimes we can fall into the trap of not watching what we eat because it's paleo. I'm pretty carb-sensitive so have to monitor my intake of even paleo-safe carbs when I start to feel soft around the midsection.

3960d381831b80ad96164f34e2ab6030

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:39 PM

4000 a day supplement plus I try to get out and get sun. But my sun exposure right now is very low I'd say. Was much better this summer.

3960d381831b80ad96164f34e2ab6030

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on September 26, 2011
at 02:53 PM

I don't eat dairy. Right now, the only nuts I eat are from almond flour that I will eat in a paleo cookie I make. Again, not often

3960d381831b80ad96164f34e2ab6030

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on September 26, 2011
at 02:51 PM

Well, I don't drink, so maybe it's just a matter of time. Like I said, I've only been doing this eating window consistently for about a week.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:50 PM

I dropped fat when my eating window was smaller--like 4 to 6 hours.

I can easily eat over my maintenance level with an 8 hour eating window.

Also, dropping "aerobic exercise" frequency & adding in more "moving slowly" can help. Lower cortisol is essential for that last bit of belly fat.

You don't sound like a candidate for the leptin reset, from what you've shared, IMO.

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on September 26, 2011
at 02:23 PM

You sound very much like me but a couple of inches taller. Dropped from 185/190 to 160/165 over the past year on LC paleo. I cut back on cardio (now just do HIIT) and started body weight and kettlebell exercises. I leaned out nicely but still had a bit of a belly bump at 165. Two things seemed to make it go away: daily eating window (12-8) and almost completely cutting out booze. Once I stuck to those 2 things, it was a matter of about 3 weeks and no belly. That was until this past June. With summer came increased booze consumption / decreased quality sleep. The belly came back with a vengeance and I was 170 lbs by August. Have reintroduced the above strategy and it's coming back off again.

3960d381831b80ad96164f34e2ab6030

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on September 26, 2011
at 02:51 PM

Well, I don't drink, so maybe it's just a matter of time. Like I said, I've only been doing this eating window consistently for about a week.

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:17 PM

More time for sure. Also make sure you're not overdoing it on something (for some it's coconut milk, mine is usually beer, yours might be sweet potatoes for example). I think sometimes we can fall into the trap of not watching what we eat because it's paleo. I'm pretty carb-sensitive so have to monitor my intake of even paleo-safe carbs when I start to feel soft around the midsection.

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:27 PM

I think different things work for different people. I would stick with the IF for a while, and be as strict as possible to give it a fair chance. If you go for a month or two and if you feel like you are not getting the results you would like, then move on. Then at least you know it wasn???t for you.

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:47 PM

Primal movements are fine, but I would drop the aerobics. It keeps cortisol high which inhibits fat burning, especially around the mid-section.

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:47 PM

Speaking from experience, belly fat is an absolute pain in the gut. :)

One thing I'd caution you about, though, is expecting results from a week's worth of fasting alone. It has taken me a few months to get as lean as I am now, and I'm still (admittedly) not where I want to be in terms of body composition.

If I can offer a few tips:

  1. Cut out the snacks. Nixing the gut won't force you to count calories, but it does require that you might be a little more mindful of them overall. Eat two meals a day, keep exercise consistent, and try to cut down on excess snacks if you don't actually need them to feel full.

  2. You might not need a refeed just yet. What I've been doing recently is keeping my carb intake around 50g daily for a few weeks before doing a refeed on the (second) weekend. This combined with daily intermittent fasting has given me the best results I've seen in months, as reduced carb intake during the week also helps keep my calories low enough to really burn that excess belly fat.

  3. Give it time. Above all else, this is the most important thing to do. The body has built-in mechanisms to hold on to this stubborn fat, so don't expect them to vanish within a few days to a week. It'll take time, so don't stress -- you're on the right path, for one, and you're still in the best shape you've probably ever been in, so don't forget that whenever you're poking your gut in front of the mirror.

