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If I add coconut oil and coconut milk to my morning coffee, does it negate the benefits of my IF?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 31, 2011 at 3:48 PM

I am adding coconut milk and coconut oil to my morning coffee. I usually add a tablespoon of coconut oil and a maybe 2 tablespoons of canned coconut milk. Does the fat in the coconut oil and milk negate the benefits of my morning IF?

C68f0b374156e5ce7a9b8358232bfed0

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on December 03, 2012
at 11:23 PM

How did that go?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 27, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Coconut sugar is sugar. Just because it comes from the magical coconut plant doesn't make it any better than sugar cane or sugar beet. (Neither of which is all that bad, really!)

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on September 01, 2011
at 04:25 PM

You could call it a modified fast. ADMF is about as effective in studies as ADF, IIRC.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on September 01, 2011
at 04:23 PM

http://www.jbc.org/content/280/27/25864.long http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/02/basic-science-energy-is-everything.html

65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

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on September 01, 2011
at 03:22 PM

Citations please?

65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

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on September 01, 2011
at 03:21 PM

I believe the key for inducing autophagy is the lack of dietary protein. A ketogenic diet may be high or low protein, so a ketogenic diet doesn't always promote autophagy using that line of thinking.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on September 01, 2011
at 01:53 PM

Well today I have left out the coconut oil to see what difference it makes. I do actually feel hungry whereas with that tablespoon of coconut oil, I didn't. I shall drown my hunger pangs with more sans coconut oil coffee!

41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

(630)

on August 31, 2011
at 09:38 PM

I used to use coconut milk and coconut sugar, now I just do black coffee. BUt yes a big difference in glycemic value. I dont use white sugar at all and try to stay 98% paleo!!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 31, 2011
at 08:38 PM

Ketogenic diets promote autophagy, and MCT oils in particular (which are high in coconut oil) are highly ketogenic.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 31, 2011
at 08:23 PM

I don't think that's right, Katherine. A ketogenic diet promotes autophagy, so eating just fat shouldn't inhibit it.

020053fd576e93d1d8fa20bfb10979b9

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on August 31, 2011
at 08:06 PM

@Katherine Can you point me to some more information. My understanding was that insulin down regulated autophagy so fat was okay.

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

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on August 31, 2011
at 06:27 PM

It was definitely a good point.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on August 31, 2011
at 05:58 PM

Really it's a simple thing to dump it and see what happens. It's not like coconut oil makes my coffee spectacular. This is just a way to get my coconut oil in. If I eat it from the spoon it makes me nauseated. The simple solutions is to just put coconut oil in my coffee after I break my fast.

189b5f92563aff6742ae46ebec950977

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on August 31, 2011
at 05:35 PM

@shawn The glycemic index of coconut sugar is 35-50 vs regular sugar it's 65-100 - so big difference.. I know stevia has nada.. but I hate the taste of it as a powder. I crash when I use white sugar or sugar in the raw, but I don't on coconut sugar, so something's different with it.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on August 31, 2011
at 05:06 PM

It actually will. Coconut oil stops autophagy.

7050bbce676dfad74a40ec18387894f4

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:49 PM

It really isnt much better than regular white sugar. I would choose it over white sugar if those were the only options and I had to pick. I use almost a 1/4 tsp of stevia in my coffee and it does the trick for me.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:45 PM

Autophagy is also a goal, but I was really after the fat burning aspects of IF.

7050bbce676dfad74a40ec18387894f4

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:31 PM

True enough. I only referenced that as an example of what real fasting is. I dont mean any disrespect to anyone's beliefs. IF is as individual as the person doing it.

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Very true. However, some of us are not Muslim and don't necessarily require 100% adherence. I am assuming that most people that fast on this site do so for the health benefits, not because of religious beliefs. I believe the question was geared more toward the loss of those benefits.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:16 PM

To some degree yes. While Paul Jaminet (Perfect Health Diet) and kurt Harris make good cases for "fasting" with some cream or better yet, coconut oil. Consumption of both stop autophagy, which appears to be one of or maybe even the main way we benefit from fasting.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:12 PM

After thinking about it in the way of calories, it's like having 2 eggs for breakfast. So really, I am not fasting at all, I am having a liquid breakfast at that point.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:11 PM

Yeah you're right if I think of it that way, that's the equivalent of 2 eggs really. Ok, I am cutting out the coconut oil in my morning coffee.

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026dde5c5ed48e30d006ac075410871e

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:25 PM

If you're fasting to promote autophagy, then coconut oil will not affect your goals.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on August 31, 2011
at 04:45 PM

Autophagy is also a goal, but I was really after the fat burning aspects of IF.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on August 31, 2011
at 08:38 PM

Ketogenic diets promote autophagy, and MCT oils in particular (which are high in coconut oil) are highly ketogenic.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on September 01, 2011
at 04:23 PM

http://www.jbc.org/content/280/27/25864.long http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/02/basic-science-energy-is-everything.html

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on August 31, 2011
at 05:06 PM

It actually will. Coconut oil stops autophagy.

020053fd576e93d1d8fa20bfb10979b9

(410)

on August 31, 2011
at 08:06 PM

@Katherine Can you point me to some more information. My understanding was that insulin down regulated autophagy so fat was okay.

65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

(6082)

on September 01, 2011
at 03:22 PM

Citations please?

