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Intermittent Fasting and Liver "Cramps." Too fast?

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Created October 11, 2012 at 7:04 AM

I am trying out a modified "Bulletproof Executive" style Intermittent Fast using coffee and coconut oil (about 3 to 4 cups of coffee with 1 to 2 tablespoons of coconut oil a day until 2pm) followed by a paleo friendly meal around 6pm. I have also been drinking plenty of filtered water with a pinch of salt.

Today I felt a cramp which came and went about 4 times in about 5 minutes around where my liver would be. I could not tell if it was under my ribs or not but it got me thinking:

Can an IF be too fast, ie release too many toxins from body fat? And could this tax the liver, kidneys, etc?

EDIT: Too much information alert. This may or may not be related but today I experienced a sudden onset of painful urination and and a bit of a wild stream. It was like something was blocking the stream right at the "end". I think this fast may be getting out some kidney/bladder stones. Or it could be that I was adding a pinch of salt to every glass of water I drank for the last week.

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on October 12, 2012
at 02:50 AM

I was thinking that it may just be a fluke as mentioned below and that I might need to add in some electrolyte replacement other than the odd sprinkle of salt into my water. There is a "lite" salt which is half sodium and half potassium from memory so I might need to track that down again as it was a pretty cheap source of potassium outside of purchased supplements.

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on October 12, 2012
at 02:48 AM

I'll check out bile production as it relates to fasting. I also fixed up what is in my coffee to make it clearer. My coffee may not be Bulletproof (in that it meets the criteria of being free from mycotoxins - and I didn't buy it from Bulletproof Exec either) but it isn't the cheapest stuff in the shop (not that that makes much of a difference).

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on October 12, 2012
at 02:44 AM

I don;t know about the coffee but the coconut oil definitely loosens up the bowels. Although that has slowed down at day 5 so I guess it cleaned out what it needed to.

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at 02:43 AM

That was my primary thought. It does feel like a muscle cramp but it started to tighten up again today in the same spot but stopped.

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on October 12, 2012
at 12:01 AM

Well coffee makes my gut sick. Speeding up digestion if thats what it does, isnt always kind on your gut. Theres something called mycotoxins (not sure if thats exactly it), that grows in coffee beans that gives alot of people diarehha apparently.

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I would argue the fact that coffee is not friendly to digestion. I know at least 2 people who find coffee lets them poop much easier and more regularly. It's also supposed to be good for the liver and if your adrenals are in good shape, you'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING bad to say about coffee.

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on October 11, 2012
at 10:40 AM

It was probably a fluke that just happen to coincide with your fast.

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on October 12, 2012
at 02:43 AM

That was my primary thought. It does feel like a muscle cramp but it started to tighten up again today in the same spot but stopped.

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on October 11, 2012
at 10:10 AM

That's likely your gall bladder trying to release bile that it no longer has, or if you've had it removed, the remnant muscle trying to deal with the fat.

I hope that by 3-4 cups a day you mean of bulletproof coffee and not coconut oil. :)

Coconut oil is about 50% MCTs, this doesn't require bile, but the remainder does. Perhaps you're going too fast? Work your way up with less coconut oil and slowly titrate up. Or supplement with ox-bile/digestive enzymes.

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on October 12, 2012
at 02:48 AM

I'll check out bile production as it relates to fasting. I also fixed up what is in my coffee to make it clearer. My coffee may not be Bulletproof (in that it meets the criteria of being free from mycotoxins - and I didn't buy it from Bulletproof Exec either) but it isn't the cheapest stuff in the shop (not that that makes much of a difference).

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on October 11, 2012
at 07:58 AM

Gallbladder stones, or sphincter of oddi? Gallbladder if its sick can cause pain there. Just one idea. Either that or your digestive system doesnt like coconut oil (Coffee aint to freindly to digestion either tho)..

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 12, 2012
at 12:01 AM

Well coffee makes my gut sick. Speeding up digestion if thats what it does, isnt always kind on your gut. Theres something called mycotoxins (not sure if thats exactly it), that grows in coffee beans that gives alot of people diarehha apparently.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on October 11, 2012
at 02:00 PM

I would argue the fact that coffee is not friendly to digestion. I know at least 2 people who find coffee lets them poop much easier and more regularly. It's also supposed to be good for the liver and if your adrenals are in good shape, you'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING bad to say about coffee.

4b9077bdc5240ddeb48b2125c1bd6265

(158)

on October 12, 2012
at 02:44 AM

I don;t know about the coffee but the coconut oil definitely loosens up the bowels. Although that has slowed down at day 5 so I guess it cleaned out what it needed to.

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