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If you were suddenly diagnosed with cancer, what would you do?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 03, 2012 at 2:07 PM

As much as I love Paleo I wonder what I'd do if I got a sudden diagnosis of cancer. While we love to bash the vegans I do believe there's tremendous value in some of their approaches to healing, in particular water fasting, juice fasting, organ detoxification, herbs (especially in high doses), Dr. Schulze's "Incurables Program," saunas, and other things. One of the things I learned in my exploration of raw veganism once upon a time was that there's a difference between a diet for rapid healing, a diet for rebuilding health, and a diet for maintaining health. I think Paleo is great for rebuilding and maintaining but I wouldn't trust it for rapid healing.

If I were staring cancer in the face I'd want to ease the digestive load on my body while getting lots of nutrients into me (would probably consume large amounts of non-sugary vegetable juices), and I would want to make sure things were moving out quickly. I'd also make sure to get enough sun exposure, clean up any crappy relationships I had, develop relationships that got me out of my narcissistic self, get emotional support, and find a health practitioner that wouldn't push towards chemo or radiation.

What would you do? Would you bet your life on your current diet? And, if you've been Paleo for a while, how would that affect your decision-making?

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on November 14, 2013
at 05:27 PM

I would take out some slob ass bitches before i check out.

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on November 14, 2013
at 05:00 PM

I would go on The Gerson Therapy. My Mom was a Cancer survivor for 18 yrs. on this diet. It was a car accident that killed her not the Melanoma. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbIixJI_oa4

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on November 14, 2013
at 02:43 PM

Vegan diets are usually high carb, cancer feeds on glucose so thats not optimal. I would challenge your notion by positing the question of Ketosis. Starve the cancer through a high fat moderate protein diet.

check out this pubmed article on ketosis as brain cancer treatment:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17313687

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on July 30, 2013
at 08:15 PM

A very strict ketogenic diet. Cancer is supposed to be fueled by glucose. So much for veganism ...

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on July 16, 2013
at 01:38 AM

All that hoodoo? No thanks!

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on April 26, 2013
at 07:23 PM

Awesome! Congratulations!

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on April 26, 2013
at 12:28 PM

arugula, i'd love to see an update on how you are doing at this time.

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on April 26, 2013
at 12:27 PM

We also did colon cleansing, infrared sauna, aqua chi foot detox and alkaline water from a filter. We did these things throughout the whole process. We avoided gluten as much as possible and never ate refined sugar or chemical sugar substitutes.

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on June 21, 2012
at 10:45 PM

I just read this post, and had written comments below about Hippocrates Institute- I agree that the protocol they follow there is probably the best idea and certainly what I would do if I found out I had cancer.

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on June 21, 2012
at 10:43 PM

As hard as it can be to realize- this is NOT blaming the patient but rather pointing out the fact that WE ALL play a major role in healing ourselves. A doctor alone cannot do it. We need to work within ourselves in order for true healing to occur. As far as the vegan aspect- I believe in eating healthy meats but when you are so ill you are told you have months to live I think what your body needs is easy to assimilate nutrients and antioxidants- juices, sprouts, perhaps bone-broth- look up the Hippocrates Institute in Florida- it is all vegan but has a ridiculously high recovery rate.

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on June 07, 2012
at 08:02 PM

I had significant muscle cell death in my heart, especially in the right atria, causing the right atria to become weakened. They put in a teflon mesh to support the atria so that it didn't "lean" on the tricuspid valve (sort of like having to use a cane to walk), but I still have rhythm irregularities, and will for the rest of my life.

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on June 07, 2012
at 06:43 AM

What damage occured to your heart?

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on June 07, 2012
at 02:50 AM

I would water fast too - while I don't go for Dr. Joel Fuhrman's vegetarian lifestyle recommendations, he has a lot of clinical data on water fasting and its breakdown of tissues.

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on June 06, 2012
at 09:18 PM

I wish you the best in your healing. Thank you for sharing your experience.

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on June 06, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Wow! SPOT ON! +1 for you!

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on June 06, 2012
at 03:11 AM

I haven't. I don't see why that should affect my answer though.

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on June 05, 2012
at 02:16 PM

@canard, it's only harmful if you do it all at once, also, most skin cancers show up in places that don't get any sun at all, and D3 is anti-carcinogenic. Also, some sunscreens react with sunlight to create ROS, which are carcinogenic. It's safer to get sunlight than not, or get it with sunscreen.

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on June 05, 2012
at 02:16 PM

1) and 2) sound like total buffalo droppings. i.e. blame the patient for your failure as a healer - understandably, not every treatment will work for every patient, but this smells of BS.

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on June 05, 2012
at 11:34 AM

Steve Jobs is a good example of what not to do when you have a treatable cancer. No doubt that he died prematurely, and really didn't end up with extra quality of life.