Hope this helps! :)

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:26 PM

I'd go with the leptin reset over the IF. To be sure you are LR, you can get tested. If all you have is some belly fat, you will probably notice a big difference in 2-3 weeks. Most people on the MDA reset thread have other issues that take longer to fix. Read what Dr. Kruse has to say about doing IF when you are LR. He does not think it is a good idea at all.

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11838116de44ae449df0563f09bd3d73

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on September 26, 2011
at 07:07 PM

Your not a good candidate for the "reset", even assuming that processes speeds increasing leptin sensitivity. You're too lean and doing too well eating paleo. Sounds like you're in healthy homeostasis and will need to carefully use the right bodybuilding techniques to get to lower bf%. You might start with 40g carbs per day and no snacking. Maybe get some calipers to really know how you're doing.

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:19 PM

Do you get enough sun/vit D?

3960d381831b80ad96164f34e2ab6030

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:39 PM

4000 a day supplement plus I try to get out and get sun. But my sun exposure right now is very low I'd say. Was much better this summer.

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:15 PM

How old are you? For men over 35, I think it's perfectly healthy and natural not to have single digit body fat, and to carry a bit of fat under the skin on the belly, even while eating extremely clean. Most animals experience some fat gain with age, even eating a biologically appropriate diet. I see it with my dogs and cats (who have been raw fed/zero carb for 6 year, my cats for their entire lives).

That's my contribution as I have no experience with weight loss and it seems very different methods work for different members of the 'paleo' community. Do you have any symptoms of leptin resistance?

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on September 26, 2011
at 01:55 PM

My first thought was sleep but you say you get 8-9 hours per night so that's great. Give this thing a shot and see what happens, you can always go back to IFing if you want.

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39ccdc07ecb843b6399e0df9c1a6aa1a

on September 26, 2011
at 01:54 PM

I don't have the answer for you on IFing vs. the leptin reset. However, at 5"11 165-170 you sound like you are at an appropriate weight. You may want to trying adding muscle and it may help with the belly fat.

I tried working out fasted the last few days and have not been very happy with my workouts. I really enjoy walking fasted and IFing but working out fasting does not seem to get me great results. What I will be trying over the next few weeks is working out 1/2 an hour to an hour after eating a little bit of starch (something like half a sweet potato).

Do you eat dairy or nuts often by chance?

3960d381831b80ad96164f34e2ab6030

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on September 26, 2011
at 02:53 PM

I don't eat dairy. Right now, the only nuts I eat are from almond flour that I will eat in a paleo cookie I make. Again, not often

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:59 PM

How much did you weigh when you started paleo a year ago? I went from 220 to 175 (5'11)in the past year, and still have the ol' spare tire. I've had it since I was a kid and I'm 46 now--so not expecting to lose it overnight.

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on September 27, 2011
at 08:43 AM

just testing -- browser acting up.

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on October 27, 2011
at 11:23 PM

I would look at blood type. Refine/weed out foods. Not sure about LR myself... I do IF and am pretty attatched to it but have gotten in to more of a Joel Marion/Jon Benson type weekly reset simply from eating more carbs one day a week. I wake up feeling great the next day. My weight is fairly plateaued and low irregardless of what I do though...... Fwiw, Brad Pilon, the Eat Stop Eat guy, says leptin isn't the end all be all master hormone people think it is.

I btw don't use dairy or wheat on my high calorie nights-- I just gorge on normal paleo food.

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on October 27, 2011
at 11:42 PM

I think augury is a better way to decide what to eat. When I see a vulture in the sky, I don't eat chicken for a week. When I see a woodpecker, I-...well, that's private.

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on September 27, 2011
at 01:55 AM

Dude, if you really wanna lose weight, you have to eat at least 6 times a day. I know, sounds ridiculous, but 5 years of experience in the area speaks for itself. Counting calories to lose weight is also really important. Your meals have to be equally split calorie-wise.

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:16 AM

I don't really agree with six times per day. I agree that tracking what one eats usually aids in weightloss goals

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:09 AM

Downvoting because conventional wisdom is conventional.

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