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Low meal frequency and hair loss

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Hello all,

I'm freaking out a little. Ok, I'm full-on panicking.

As you may have seen from my previous question on here, I've experienced declining appetite to the point where I have breakfast early and dinner very late. I just am not hungry in between. This has been going on a while - a few months. Just this week I noticed that my hair is thinner. A lot thinner, and in a wierd way - the shorter new growth is still the same thickness, but the longer sections have thinned out considerably.

I must mention that my hair has been treated a lot, and the ends are considerably damaged, so perhaps that is the cause of the longer hairs falling out, but I think I'd have noticed the end portion just falling off if it happened.

I had much thicker hair when I ate 3 times a day, before I discovered fasting and kind of got into it (perhaps too much). And this is kind of confirming my fears that I'm not getting enough nutrition. Please help me, I am having a panic attack over this. What nutrients are needed for hair growth?

I hate to repeat things I asked in a previous question, but I didn't get a concrete answer there so I have no choice. Is this because my digestion is sluggish? Is it that its taking me 10 hours to digest my breakfast? I'm pretty sure I'm not in ketosis, I eat fruit and starchy root vegetables. I don't want to, and cannot allow myself to, gain weight, but I'd like to be able to have lunch again and still get hungry for dinner. That will also help with my strategy of not freaking my family out too much. I've now stopped doing planned fasts; I find that even if I snack on something small during the day, I have no appetite in the evening. So its always just 2 meals a day.

Also, I'd like to know what nutrients are required for hair growth, where to get them, what supplements you recommend. I eat dairy, organs, bone broth, raw sauerkraut, wild oily fish, take fish oil, High vitamin butter oil & a supplement called perfectil (skin/hair/nails), which is basically a multivitamin with added antioxidants. I sleep enough. I supplement vitamin D.

Thank you in advance.

Milla

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on February 25, 2012
at 05:46 AM

if a person is suffering/has suffered telogen effluvium, they may also notice a groove across the nails. http://dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/telogen-effluvium.html "Because nail and hair growth are under the same influences, an arrest in hair growth is often mirrored in the nails by a groove across them coinciding with the time of the shock to the system. This is called a Beau's line. The time of the shock can be estimated from the fact that a finger nail takes 5 months to grow from the posterior nail fold to the free edge"

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on February 25, 2012
at 05:45 AM

if a person is/has suffered telogen effluvium, they may also notice a groove across the nails. http://dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/telogen-effluvium.html "Because nail and hair growth are under the same influences, an arrest in hair growth is often mirrored in the nails by a groove across them coinciding with the time of the shock to the system. This is called a Beau's line. The time of the shock can be estimated from the fact that a finger nail takes 5 months to grow from the posterior nail fold to the free edge"

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on February 25, 2012
at 05:25 AM

looks like you are describing "telogen effluvium". this has been discussed a bit on paleohacks. do a google site search to see them:....telogen effluvium site:paleohacks.com....

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on February 23, 2012
at 11:42 AM

That's true but how many carbs do you eat in a day? Roddy recommends that more calories come from carbs than fat. His sample meal plan includes quite a bit of carbs including orange juice with added sugar and ice cream.

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on February 23, 2012
at 12:20 AM

Danny recommends more carbs (and mentions starches, which I eat from root veg), dairy (which I eat), gelatinous cuts over muscle meat (I cook with bones a lot, and I like organs), lots of shellfish (I eat a lot of them)

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on February 22, 2012
at 10:32 PM

Yeah this.......

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on February 22, 2012
at 06:24 PM

Danny Roddy has a blog about nutrition and hair loss and specifically discusses this issue with regards to the paleo diet.