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on June 05, 2012
at 10:55 AM

Sounds like what Steve Jobs decided to do. Didn't work out so well for him.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on June 05, 2012
at 01:56 AM

Have you had cancer, Meaty?

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 04, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Here's the thing about cancer treatment people are staking their lives on it actually working. It's not like acne or IBS.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 04, 2012
at 10:08 PM

@GPS - when I started eating paleo, my previous 40 years of life experience, education, and worldview (which admittedly is pretty skeptical and analytical) did not evaporate -- I'm still me, just a slightly thinner, happier, carnivorous me. :-)

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 04, 2012
at 10:04 PM

@Firestorm - clarification of goals is crucial. Every day I give chemo to women with early stage breast cancer who have minimal side effects (besides temp hair loss) and have an excellent chance of remaining cancer free for their lifetime. (I have also seen women who treated thei early stage breast cancer with herbs and diet and poultices until the tumor fungated and they had brain mets.) I've ALSO seen 80 yr olds with advanced pancreatic cancer take chemo that made them sick & weak & destroyed the little life they had left. Chemo, etc is not always appropriate - sometimes it is.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 04, 2012
at 09:52 PM

@Sol - I agree that the nutrition info/advice that is sanctioned by NCI is just as useless as the advice sanctioned by all the NIH. Most oncologists don't really care what you eat - they are mostly not convinced that the evidence is there to suggest it really changes outcomes. You get a lot if "everything in moderation." So don't bother asking an oncologist for nutritional advice, is my advice!

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:48 AM

too much sun is harmful, especially without sunscreen.

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:27 AM

Gosh the FDA also banned mercury, zirconium complexes, chloroform and methylene chloride in cosmetics. I guess that means those compounds cure disease, it couldn't be because they're dangerous. I haven't seen that documentary, but I have researched B17 enough to know there's not much, if any, convincing evidence it does anything but potentially give you cyanide poisoning. If you'd like to send me to some scientific evidence that actually supports your defense of B17 I would be very willing to look at it, but for now I'll say that recommending unproven cancer "cures" is messed up.

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Brunetti rejected the conventional treatment and went on to do far better than anyone could have predicted.

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:03 AM

I've met at WAPF conference - Jerry Brunetti who basically did low-carb Paleo with some colostrum to cure his cancer. He was diagnosed with non- Hodgkins lymphoma approximately ten years ago and told he had 6 months to live with conventional chemo! The commissions oncologists make on chemo are about 25% - they're not motivated to try other things! He has a book on cancer nutrition and healing.

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:00 AM

Have you seen the Burynski documentary about Texas doctor finding an alternative treatment that the government tried to put him on trial for multiple times but he has been acquitted - the government along with Big Pharma colluded to try to steal his patent!

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on June 04, 2012
at 01:50 AM

Matt, I would only go to the doctor for the diagnosis and maybe have the surgery to cut it out. Besides that I wouldn't take the recommended medicine, because I believe it kills you. I think there's natural solutions that can cure cancer, but the FDA squashes it because they're told to by big Pharma. There's too much money to be made.

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

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on June 04, 2012
at 01:41 AM

Edward Griffin did a documentary on it called A World Without Cancer, which I thought was interesting. Googling B17 or Laetrile will lead to a few sites. FDA banned Laetrile, so that's always a good sign that it probably works....at least to me it does.

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on June 04, 2012
at 12:34 AM

GPS–B17 does not "apparently" work. It's pseudoscience and I wish you would at least attempt to back up such a claim.

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on June 03, 2012
at 10:09 PM

Yes, Melissa has a point - not all cancers respond to keto, and you need to know what you're fighting. But most of the common ones that people encounter will be well fought with keto and keeping your insulin down in general (because lots of tumors have extra insulin receptors).

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on June 03, 2012
at 09:41 PM

It's about risk analysis. Modern medicine is not a panecea, but mysticism is not the answer either. I'm disturbed at the simple writing off of all modern cancer treatment being espoused by some.

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on June 03, 2012
at 08:58 PM

Amen, Firestorm! Complementary treatments? They do far more for the treatment than the poison you propose, goodgravymissmaisy.

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on June 03, 2012
at 08:53 PM

Cancer is a multi-billion dollar business. The drug companies are in bed with the FDA. I would not consider putting poisons into my body to "kill" the rogue cells, when in fact, it's killing the healthy cells, too.

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on June 03, 2012
at 07:48 PM

Thanks! Yes for sure on the grains!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 03, 2012
at 07:33 PM

So you wouldn't look at the treatment, the typical outcomes and then make an informed decision? Because that's what I'm proposing. I fully recognise that some treatments aren't worth the paltry extensions of life that they may or may not provide, particularly when quality of life suffers so much after the treatments.

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on June 03, 2012
at 07:10 PM

Good list and in addition Eliminate all grains - esp wheat.

