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Very Poor Insulin Resistance, will it improve with straight VLC?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM

Since being on Paleo, I am aware that I am one of the few that is very insulin resistance, and if I don't consume low enough carbs, <20g per day, it would be very difficult for me to lose weight. My question is, is this a condition that will be with me for the rest of my life even when I get to a healthy weight? or is this something that can be improved upon?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:00 AM

Yeah, I'm gonna give it a shot. Thanks.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 25, 2011
at 12:30 AM

Not that this is helpful but you are not alone in your struggle. I share some of these very same issues. I know this is frowned upon but if you can lower fat just a tad by simply using less butter or CO and see if you body responds that might be worth a try. I can't eat more calories than my BMR and nowhere near what I "should" be able to eat according to all the experts. Not saying to restrict food but just using a little less condiment type fat to nudge calories down a bit? KWIM?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 24, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Thanks Shari. Upping the veggies is problematic right now. Cruciferous veggies don't digest well, nightshades = inflammation, and other starches seem to give me intolerable water retention and/or make me absolutely freaking ravenous. I'm really enjoying *not* feeling out-of-control like I do when I eat more carbs. Slippery slope, that. I've never officially dieted before so I thought I'd give the VLC a chance to work. It's so strange to me that it isn't. I used to eat (*& drink*) lots more kcals than I do now... Shrug. Beats me. Guess I'll cut back more... boohoo. Thanks again.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 23, 2011
at 08:28 PM

grenadine, have you tried upping carbs and lowering fat to lower calories. Get your volume from tons of veggies and lower fat and or protein a bit? Honestly I think lowering calories is the key for you at this point.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 23, 2011
at 07:44 PM

I really hate the idea of restricting cals, I already feel kind of deprived. I'm not eating nuts, or dairy except butter. I'm getting pretty sick of meat eggs and coconut. Such a 180 from how I was eating a year ago.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 23, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Seems like my body reeaally wants to stay at 150lbs. I've never been much bigger. I've been LC since feb, and VLC (under 25g) for at least a month, with very rare overages and I haven't lost any weight at all. I do eat as much as I want, prolly around 2000cal, at least 70% fat. I have no idea if i'm in ketosis, but how could I not be? It's weird. I'm trying to figure out gut-issues and food-sensitivities, so weight loss isn't my main goal, but dang, it would be nice to drop summa this junk!

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on June 23, 2011
at 07:39 PM

Thanks! I have been doing that since day 1 :)

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 21, 2011
at 11:06 PM

I also wanted to add that when my carbs go up my fat comes down otherwise it doesn't work. Not low fat per se but more in the 45-55% range.

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on June 21, 2011
at 09:13 PM

+1 to agree with this because I'm in the exact same boat. Lost 50-ish with VLC, practically zero exercise and a crazy amount of calories. Never looked or felt better. I could maintain that loss on bit higher amount of carbs, but anything over a certain level and I'll gain. But my insulin sensitivity is messed up and has been for probably my whole life. I come from a long line of people with this problem.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 21, 2011
at 08:21 PM

I did not for most of it. I have for the last couple of years though. I'd say the last 30 lbs were with calorie restriction. I still have to to maintain but I'm pretty used to it now. I naturally want to eat in the 2000 calorie/day range and that's just way too high for me now.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 21, 2011
at 07:43 PM

It's so incredible that you lost 150lbs with very little exercise doing VLC. Did you/do you restrict calories?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 21, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I lost the weight with little exercise the first 100 lbs. Then I incorporated just yoga and pilates. That took me to through the next 50. The most recent 20 have been weights and cardio. I should say that I carb and calorie cycle consistent with my workouts. I have only recently started adding starch. All carbs before were non-starchy carbs and dairy/nut carbs. Two days a week when I don't workout I eat VLC. The other days they are strategically places around workouts. I might be able to do more carbs daily but I'm too scared to try quite honestly. All of this just maintains.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 21, 2011
at 06:10 PM

Sheri, how did you go about losing the weight and getting to the good point of being able to handle 100ish carbs? Just curious. Exercise?

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on June 21, 2011
at 12:55 PM

there are not varying degrees of insulin-resistance? I doubt that. In fact, i'd say you are completely wrong. Resistance training, and thus the strengthening of muscle mass, has been shown to increase insulin-sensitivity; not simply "turn it on," as it were.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 21, 2011
at 12:53 PM

I hesitate to put this as an "answer" rather than a comment but lets see:

Generally the fitter one is the more carbohydrate they can consume. Similarly, the less fit one is the less carbohydrate they should consume. So, once you are fitter than you are currently you can consume more carbohydrate.

To get fitter and more insulin-sensitive the proven method is to exercise. I hesitate to just use that word cuz it can incorporate sometimes too many options but even the lowly cardio work has been shown to improve insulin-sensitivity.

Personally, and i am absolutely no authority on this issue so take this with a grain of sea salt, I would say that the best bang for your metabolic and fiscal buck would be a simple program of weight training three days a week. The stronger your muscles get the more insulin-resistant they will become. It will of course also burn fat and just plain old make you feel a whole lot better all the time.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

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on June 23, 2011
at 07:39 PM

Thanks! I have been doing that since day 1 :)

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on June 21, 2011
at 02:49 PM

Mine has definitely improved although still not to what would be considered a "normal" level. To lose weight (starting at 300+ lbs) I had to go VLC. Nothing else worked. Now that I am at a "healthy" weight I can maintain that in many more carbs than I could at a higher weight. I am also much more fit than I was before and have found, like many others, that I have to "earn" my carbs with exercise. I still can't go much over 75-100g but coming from years of 10-30g 75g is living high on the hog.

