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How do I counter an insulin rush?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 16, 2012 at 9:34 PM

How do I counter an insulin rush? I just broke a 23 hour fast with a small green apple and an ounce of some hard cheese. Within 1/2 hour I got jittery, shakey, heart palpitations, nausea, etc.

Can I eat or drink something to get rid of this horrible feeling? The chef hasn't finished preparing dinner yet (burgers and sweet potato chips) though...

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 17, 2012
at 01:35 AM

...the adrenalin.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 17, 2012
at 01:35 AM

As I understand it (I may have this wrong) Glucagon is the hormone that is used to release glycogen; the stuff your body stores in your liver or your muscles as emergency energy when food is scares and blood sugar begins to fall. The fact that you did a 23 hour fast maybe just means you may have depleted your body of any glycogen. If your blood glucose levels are low and there is no glycogen to help raise glucose levels, your body must resort to adrenaline and cortisol to kick protein into gluconeogensis. Insulin is then used to transport all the glucose into your cells. Your feeling...

45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

(3661)

on June 16, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Just wanted to confirm that you had not injected insulin prior to eating. You've already gotten the protein and fat suggestion, and I'm hoping you followed it by now.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

(2861)

on June 16, 2012
at 10:33 PM

"in response to high blood glucose (insulin spike)" - a blood glucose spike and an insulin spike are too different things. Insulin counteracts high blood glucose and gets it out of the blood stream. When you eat protein, you get an insulin spike directly from the protein, but via glucagon, your body kicks out glucose out of the liver so that the insulin doesn't drop your blood glucose too low. Eating protein with carbs doesn't create a smaller insulin "spike", it creates a bigger insulin spike that more readily handles the blood glucose spike.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on June 16, 2012
at 10:27 PM

As I understand it unlike carbohydrate, protein causes both insulin and glucagon release. The glucagon counteracts the insulins effect.

6e37f170409bc1b100c880c57508c5fd

on June 16, 2012
at 10:05 PM

I haven't had fat or protein (except the cheese) in 24 hrs so it's not a response to those nutrients. It's the apple. Bananas usually do this to me so I avoid them or have 1/4 of one. First time this happens with an apple.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on June 16, 2012
at 09:56 PM

I sounds like you have hypoglycemia, me too. Try not to eat fruit without a full meal, especially after fasting. Actually, try not to fast too much, okay? You could black-out suddenly. Sipping beef broth can help you, if you need to skip meals. Get better, soon :)

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7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

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on June 16, 2012
at 09:44 PM

Protein might help by raising glucagon. Otherwise just wait it out.

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26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on June 16, 2012
at 09:43 PM

Do you have any meat or avocado? meat+fat always works for me! If you don't have avocado, eat an egg, cooked with coconut oil! Failing that, eat some almonds!

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194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on June 17, 2012
at 01:10 AM

Look up nettles and cinnamon (separately, not together). They both control blood sugar and keep it low and steady.

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on June 16, 2012
at 10:35 PM

exercise so the glucose has to go to work

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5ec5328074a4aa0f052b50b66dd413b1

on July 21, 2013
at 02:04 PM

Use peanut utter, as quick fix, but if you are profuse sweating and shortness of breath, drink coke or similar thing, about four oz.. May even need to take in piece of candy. Fasting is dangerous for any type diabetic. High protein diet will help too.

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6e37f170409bc1b100c880c57508c5fd

on June 16, 2012
at 10:19 PM

Sorry for posting as an answer to my own question but it wouldn't let me post through scottts comment box.

from another paleo site: "Glucagon"

"Glucagon is a hormone used to raise blood glucose by releasing liver glycogen and triglycerides stored in fat cells. Glucagon is also used along with cortisol for gluconeogenesis. Glucagon is the counter hormone to insulin; both regulate blood glucose and are needed in the same quantities to maintain weight. Glucagon is released in response to low blood glucose, free amino acids and cholecystokinin. It is blocked by insulin and free fatty acids."

So would glucagon released in response to high blood glucose (insulin spike)? If yes, would the insulin then block it? Something doesn't sound right there...

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 17, 2012
at 01:35 AM

...the adrenalin.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on June 16, 2012
at 10:27 PM

As I understand it unlike carbohydrate, protein causes both insulin and glucagon release. The glucagon counteracts the insulins effect.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

(2861)

on June 16, 2012
at 10:33 PM

"in response to high blood glucose (insulin spike)" - a blood glucose spike and an insulin spike are too different things. Insulin counteracts high blood glucose and gets it out of the blood stream. When you eat protein, you get an insulin spike directly from the protein, but via glucagon, your body kicks out glucose out of the liver so that the insulin doesn't drop your blood glucose too low. Eating protein with carbs doesn't create a smaller insulin "spike", it creates a bigger insulin spike that more readily handles the blood glucose spike.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 17, 2012
at 01:35 AM

As I understand it (I may have this wrong) Glucagon is the hormone that is used to release glycogen; the stuff your body stores in your liver or your muscles as emergency energy when food is scares and blood sugar begins to fall. The fact that you did a 23 hour fast maybe just means you may have depleted your body of any glycogen. If your blood glucose levels are low and there is no glycogen to help raise glucose levels, your body must resort to adrenaline and cortisol to kick protein into gluconeogensis. Insulin is then used to transport all the glucose into your cells. Your feeling...

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45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

(3661)

on June 16, 2012
at 09:49 PM

Are you sure it's too much insulin? Protein and fat are a good "gee my blood sugar seems a bit high" measure. If you need to reduce the insulin, you may need something more on the carb end. The symptoms you're describing could be serious.

45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

(3661)

on June 16, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Just wanted to confirm that you had not injected insulin prior to eating. You've already gotten the protein and fat suggestion, and I'm hoping you followed it by now.

6e37f170409bc1b100c880c57508c5fd

on June 16, 2012
at 10:05 PM

I haven't had fat or protein (except the cheese) in 24 hrs so it's not a response to those nutrients. It's the apple. Bananas usually do this to me so I avoid them or have 1/4 of one. First time this happens with an apple.

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