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on June 03, 2012
at 07:00 PM

Thank you for your post, goodgravymiss.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 03, 2012
at 07:00 PM

You are a great source of inspiration! Thank you for sharing.

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

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on June 03, 2012
at 05:44 PM

I can't believe there's people on this page advocating the standard cancer treatment...it is actually blowing my mind.

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on June 03, 2012
at 05:44 PM

I disagree profoundly with this, as another individual working at a comprehensive cancer center. I see WAY too many cases where the "cure" does more damage than the cancer.

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

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on June 03, 2012
at 05:37 PM

Well, if thats what you would do great....but I would never do that. Chemo and Radiation basically kills you, hence why the FDA still approves it. Whoever is reading this, look up alternative methods to treating yourself. Go watch the burzynski movie - Cancer is a serious business, Edward Griffins - A world without cancer, and Jim humble's - MMS solutions.

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on June 03, 2012
at 04:50 PM

I'm glad that you survived breast cancer. I do wish, though, that the NCI had a clue about diet. They recommend: "Lots of fruits and vegetables, and whole grain breads and cereals, Modest amounts of meat and milk products, Small amounts of fat, sugar, alcohol, and salt. I can't speak to whether they're enlightened about cancer treatment but I do wish they'd research diet.

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on June 03, 2012
at 04:45 PM

I would do a lot of research on the specific cancer, consult the most knowledgeable specialists (doctors and researchers in the field) with the best records that I could find, and not ask for what someone else would do on a internet forum. I might ask if anyone on said forum could point me to good research.

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on June 03, 2012
at 04:20 PM

I can do without his vegan BS, but I think the balls to the wall approach to herbs is a good one. Sam Biser has a similar approach: http://www.sambiser.com/

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on June 03, 2012
at 04:08 PM

Bingo, Melissa. You can't simply pick and choose which studies to "like". There's definitely no set of rules that all cancers follow.

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on June 03, 2012
at 04:06 PM

To kill/remove/cure the cancer? To improve odds? Ignoring what modern medicine has to offer is about the worst thing you could do.

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on June 03, 2012
at 03:51 PM

Me - I would kill the sugars for the most part....yet I'd still eat blackberries. Lots of greens (kale,spinach,broccoli) and 100% grass fed meat. Vitamin D3 supplements and MMS. I've read two options - baking soda and food grade hydrogen peroxide will kill it. Apricot Seeds (B17) apparently works too.

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

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on June 03, 2012
at 03:44 PM

What do you mean by "do the standard cancer treatment regimen." - Chemo and Radiation? If so, why would you do that?

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on June 03, 2012
at 03:16 PM

A friend of my mothers died last year and she had tried the ketogenic diet to help "starve" her brain cancer. It still grew. Cancer is a nasty SOB and most are metabolically quite flexible. It is good she tried since it helps SOME people arrest tumor growth, but it is no universal cure.

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on June 03, 2012
at 03:13 PM

That's because you haven't read the science. Cancer cells can't feed on ketones. That's part of what makes them a cancer cell. Dr's find cancer by feeding you sugar and watching where it goes. Taking in carbs feeds cancer cells PERIOD when you have cancer. If you have cancer you should starve it out with a ketogenic diet!

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Ideally you want your own body to kick the cancer. I'm not convinced that going into ketosis is the answer.

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:51 PM

Thank.You.Miked.

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:26 PM

Agreed re: juices/ketosis. I would also get my 25(OH)D level up to 80 ng/ml (higher may be advisable, depending on what you read.)

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Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on June 03, 2012
at 05:42 PM

I've been there, twice. The first time, I was young, and I still believed in the 'medical model' and 'aggressive treatment options". I opted for a clinical trial. I ended up being one of the people who developed the "rare" side effect and damaged my heart permanently. That became a deciding factor in my future management plan.

The second time I had cancer (it's not unusual for someone with my particular genetic anomaly to develop multiple cancers over a lifetime, so I was already prepared for that eventuality), I opted to do surgery and alternative ancillary treatment. My oncologist was less than pleased, but I can honestly say that I had a MUCH faster recovery, and have sustained long-term remission and near-full recovery from the 2nd round... whereas, following the 'standard of care' and 'cutting edge research' track left me with a permanent disability.

If I end up with cancer again, I will continue with my primal diet, will nourish myself as best I am able, if they are able to remove the cancer, I will opt for surgical removal, and I will follow with homeopathic and naturopathic concomitant care.

I will not use radiation or chemotherapy again on my body. If cancer is what is going to take me, I am going to opt for the most productive life experience I am able while I'm alive, rather than opting for the "fight the cancer at any cost" approach I see so often where I work.