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on February 23, 2012
at 12:20 AM

Danny recommends more carbs (and mentions starches, which I eat from root veg), dairy (which I eat), gelatinous cuts over muscle meat (I cook with bones a lot, and I like organs), lots of shellfish (I eat a lot of them)

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(1801)

on February 23, 2012
at 11:42 AM

That's true but how many carbs do you eat in a day? Roddy recommends that more calories come from carbs than fat. His sample meal plan includes quite a bit of carbs including orange juice with added sugar and ice cream.

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on February 22, 2012
at 07:31 PM

Less stress. More food. More Zinc. Magnesium.

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on February 22, 2012
at 06:31 PM

You may want to have your doctor run a full thyroid panel.

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on February 22, 2012
at 06:18 PM

Low calorie = hair loss. Check your calories. Also, Biotin helps hair.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on February 22, 2012
at 10:32 PM

Yeah this.......

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on February 22, 2012
at 05:57 PM

Well, if low meal frequency causes hair loss I'm in big trouble, because I'm currently following ADF (alternate-day fasting) and I go close to 48 hours at a time without eating solid foods. :-))

I've only been doing ADF for about a week, but so far no change in the amount of hair on my brush. Overall, my hair is the thickest it's ever been after 9 months of eating modern foods with an ancestral view.

Before I started ADF I had done months of IF (intermittent fasting) in which I ate a large meal and didn't eat again for about 24 hours so I can testify that (in my place on the bell curve, as Melissa says) IF did not cause my hair to thin at all.

The only things I'm aware of that ever caused my hair to get thinner were: chronic malnutrition (junk food), anxiety/stress, commercial shampoos and professional hair care. When I stay out of beauty salons, use no shampoo or soap nut extract shampoo and eat whole foods my hair is soft, thick (for me) and non-itchy. I haven't cut my hair since last spring and I don't have split ends.

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on March 07, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I have found that keeping stress low, not having excessive caffeine, getting enough sleep, eating small balanced meals throughout the day, keeping inflammation in check, has helped my hair. I include in my diet,bone broth,eggs,oysters, OJ and kale. I also added the spice turmeric to my diet. It's not just one thing but a synergistic effect of many.

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on February 25, 2012
at 04:40 AM

Totally random person just finding this but here goes - I had this last year after doing HCG. The thing is the hair are losing is likely due to some nutritional change about 2 months ago, not what you are doing now. Once the root kills the hair it can take 2 months to fall out. The fact that your new growth is thicker and is there is a good sign. Did something change 1-2 months ago? Perhaps that is when you first started fasting? Anyway, the second time I did the hcg, I took biotin and used biotin shampoo and did not experience the hair loss again and my new growth stayed and my hair is fine. The key is changing your diet now and taking supplements is not going to save the hair that is destined to fall out as again this is from something you did 1-2 months ago. But your hair will grow back. And it's unlikely so much will fall out that it will really be noticible (well for me it was very noticable but others didn't see it). And of couse as others said you can see a doctor as well if you feel there could be more to it than that. It was just my experience. BTW, no I don't plan to do HCG again and am looking into the Paleo diet.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:46 AM

if a person is suffering/has suffered telogen effluvium, they may also notice a groove across the nails. http://dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/telogen-effluvium.html "Because nail and hair growth are under the same influences, an arrest in hair growth is often mirrored in the nails by a groove across them coinciding with the time of the shock to the system. This is called a Beau's line. The time of the shock can be estimated from the fact that a finger nail takes 5 months to grow from the posterior nail fold to the free edge"

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:45 AM

if a person is/has suffered telogen effluvium, they may also notice a groove across the nails. http://dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/telogen-effluvium.html "Because nail and hair growth are under the same influences, an arrest in hair growth is often mirrored in the nails by a groove across them coinciding with the time of the shock to the system. This is called a Beau's line. The time of the shock can be estimated from the fact that a finger nail takes 5 months to grow from the posterior nail fold to the free edge"

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:25 AM

looks like you are describing "telogen effluvium". this has been discussed a bit on paleohacks. do a google site search to see them:....telogen effluvium site:paleohacks.com....

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