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Leangains vs. leptin

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 19, 2012 at 2:36 PM

According to much of the advice I've read surrounding leptin, the leangains approach is not very healthy. Skipping breakfast, eating at night, etc. I've tried each of them and leangains works much better for me. I'm just not very hungry in the morning and I like eating a large lunch and dinner (I've been eating two meals a day so that's not exactly leangains, I know). I've been skipping breakfast for about two weeks and have lost 7lbs without any calorie counting and a couple minor cheats. I'm not all that active right now, I sleep very well, no alarm clock, etc.

So what's going on here? Sorry for the vagueness. Why is leangains healthy and effective given that it violates some of the leptin rules?

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 23, 2012
at 10:47 AM

There's a feeding window of 8 or so hours. It doesn't have to be 3 meals, but 2-3 meals is reasonable in that time frame.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 23, 2012
at 10:45 AM

Jeff, no, I'm just a night owl.

C959587a8ec1105a3cbe34baaf40562f

on January 20, 2012
at 04:05 PM

Haha, right now where I live the sun sets before I get out of work.

C959587a8ec1105a3cbe34baaf40562f

on January 20, 2012
at 04:03 PM

My reading was that leangains is one meal at 12pm, another in the late afternoon, and then dinner at 8 or 9pm. Maybe I missed something, but I don't remember reading anything on the site that talked about anything except three meals per day.

C959587a8ec1105a3cbe34baaf40562f

on January 20, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Sorry, I guess I was a little unclear in my question. I've been eating breakfast all my life. Food doesn't repulse me in the morning, I just don't crave it. Three meals per day seems to make me likely to binge at night. I figured I had some kind of hormonal imbalance/resistance. When I stopped eating breakfast it went away overnight. It's been about two weeks now and I haven't had a craving once. I really like big meals, if I eat breakfast and then I'm never satisfied with a normal size dinner.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on January 20, 2012
at 02:30 PM

wisper is that because you have a night job?

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 20, 2012
at 11:16 AM

Depends on what you mean by "average." Given that 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese, 18-20% is awfully low - but I'd say that "should" be the average.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 20, 2012
at 11:14 AM

I eat my last meal around 1-2am, go to bed at 3am, no issues.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 20, 2012
at 11:13 AM

Why isn't two meals a day LG?

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on January 20, 2012
at 01:27 AM

Try being outside when the sun is setting... The color of light emitted from the sun at that time should start a whole signaling cascade of hormones that among other things should make you less hungry. Also, avoiding bright indoor light (tv, etc) after dark will also keep you full. TS Wiley's book 'lights out' explains a lot of this. Also, leptin levels rise at night and these should alleviate hunger.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on January 20, 2012
at 12:29 AM

No issues without eating at night? I'm sure one could adapt, but I just feel like I need to eat when the sun goes down.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on January 19, 2012
at 05:06 PM

Plus one to JayJay above because his point is spot on.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on January 19, 2012
at 05:06 PM

I disagree.....IFing helps sensitize you to leptin, increases your PPAR gamma functioning all while increasing insulin sensitivity to increase body comp. The only issue is you should not do it if you are LR. Once you fix that IFing is an awesome tool

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on January 19, 2012
at 04:25 PM

Cause the leptin "rules" are only for if you are leptin resistant? Not everyone is.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

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on January 19, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Most "rules" involving diet are usually just pure speculation. Do whatever works, and when it stops working do something else.

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on January 19, 2012
at 11:45 PM

The leptin 'rules' are meant to reset sensitivity, as mentioned above. As someone who is leptin sensitive, I still follow the 'rules' for the most part and it really works well. I also include some IF as well as fasted workouts however.

Eating soon after rising may not sound appealing but your body will adapt within a week or so and you may find it works for you. My ideal meal pattern is a big protein and fat breakfast around 8 and another big meal around 3, without needing any snacks. This gives me a 17hr fast without feeling like I'm putting much stress on my body, and is quite easy to do (and convenient).

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on January 20, 2012
at 01:27 AM

Try being outside when the sun is setting... The color of light emitted from the sun at that time should start a whole signaling cascade of hormones that among other things should make you less hungry. Also, avoiding bright indoor light (tv, etc) after dark will also keep you full. TS Wiley's book 'lights out' explains a lot of this. Also, leptin levels rise at night and these should alleviate hunger.

C959587a8ec1105a3cbe34baaf40562f

on January 20, 2012
at 04:05 PM

Haha, right now where I live the sun sets before I get out of work.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on January 20, 2012
at 12:29 AM

No issues without eating at night? I'm sure one could adapt, but I just feel like I need to eat when the sun goes down.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 20, 2012
at 11:14 AM

I eat my last meal around 1-2am, go to bed at 3am, no issues.

C959587a8ec1105a3cbe34baaf40562f

on January 20, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Sorry, I guess I was a little unclear in my question. I've been eating breakfast all my life. Food doesn't repulse me in the morning, I just don't crave it. Three meals per day seems to make me likely to binge at night. I figured I had some kind of hormonal imbalance/resistance. When I stopped eating breakfast it went away overnight. It's been about two weeks now and I haven't had a craving once. I really like big meals, if I eat breakfast and then I'm never satisfied with a normal size dinner.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on January 20, 2012
at 02:30 PM

wisper is that because you have a night job?

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 23, 2012
at 10:45 AM

Jeff, no, I'm just a night owl.

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on January 19, 2012
at 03:42 PM

Because most advice is based on individuals who have an abnormal hormonal makeup compared to ancestors. Average male is what 18-20% bf?

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 20, 2012
at 11:16 AM

Depends on what you mean by "average." Given that 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese, 18-20% is awfully low - but I'd say that "should" be the average.

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