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

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on June 03, 2012
at 05:44 PM

I can't believe there's people on this page advocating the standard cancer treatment...it is actually blowing my mind.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 03, 2012
at 07:00 PM

You are a great source of inspiration! Thank you for sharing.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 04, 2012
at 10:08 PM

@GPS - when I started eating paleo, my previous 40 years of life experience, education, and worldview (which admittedly is pretty skeptical and analytical) did not evaporate -- I'm still me, just a slightly thinner, happier, carnivorous me. :-)

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on June 07, 2012
at 06:43 AM

What damage occured to your heart?

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on June 07, 2012
at 08:02 PM

I had significant muscle cell death in my heart, especially in the right atria, causing the right atria to become weakened. They put in a teflon mesh to support the atria so that it didn't "lean" on the tricuspid valve (sort of like having to use a cane to walk), but I still have rhythm irregularities, and will for the rest of my life.

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:18 PM

I'm sorry, there is no value in veg*ns approach to healing. It's all based on pseudoscience, and lots of it can get in the way of both natural healing and the chemotherapies commonly used with cancer.

I would go ketogenic because most cancers will be starved without sugar, plus there's some evidence that being in ketosis makes the good cells more resilient to chemo and the cancer cells more susceptible.

I would not do any kind of juicing. The idea of most cancer treatments is to actually kill the bad stuff. If you're taking megadoses of vitamins and antioxidants you're actually going to undo the effect of the treatment. Just like taking megadoses of antioxidants after exercise to reduce soreness actually reduces your body's ability to adapts and get stronger because of the exercise.

And yes, I would bet my life on my current (strict) paleo diet. I dealt with cancer and chemo on the SAD and that was terrible. I wish I knew then what I know now. A high-nutrient keto diet probably could have saved me 4 months of chemo.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:26 PM

Agreed re: juices/ketosis. I would also get my 25(OH)D level up to 80 ng/ml (higher may be advisable, depending on what you read.)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 03, 2012
at 03:16 PM

A friend of my mothers died last year and she had tried the ketogenic diet to help "starve" her brain cancer. It still grew. Cancer is a nasty SOB and most are metabolically quite flexible. It is good she tried since it helps SOME people arrest tumor growth, but it is no universal cure.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on June 03, 2012
at 02:51 PM

Thank.You.Miked.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 03, 2012
at 10:09 PM

Yes, Melissa has a point - not all cancers respond to keto, and you need to know what you're fighting. But most of the common ones that people encounter will be well fought with keto and keeping your insulin down in general (because lots of tumors have extra insulin receptors).

39ff4e45a11194dc5ecad0468a0c1b9a

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on June 03, 2012
at 03:13 PM

That's because you haven't read the science. Cancer cells can't feed on ketones. That's part of what makes them a cancer cell. Dr's find cancer by feeding you sugar and watching where it goes. Taking in carbs feeds cancer cells PERIOD when you have cancer. If you have cancer you should starve it out with a ketogenic diet!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 03, 2012
at 04:08 PM

Bingo, Melissa. You can't simply pick and choose which studies to "like". There's definitely no set of rules that all cancers follow.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 03, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Ideally you want your own body to kick the cancer. I'm not convinced that going into ketosis is the answer.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 03, 2012
at 04:45 PM

I would do a lot of research on the specific cancer, consult the most knowledgeable specialists (doctors and researchers in the field) with the best records that I could find, and not ask for what someone else would do on a internet forum. I might ask if anyone on said forum could point me to good research.

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D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 03, 2012
at 04:34 PM

I'm an oncology nurse and breast cancer survivor, so I'm a bit biased, but:

If you ever get cancer, please PLEASE PLEASE get your ass to an NCI-designated comprehensive cancer center, get a second opinion (ideally from another NCI-designated CCC), educate yourself about your options, clarify your goals, and then DO THE CONVENTIONAL TREATMENT that meets those goals. Complementary treatments like acupuncture, massage, Reiki, etc. are awesome. Nutrition is VITAL to getting thru treatment and/or improving quality of life in an end-of-life situation. But no nutritional changes will cure cancer, I promise. Bullshit pseudoscience placebo juice fasts (or really any "eat this and you will be cured" diets) are evil, create false hope, and in my experience end in tragedy and regret and misery.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on June 03, 2012
at 05:44 PM

I disagree profoundly with this, as another individual working at a comprehensive cancer center. I see WAY too many cases where the "cure" does more damage than the cancer.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:03 AM

I've met at WAPF conference - Jerry Brunetti who basically did low-carb Paleo with some colostrum to cure his cancer. He was diagnosed with non- Hodgkins lymphoma approximately ten years ago and told he had 6 months to live with conventional chemo! The commissions oncologists make on chemo are about 25% - they're not motivated to try other things! He has a book on cancer nutrition and healing.