This is one of those issues that you will get the answer to when and if you get to a normalized weight. No one can answer it for you other than to say "possibly" or even "probably". You won't know until you get there. Just keep focusing on the work you have to do today and your future will reveal itself to you in due time.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on June 21, 2011
at 09:13 PM

+1 to agree with this because I'm in the exact same boat. Lost 50-ish with VLC, practically zero exercise and a crazy amount of calories. Never looked or felt better. I could maintain that loss on bit higher amount of carbs, but anything over a certain level and I'll gain. But my insulin sensitivity is messed up and has been for probably my whole life. I come from a long line of people with this problem.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 21, 2011
at 06:10 PM

Sheri, how did you go about losing the weight and getting to the good point of being able to handle 100ish carbs? Just curious. Exercise?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 21, 2011
at 07:43 PM

It's so incredible that you lost 150lbs with very little exercise doing VLC. Did you/do you restrict calories?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 21, 2011
at 08:21 PM

I did not for most of it. I have for the last couple of years though. I'd say the last 30 lbs were with calorie restriction. I still have to to maintain but I'm pretty used to it now. I naturally want to eat in the 2000 calorie/day range and that's just way too high for me now.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 21, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I lost the weight with little exercise the first 100 lbs. Then I incorporated just yoga and pilates. That took me to through the next 50. The most recent 20 have been weights and cardio. I should say that I carb and calorie cycle consistent with my workouts. I have only recently started adding starch. All carbs before were non-starchy carbs and dairy/nut carbs. Two days a week when I don't workout I eat VLC. The other days they are strategically places around workouts. I might be able to do more carbs daily but I'm too scared to try quite honestly. All of this just maintains.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 21, 2011
at 11:06 PM

I also wanted to add that when my carbs go up my fat comes down otherwise it doesn't work. Not low fat per se but more in the 45-55% range.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 23, 2011
at 07:44 PM

I really hate the idea of restricting cals, I already feel kind of deprived. I'm not eating nuts, or dairy except butter. I'm getting pretty sick of meat eggs and coconut. Such a 180 from how I was eating a year ago.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 25, 2011
at 12:30 AM

Not that this is helpful but you are not alone in your struggle. I share some of these very same issues. I know this is frowned upon but if you can lower fat just a tad by simply using less butter or CO and see if you body responds that might be worth a try. I can't eat more calories than my BMR and nowhere near what I "should" be able to eat according to all the experts. Not saying to restrict food but just using a little less condiment type fat to nudge calories down a bit? KWIM?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 23, 2011
at 08:28 PM

grenadine, have you tried upping carbs and lowering fat to lower calories. Get your volume from tons of veggies and lower fat and or protein a bit? Honestly I think lowering calories is the key for you at this point.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 23, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Seems like my body reeaally wants to stay at 150lbs. I've never been much bigger. I've been LC since feb, and VLC (under 25g) for at least a month, with very rare overages and I haven't lost any weight at all. I do eat as much as I want, prolly around 2000cal, at least 70% fat. I have no idea if i'm in ketosis, but how could I not be? It's weird. I'm trying to figure out gut-issues and food-sensitivities, so weight loss isn't my main goal, but dang, it would be nice to drop summa this junk!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 24, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Thanks Shari. Upping the veggies is problematic right now. Cruciferous veggies don't digest well, nightshades = inflammation, and other starches seem to give me intolerable water retention and/or make me absolutely freaking ravenous. I'm really enjoying *not* feeling out-of-control like I do when I eat more carbs. Slippery slope, that. I've never officially dieted before so I thought I'd give the VLC a chance to work. It's so strange to me that it isn't. I used to eat (*& drink*) lots more kcals than I do now... Shrug. Beats me. Guess I'll cut back more... boohoo. Thanks again.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:00 AM

Yeah, I'm gonna give it a shot. Thanks.

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on June 21, 2011
at 02:38 PM

It is possible that it will improve.

Exercise. Walking 30 min/day 5 times/week. Then add in weight lifting and then eventually interval aerobics and eventually sprints if you like.

I find that if I go three days with eating veggies and meat every meal. (Three meals / day) It helps get me kick started.

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on June 21, 2011
at 09:37 AM

It seems to me that there no such thing as "very" insulin resistant. You either are or aren't. However, the amount of time that you've been resistant, and the effects that have mountedup as a result are going to be individual. It may be simply that your body is in fact correcting itself now through the paleo diet, but that you've been suffering from a diabeticstate for so long that it may take a year to see the benefit. I've been strict paleo since december 2010 and at 5'11" and 175lbs I'm still seeing the effects of paleo on my physique as my body continues to remanage it's metabolism through this process. I still have stomach fat as well and it continues to slowly go away.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 21, 2011
at 12:55 PM

there are not varying degrees of insulin-resistance? I doubt that. In fact, i'd say you are completely wrong. Resistance training, and thus the strengthening of muscle mass, has been shown to increase insulin-sensitivity; not simply "turn it on," as it were.

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