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Insatiable hunger after IFing

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 31, 2011 at 12:43 AM

I just IFed for the first time. I've played with full on fast and juice fasting in the past, but this is my first time doing any kind of fasting while on a paleo diet. The fasting period was no problem. 18 hours of not eating was cake. It was even a little bit relaxing. However, after words, I haven't been able to shake the feeling of hunger. I ate about an 900 calorie lunch (coconut oil, sardines, sausage, starch and some fruit) and then drank a can of coconut milk and just threw a hundred grams of starch down the hatch with some avocado. I'm going to go work out and then down a pound of ground beef with pan fried potatoes and spinach. What do you make of this?

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on April 05, 2011
at 03:02 AM

Stephen is spot on. I ALWAYS break a fast with a minimum of 1lbs of grassfed beef. And then I sleep... like a full burped baby.

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on April 02, 2011
at 11:13 PM

I seem to have recovered alright.

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on April 02, 2011
at 03:44 PM

Two tubs of gelato is A LOT of sugar. I've you've been running mainly on fat for the past few weeks, that's going to screw up your hunger trigger system.

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on April 02, 2011
at 11:09 AM

I think you'll find that in the long run, your body will run better off the Okinowan 80% full principle, and its still very comforting and enjoyable at that point.

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on April 02, 2011
at 11:08 AM

Eating till you are really really full is a bad idea. Damaging to your system, and more difficult for digestion. I can tell my immune system and inflammation spike if I overeat even on perfect paleo-fare. In addition, if you do this with Starches/Fruits included, youre going to set yourself up for a horrible insulin rollercoaster.

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on April 02, 2011
at 10:03 AM

Exactamundo ....

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 02, 2011
at 08:58 AM

for several reasons. intense exercise increases insulin sensitivity being the most important there. that and better nutrient partitioning.

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on April 02, 2011
at 08:50 AM

I assume breaking a fast in a post-workout situation is different for you.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on April 02, 2011
at 06:31 AM

I was pretty darn well hydrated. I did drink tea during the early parts of the morning before the fast was over. The starches were white rice based which I don't mention because paleo people flip at the mention of rice even though it's pretty much the same as a tuber.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on April 02, 2011
at 06:28 AM

That's exactly the feeling.

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on April 02, 2011
at 05:28 AM

what's not mentioned here is what you drank (aside from the can of coconut milk, which I'm gonna count as food to be metabolized). What were you drinking during and after your fast? Were you confusing your body's signals for hunger and thirst a bit (easy to do)? Could a mild dehydration have played a role? Also, what were the generic "starches" you refer to? Your "lunch" sounds like a grab bag of every category and flavor- you have fat protein starch and sugar all at once. Maybe try breaking your fast with hot tea or hot water and either a protein/fat combo or starch/sugar meal but not all 4?

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on April 02, 2011
at 03:04 AM

Two tubs of gelato and a tub of greek goat's yogurt. I calculated that the yogurt alone was 176% of my daily recommended intake of saturated fat and was pleased with myself.

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on April 02, 2011
at 02:40 AM

In technical terms: your hypothalamus is pissed at you. You likely scared him to death. He thought you guys were going to starve and now he's showing you who is boss. In even more technical terms: you need to make it so your brain thinks that you are not going to starve. This could be accomplished by eating a lot of food (overfeeding) for a few weeks, or by making IFing a frequent thing. That is my most-likely-correct-pseudo-scientific explanation.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 31, 2011
at 03:12 AM

I don't mind hunger. But the presence of hunger confuses me after I've consumed several thousand calories in a three hour period.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 31, 2011
at 01:01 AM

That puts me at around 2000 calories on the day so far. I'll put down another grand for dinner.

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on April 02, 2011
at 07:43 AM

in short, what you describe is why I try to always break a fast with a low carb meal.

Your body has been running on ketones for a while, and you shock it with sugar... starch and fruit, its going to be understandably pissed as it tries to quickly shock your system back over to sugar burning mode with a bolus of insulin. This extra insulin is likely compounding by an insulin resistant situation, resulting in low blood sugar, resulting in ravenous hunger...