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

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on June 03, 2012
at 04:50 PM

I'm glad that you survived breast cancer. I do wish, though, that the NCI had a clue about diet. They recommend: "Lots of fruits and vegetables, and whole grain breads and cereals, Modest amounts of meat and milk products, Small amounts of fat, sugar, alcohol, and salt. I can't speak to whether they're enlightened about cancer treatment but I do wish they'd research diet.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 04, 2012
at 09:52 PM

@Sol - I agree that the nutrition info/advice that is sanctioned by NCI is just as useless as the advice sanctioned by all the NIH. Most oncologists don't really care what you eat - they are mostly not convinced that the evidence is there to suggest it really changes outcomes. You get a lot if "everything in moderation." So don't bother asking an oncologist for nutritional advice, is my advice!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 03, 2012
at 07:00 PM

Thank you for your post, goodgravymiss.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Brunetti rejected the conventional treatment and went on to do far better than anyone could have predicted.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:00 AM

Have you seen the Burynski documentary about Texas doctor finding an alternative treatment that the government tried to put him on trial for multiple times but he has been acquitted - the government along with Big Pharma colluded to try to steal his patent!

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on June 03, 2012
at 08:58 PM

Amen, Firestorm! Complementary treatments? They do far more for the treatment than the poison you propose, goodgravymissmaisy.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 04, 2012
at 10:04 PM

@Firestorm - clarification of goals is crucial. Every day I give chemo to women with early stage breast cancer who have minimal side effects (besides temp hair loss) and have an excellent chance of remaining cancer free for their lifetime. (I have also seen women who treated thei early stage breast cancer with herbs and diet and poultices until the tumor fungated and they had brain mets.) I've ALSO seen 80 yr olds with advanced pancreatic cancer take chemo that made them sick & weak & destroyed the little life they had left. Chemo, etc is not always appropriate - sometimes it is.

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(20378)

on June 03, 2012
at 04:30 PM

I would do multiple things at the same time. Both Doctor and Diet.

Things to research:

Ketogenic diet.
Ketogenic diet w/ coconut oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natto (fermented soy).
Some grassfed liver
Vitamin D3
Change meat to exclusively Grassfed Lamb/Beef and Wild Salmon. No chicken or pork.
Healing your gut. http://www.siboinfo.com/ Dr Allison Siebecker will do skype calls with you. If you visit her once in person then I think the skype calls can be full up patient doctor..

Things to get rid of:

All Vegetable oils. (This seems like a no brainer but of course research.)
All Dairy. (research)
White Sugar
Soy Protein Powder.

You might study the work of:

http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/index.htm

He is WAPF friendly but not Paleo. He has a video series in cancer that is interesting. Being his patient involves one flight a year to NY. My friend visits him.

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(6259)

on June 03, 2012
at 07:10 PM

Good list and in addition Eliminate all grains - esp wheat.

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(20378)

on June 03, 2012
at 07:48 PM

Thanks! Yes for sure on the grains!

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on June 03, 2012
at 04:25 PM

I would probably stop letting myself read questions like this.

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on June 03, 2012
at 04:32 PM

-Ketogenic Paleo Diet -GAPS bone broth -Intermittent Fasting -Low Dose Naltrexone & IV Alpha Lipoic Acid -Curcumin BCM95 -Vitamin D levels up to 80

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(1011)

on June 06, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Wow! SPOT ON! +1 for you!

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(41747)

on June 03, 2012
at 02:55 PM

Depends what kind of cancer really and the prognosis given. In all cases, simply tightening up diet and getting all metabolic ducks in a row is going to help immensely. If prognosis is good (80+% recovery, life extension on the order of years), do the standard cancer treatment regimen. That with a good diet puts one in the best position for recovery. If however prognosis is poor even with treatment (less than 20%, treatment extending life just months as opposed to years), rely on diet, move close to a medical marijuana dispensary, and enjoy what time I have left.

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(94)

on June 03, 2012
at 05:37 PM

Well, if thats what you would do great....but I would never do that. Chemo and Radiation basically kills you, hence why the FDA still approves it. Whoever is reading this, look up alternative methods to treating yourself. Go watch the burzynski movie - Cancer is a serious business, Edward Griffins - A world without cancer, and Jim humble's - MMS solutions.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 03, 2012
at 09:41 PM

It's about risk analysis. Modern medicine is not a panecea, but mysticism is not the answer either. I'm disturbed at the simple writing off of all modern cancer treatment being espoused by some.

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(11058)

on June 03, 2012
at 08:53 PM

Cancer is a multi-billion dollar business. The drug companies are in bed with the FDA. I would not consider putting poisons into my body to "kill" the rogue cells, when in fact, it's killing the healthy cells, too.

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

(94)

on June 04, 2012
at 01:50 AM

Matt, I would only go to the doctor for the diagnosis and maybe have the surgery to cut it out. Besides that I wouldn't take the recommended medicine, because I believe it kills you. I think there's natural solutions that can cure cancer, but the FDA squashes it because they're told to by big Pharma. There's too much money to be made.