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7050bbce676dfad74a40ec18387894f4

(601)

on August 31, 2011
at 04:08 PM

Fasting is Fasting. Oil and Cream is not Fasting. Just ask anyone who observes Ramadan.

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

(951)

on August 31, 2011
at 06:27 PM

It was definitely a good point.

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

(951)

on August 31, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Very true. However, some of us are not Muslim and don't necessarily require 100% adherence. I am assuming that most people that fast on this site do so for the health benefits, not because of religious beliefs. I believe the question was geared more toward the loss of those benefits.

7050bbce676dfad74a40ec18387894f4

(601)

on August 31, 2011
at 04:31 PM

True enough. I only referenced that as an example of what real fasting is. I dont mean any disrespect to anyone's beliefs. IF is as individual as the person doing it.

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C2ad96801ec1e22d2bf62475b6e52751

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on August 31, 2011
at 03:59 PM

After 150+ calories, I think you would be hard-pressed to call it fasting.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on August 31, 2011
at 04:11 PM

Yeah you're right if I think of it that way, that's the equivalent of 2 eggs really. Ok, I am cutting out the coconut oil in my morning coffee.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on September 01, 2011
at 04:25 PM

You could call it a modified fast. ADMF is about as effective in studies as ADF, IIRC.

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on August 31, 2011
at 05:43 PM

The way I think of it is that I IF to hopefully burn through existing fat stores as an energy source. Wouldn't introducing an exogenous fat source shift your body's focus to preferentially burn through that until it's gone. In other words, does coconut in the coffee put the IF on pause?

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40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:00 PM

Most people say that a splash of cream or something similar in your coffee is OK, just don't go overboard. So I would think that a little coconut oil might be in the same category considering they have right around the same amount of calories.

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D1d9b0d839144b72b5f5dae893a686d3

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on August 20, 2013
at 11:23 PM

People will argue over the definition of "fasting" but I will assume that you don't care about those pointless arguments. Fat loss and autophagy are the two main reasons people fast. You will be getting both of these if you consume only fat, no protein or sugar, with your coffee. This is the idea, along with mental performance, behind Bulletproof coffee. Protein, and DEFINITELY sugar, put a stop to the autophagy process while fat does not.

As far as fat loss, the MCTs from the coconut oil, or pure MCT oil if you want to use that, will kick start the ketosis process. Once you burn through the fat from the MCTs and any butter, etc that you add, you will then begin running off your own fat, but in a more seamless way than just not eating for a long time. Even if you use "a lot" of fat by CW standards, it won't take all day to burn through and switch over to body fat.

To answer your specific question, coconut oil is good, butter is good, coconut milk or cream would not be good because they would still contain some protein or carbs which would work counter to your goals. I am not saying that they have a lot of either macronutrient, but with your goals, why have any at all? Non-caloric drinks such as coffee and pure fat are what you want in order to accomplish this.

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on August 20, 2013
at 01:45 PM

I also love to add coconut milk in my coffee, check out this link about the benefits of coffee with coconut milk. I've been making my own homemade coconut milk recently because I'm sure its healthier than store-bought one. but to be honest I the taste of store-bought coconut milk more so I'm in two minds now which one to drink.

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on December 27, 2011
at 03:08 PM

I've started tinkering with IF for about two months now, and that always includes coffee (most of the time with a Tbl of coconut milk). I have been strict Paleo for about two years, and haven't really seen any fat loss...until I started doing IF. I have sloooooooowly lost a little fat around my middle, and maybe it would be sped up if I didn't have coconut milk in my coffee? I should do a month of no coconut milk in my coffee to see if there is a difference. All we can do is play around with options to find what works for us right?

C68f0b374156e5ce7a9b8358232bfed0

(637)

on December 03, 2012
at 11:23 PM

How did that go?

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485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

on August 31, 2011
at 06:25 PM

I don't think you're going to achieve true fasting w/autophagy over a day or so. What you're doing (and what I do, as well) is actually the opposite--to fool your body into thinking it's not fasting so as to keep up the metabolic rate, while at the same time restricting calories. And coconut oil is the perfect fuel for that process.

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on August 31, 2011
at 05:21 PM

I don't think it's a big deal. For my first 2 months of intermittent fasting I used coconut oil in my coffee. I do not now but it worked well for me. (Working on last bit of leaning out so experimenting.) I would not use the coconut milk myself though due to the carb count higher.

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41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:31 PM

What about coconut sugar? I know it has calories, just a question- please don't attack!

41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

(630)

on August 31, 2011
at 09:38 PM

I used to use coconut milk and coconut sugar, now I just do black coffee. BUt yes a big difference in glycemic value. I dont use white sugar at all and try to stay 98% paleo!!

189b5f92563aff6742ae46ebec950977

(217)

on August 31, 2011
at 05:35 PM

@shawn The glycemic index of coconut sugar is 35-50 vs regular sugar it's 65-100 - so big difference.. I know stevia has nada.. but I hate the taste of it as a powder. I crash when I use white sugar or sugar in the raw, but I don't on coconut sugar, so something's different with it.

7050bbce676dfad74a40ec18387894f4

(601)

on August 31, 2011
at 04:49 PM

It really isnt much better than regular white sugar. I would choose it over white sugar if those were the only options and I had to pick. I use almost a 1/4 tsp of stevia in my coffee and it does the trick for me.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on December 27, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Coconut sugar is sugar. Just because it comes from the magical coconut plant doesn't make it any better than sugar cane or sugar beet. (Neither of which is all that bad, really!)

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