Now over time, IFing often, this effect will be seriously blunted, as your system becomes more used to and efficient at making that transition back and forth.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on April 02, 2011
at 08:50 AM

I assume breaking a fast in a post-workout situation is different for you.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 02, 2011
at 10:03 AM

Exactamundo ....

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 02, 2011
at 08:58 AM

for several reasons. intense exercise increases insulin sensitivity being the most important there. that and better nutrient partitioning.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on April 05, 2011
at 03:02 AM

Stephen is spot on. I ALWAYS break a fast with a minimum of 1lbs of grassfed beef. And then I sleep... like a full burped baby.

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065bc9a541c742defb28b9c58ad34fbd

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on April 02, 2011
at 03:00 AM

This just happened to me! I was going to post a question about it because I thought it was a premenstrual thing. Good to know that it's not - unless Andrew is a girl's name?

It was an interesting hunger - my stomach wasn't growling and I didn't feel lightheaded but I just wanted to eat EVERYTHING. It wasn't even a particular craving - there was just something in me saying "EAT MORE." Because of the premenstrual thing I indulged a bit - I ate two tubs (probably a litre in total) of gelato in one sitting. Didn't even feel full.

Next time I'm going to be prepared and have much more meat around.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on April 02, 2011
at 03:44 PM

Two tubs of gelato is A LOT of sugar. I've you've been running mainly on fat for the past few weeks, that's going to screw up your hunger trigger system.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on April 02, 2011
at 06:28 AM

That's exactly the feeling.

065bc9a541c742defb28b9c58ad34fbd

(1783)

on April 02, 2011
at 11:13 PM

I seem to have recovered alright.

065bc9a541c742defb28b9c58ad34fbd

(1783)

on April 02, 2011
at 03:04 AM

Two tubs of gelato and a tub of greek goat's yogurt. I calculated that the yogurt alone was 176% of my daily recommended intake of saturated fat and was pleased with myself.

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on March 31, 2011
at 02:14 AM

I try to get ALL of my daily caloric needs in the window between 11am and 8pm every day. This is a loose guide that changes all the time, but I try to get all three meals in if I can. It doesn't happen when I miss a workout day because I'm just not hungry, but on days where I lift heavy I may get well over 3000 calories in during my window. I'll have breakfast at noon, lunch at 3, and dinner at 7. I also try to drink at least a gallon of water a day.

I kind of like the hunger. It makes the meals just so much better tasting. I earned them.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on March 31, 2011
at 03:12 AM

I don't mind hunger. But the presence of hunger confuses me after I've consumed several thousand calories in a three hour period.

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on April 05, 2011
at 08:25 PM

I'm guessing it's a little psychosomatic response to your one IF attempt.

I IF with an 18hr window somewhere between 6-7pm and noonish a few times/week. I train first before I break fast. Working out, for me anyway, acts as an appetite suppressant and I can eat a normal meal and not gorge within an hour after I train.

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on April 02, 2011
at 02:32 AM

Eat until you feel really really full. I have been doing that and in the process am learning a lot more about when I am actually hungry, and how long in fact I can go before feeling the need to eat again. Getting myself really full was the key to learning about my appetite. And feeling reaaly full of good paleo food is somehow deeply satisfying.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 02, 2011
at 11:09 AM

I think you'll find that in the long run, your body will run better off the Okinowan 80% full principle, and its still very comforting and enjoyable at that point.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 02, 2011
at 11:08 AM

Eating till you are really really full is a bad idea. Damaging to your system, and more difficult for digestion. I can tell my immune system and inflammation spike if I overeat even on perfect paleo-fare. In addition, if you do this with Starches/Fruits included, youre going to set yourself up for a horrible insulin rollercoaster.

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on April 06, 2011
at 06:42 PM

Patience is key. You won't get a sugar spike from a paleo meal, so you won't feel immediately full unless you eat so much that you physically stretch your stomach lining, which I wouldn't advocate.

Eat a typical meal slowly and wait an hour. Then adjust as needed.

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