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

(94)

on June 03, 2012
at 03:44 PM

What do you mean by "do the standard cancer treatment regimen." - Chemo and Radiation? If so, why would you do that?

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(41747)

on June 03, 2012
at 04:06 PM

To kill/remove/cure the cancer? To improve odds? Ignoring what modern medicine has to offer is about the worst thing you could do.

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(41747)

on June 03, 2012
at 07:33 PM

So you wouldn't look at the treatment, the typical outcomes and then make an informed decision? Because that's what I'm proposing. I fully recognise that some treatments aren't worth the paltry extensions of life that they may or may not provide, particularly when quality of life suffers so much after the treatments.

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(11157)

on June 05, 2012
at 10:55 AM

Sounds like what Steve Jobs decided to do. Didn't work out so well for him.

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(41747)

on June 05, 2012
at 11:34 AM

Steve Jobs is a good example of what not to do when you have a treatable cancer. No doubt that he died prematurely, and really didn't end up with extra quality of life.

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on June 03, 2012
at 10:06 PM

Well, it depends on the cancer, how far advanced it is, the treatment options, and the prognosis. But no matter what those variables might be, I'd be researching the hell out of it in order to make the most informed decisions possible.

I'm not one for passively trusting financial advisors, veterinarians, lawyers, or anyone else to know everything and automatically act in my best interests; as a client I'm actively involved and willing to do a lot of homework and ask a lot of questions (which makes me a pain in the ass to some, and a dream client to others). And I'm the same way with physicians. No matter how caring others may be, I'm always going to be my own best advocate.

My particular beliefs about death are such that I'd be okay with choosing palliative care and enjoying what quality of life I might have left over waging a desperate, agonizing battle with a poor chance of survival. I don't want to die, but I'm not afraid of it.

If the outcome is promising, however, I'd go with conventional treatment, supplemented by any alternative means that studies have shown to be useful, or else would obviously do no harm. One thing that seems to be very helpful to those undergoing chemo is fasting, during which the body's normal cells get a chance to put up their defenses against stressors--defenses cancer cells usually don't have. I've seen friends and family suffer horribly from the effects of chemo, which weakened them even further. So if fasting can potentially reduce those toxic effects, I'll do it.

Doubling-down as far as diet goes is another step I'd definitely take. There's a lot of small things where I'm not strictly paleo, so I'd optimize my diet.

But, to be honest, I really don't know what else I'd do. So much would depend on currently-unknown variables that I won't know unless I'm ever in that position--which I would greatly prefer not to be.

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on June 03, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Dr Schultzes incurables is a great adjunct to a high fat/mod protein/low carb diet. He is PETA vegan so I am just going to go over some herbals and other Schultze protocols. He told me there are 3 kind of people you wont cure. 1. It is just their time. 2. The disease serves a function..ie..my mom and her alcoholism. Everytime she drank she became the center of attention in the family again. 3. They are not willing to crawl over broken glass to get well.

He also said about herbs..."People go to a party, drink a 5th of Jack Daniels, smoke a pack of cigarettes and do an 8 ball of coke...but when it comes to herbs its.."do I take 2 drops of lobelia or 3?" Take herbs like you are partying. Get strong, organic, properly prepared herbs. I drowned cancer patients in Echinacea and it never burned out their immune systems"...so speaks Dr. Richard Schultze. I spoke to a lot of people he was successful with, cancer included. + 1 for the medical marijuana...California looks ok again.

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(5959)

on June 03, 2012
at 04:20 PM

I can do without his vegan BS, but I think the balls to the wall approach to herbs is a good one. Sam Biser has a similar approach: http://www.sambiser.com/

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(19463)

on June 05, 2012
at 02:16 PM

1) and 2) sound like total buffalo droppings. i.e. blame the patient for your failure as a healer - understandably, not every treatment will work for every patient, but this smells of BS.

Afdf5873a082cd806c4d15c456f3614f

(336)

on June 21, 2012
at 10:43 PM

As hard as it can be to realize- this is NOT blaming the patient but rather pointing out the fact that WE ALL play a major role in healing ourselves. A doctor alone cannot do it. We need to work within ourselves in order for true healing to occur. As far as the vegan aspect- I believe in eating healthy meats but when you are so ill you are told you have months to live I think what your body needs is easy to assimilate nutrients and antioxidants- juices, sprouts, perhaps bone-broth- look up the Hippocrates Institute in Florida- it is all vegan but has a ridiculously high recovery rate.

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:48 PM

Long bouts of water-fasting. green-juice fasting. Lots of sun and relaxation. Sorry but Dr.Brian Clement of Hippocrates health institute has healed many of degenerative,chronic diseases through the use of fasting and green juice fasting. I'm not saying meat would slow down the healing or anything. Just saying so far fasting and herbs seem to be the best choice in my opinion.

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(30)

on June 04, 2012
at 03:48 AM

too much sun is harmful, especially without sunscreen.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on June 05, 2012
at 01:56 AM

Have you had cancer, Meaty?

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(1631)

on June 06, 2012
at 03:11 AM

I haven't. I don't see why that should affect my answer though.

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(19463)

on June 05, 2012
at 02:16 PM

@canard, it's only harmful if you do it all at once, also, most skin cancers show up in places that don't get any sun at all, and D3 is anti-carcinogenic. Also, some sunscreens react with sunlight to create ROS, which are carcinogenic. It's safer to get sunlight than not, or get it with sunscreen.

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(4642)

on June 07, 2012
at 02:50 AM

I would water fast too - while I don't go for Dr. Joel Fuhrman's vegetarian lifestyle recommendations, he has a lot of clinical data on water fasting and its breakdown of tissues.

Afdf5873a082cd806c4d15c456f3614f

(336)

on June 21, 2012
at 10:45 PM

I just read this post, and had written comments below about Hippocrates Institute- I agree that the protocol they follow there is probably the best idea and certainly what I would do if I found out I had cancer.

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(1011)

on June 06, 2012
at 08:44 PM

Not a good place to be, and hopefully by adhering to the main tenets of paleo - especially grain-free and IF, along with getting vitamin D status up, you won't have to confront the nightmare. Going keto needs an "assist" in the form of lots of coconut oil.

The very first thing I'd do, while I get all the above STRICTLY dialled in, is get myself on LOW DOSE NALTREXONE - look this up! While this might not be "paleo" it IS something that might save your life. I would almost certainly refuse any form of conventional treatment - dependent on the diagnosis.

Conventional chemotherapy has an extremely low success rate! Evidence for this can be found in a completely impartial statistical analysis reported in "Superfreakonomics" (of all places). (NB There ARE some cancers that respond well, eg Hodgkin's disease, a form of lymphoma - and these are reported in the reference)

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(1007)

on June 05, 2012
at 01:14 AM

I was recently suddenly diagnosed with breast cancer, operated upon (lumpectomy), and had my port installed for chemo. At diagnosis I modified my paleo diet (where my occassional cheat was rice-based spring roll wrappers or some so-so chocolate) to strict paleo with CR (calorie restriction) and did a couple of 36 hour fasts before the lumpectomy. I did a couple somewhat lesser fasts since my operations but out of concern for healing, didn't go too long (24 hour). I researched all the supplements I take and actually trimmed back a bit to just turmeric and my fish oil unless I was scheduled for a procedure, then I quit both a few days in advance. I have lost 10 lbs in the last 2 months on the calorie restriction and that put me down in a good "normal" range for my height which is excellent. Those last 10 lbs had been giving me a bit of trouble for about 6 months (weight plateau) prior to this dx and not being overweight is a factor for good prognosis. In order to get enough calorie restriction to get the scale to move, I have cut back on protein and fat servings somewhat. I also have added back in a serving or two of fruit per day. I mostly previously restricted them because of digestive issues with some of them. Since I primarily have added berries back in, I don't have a lot of GI issues with the fruit addition but I have to be conservative with citrus and apples even though they have great flavonoids in them.

I have not modified my diet much. I think a couple years of paleo has prepped my body well for further sugar restriction (BC is pretty sugar hungry) and for fasting. I am not betting entirely on diet but breast cancer has a lot of research behind it: I have estrogen stimulated BC so I'll go on a hormone blocker after a 3 month stint of chemo (I have an aggressive BC.) I don't love the idea of chemo but with the Oncotype that I have, it's highly recommended. I think modern surgeons are awesome. I think Oncologists are catching up.

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(5828)

on June 06, 2012
at 09:18 PM

I wish you the best in your healing. Thank you for sharing your experience.

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(5802)

on April 26, 2013
at 12:28 PM

arugula, i'd love to see an update on how you are doing at this time.

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on November 14, 2013
at 03:51 AM

I'd study very carefully Dr. William Donald Kelley's protocol, and try to follow it as closely as possible, within my means.

http://whale.to/a/kelley.html

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on November 14, 2013
at 02:25 AM

I'm neither vegan nor paleo, but my extensive reading, documentary watching and website browsing would definitely lead me to a low-acid diet. Veggies are alkaline; meat is acid-forming. I've heard of a number of stories of people with cancer going vegan and healing. I've yet to hear of anyone with cancer eating lots of meat and healing. The acid issue is one reason I can't get behind a paleo lifestyle so far (the damage goes beyond the issue of cancer). Oh, and the no bread. ;)

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(5)

on November 14, 2013
at 02:43 PM

Vegan diets are usually high carb, cancer feeds on glucose so thats not optimal. I would challenge your notion by positing the question of Ketosis. Starve the cancer through a high fat moderate protein diet.

check out this pubmed article on ketosis as brain cancer treatment:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17313687

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on November 14, 2013
at 02:24 AM

I'm neither vegan nor paleo, but my extensive reading, documentary watching and website browsing would definitely lead me to a low-acid diet. Veggies are alkaline; meat is acid-forming. I've heard of a number of stories of people with cancer going vegan and healing. I've yet to hear of anyone with cancer eating lots of meat and healing. The acid issue is one reason I can't get behind a paleo lifestyle so far (the damage goes beyond the issue of cancer). Oh, and the no bread. ;)

,

I'm neither vegan nor paleo, but my extensive reading, documentary watching and website browsing would definitely lead me to a low-acid diet. Veggies are alkaline; meat is acid-forming. I've heard of a number of stories of people with cancer going vegan and healing. I've yet to hear of anyone with cancer eating lots of meat and healing. The acid issue is one reason I can't get behind a paleo lifestyle so far. Oh, and the no bread. ;)

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on July 30, 2013
at 07:58 PM

Make a bucket list of things I want to do while I battle, and when I'm not working on the list, I will be worshipping God.

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on April 26, 2013
at 12:39 PM

ketogenic diet, nutritional healing, sauna, longlonglong vacation.

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on February 28, 2013
at 04:17 PM

Yeah it's pretty outrageous how many people on this Paleo Hacks page are supporting conventional cancer treatment, really? On a paleo site?

You people need to take your conventional wisdom or lack their of and keep it off of this site, this is paleo hacks not a site for western medicine ignorant degenerates, open your mind to the truth and read! a little more. Doctors get a large comission for prescribing chemo. Educate yourselves, make some friends in the medical field to learn about this disgusting truth, they essentially make money from a relatively uneffective dangerous procedure when simply water fasting and swimming in natural bodies of water (earthing) is more effective.

If I was to spontaneously get cancer (which I wouldn't ever) I would personally start juicing greens particularly home grown mineral rich wheatgrass mixed with coconut water/milk to make more palatable and would also add a generous amount of turmeric and ginger to it with a bit of bee pollen for taste or stevia. I'd also consume sulfur rich foods like fermented onions or saurkraut to accelerate my body's natural detoxifying antioxidant known as glutiathone.

I would also keep the fructose to a minimum get loads of sun every day and would swim in a lake or any clean body of water routinely as well to lower inflammation and regulate my hormones.

I would probably also hit the infrared sauna every day and might even do a niacin flush to clear out the toxins stored in my fat cells.

The last and probably most powerful thing I would do is keep a strong positive belief that I've already beat the cancer. I would also constantly watch my favorite comedy videos as depression has been shown to lower the immune system.

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(41747)

on July 16, 2013
at 01:38 AM

All that hoodoo? No thanks!

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on June 21, 2012
at 10:37 PM

Go to the Hippocrates Institute in Florida- it is a vegan diet there but all juices, sprouts, raw and I personally know people who were told they had only months to live who went there are completely 100% recovered. I think that when your body is that damaged you need tons of nutrients and antioxidants infused into your system- you also need emotional healing, resting, yoga, support- all of which the H.I. provides.

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on April 26, 2013
at 12:19 PM

My daughter was diagnosed with stage 4 brain cancer on the brain stem at the age of 7. There was and still is no chemo for that type of tumor. Little did I know that it would work in her favor! They told us radiation would extend her life to 12 mos at the most and that even with radiation, the tumor would never shrink. We started supplements and an organic macrobiotic diet with chicken, turkey, fish and bison and green smoothies. She regained energy but tumor didn't shrink or grow. After 1 1/2 years I watched Crazy, Sexy, Cancer. We attempted a raw vegan diet but took me numerous times of getting back on the horse. We finally remained raw vegan for a year with lots of veggie juicing. Toward the end of that year we started wheatgrass juicing. 3 weeks into wheatgrass, the tumor shrunk down to nothing. She eventually had some sugar issues-cause of raw cow milk that we had started a few weeks prior. After some research we started a paleo diet about 1 year after sugar issues began. It got her sugar issues under control. Cancer cells spiked 5 months into paleo. We went back on a vegan diet with lots of ancient grains and veggies and fruits and juicing. Cells went down soon after. Cancer and tumor remains non existent and we are now considered completely out of danger by the docs. My daughter is now going to be 12 and has zero health issues. We eat vegan and juice wheatgrass daily. We eat all organic and non GMO. We also removed all houshold chemicals in the beginning. And that rule still remains.

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(5828)

on April 26, 2013
at 07:23 PM

Awesome! Congratulations!

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on April 26, 2013
at 12:27 PM

We also did colon cleansing, infrared sauna, aqua chi foot detox and alkaline water from a filter. We did these things throughout the whole process. We avoided gluten as much as possible and never ate refined sugar or chemical sugar substitutes.

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