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Pancreatitis from going from lots of fruit to almost none

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 24, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I went raw vegan almost a year ago now on a whim. I was and still am suffering from tremendous neck and back pain and bought into the idea it was from too much protein. After 10 months of starving and loosing a lot of muscle and not feeling right hormonaly or intellectually I started eating meat again. For 3 weeks I ate quite a bit of grass fed steaks spinach red peppers coconut oil and some chicken legs. I was absolutely sold on the burning of fat for fuel. After that week I started to feel real "thick", is the best way to describe it. I cut back on the fat and just started eating lean meats. I went to fish because chicken made my back hurt more and after about a week and a half I started noticing digestive changes as well as my appearance and the way I felt. I was eating apples with all of this as my source for carbs because any type of potatoe makes me puffy and full of pain. I then cut out the fruit(apples) after feeling a burning stressed out feeling in my chest. For the past two weeks any time I eat fruit I get a stressed out pain in my chest. I was reading in Robb's book about carbs sugar and fructose. In there it says for the body to store glycogen it requires fructose. Today I had a pear and withing a couple minutes the warmth returned to my hands and feet, I started to feel relaxed and I could breathe again. I just woke up feeling that very stressed out feeling though. I it up and ate 1/3 of a pair and now my blood pressure feels really high and my heart is beating kind of fast. I am very scared that after eating almost 10 apples a day for so long has made me insulin resistant now that meat is back in my diet. Right now I am eating wild salmon, antibiotic free and preservative free trout and pumpkin seeds. I have tons of chest pain right now and I'm starting to get that stressed out feeling again. Please leave input of you have info pertaining to going from a very high fruit honey diet to almost no sugar in a short time period. Thank you

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on November 25, 2012
at 04:01 AM

i have never had problems digesting meat, its almost instant after consumption. i have tried eating just fish(salmon) and veggies but after a couple days i had a really drained feeling and was needing sugar, so i took some and had a bowl movement right after not going for a couple days eating the meats and veggies. now i cant get sugar in my body without having those symptoms,my heart beats fairly fast and i have a few palpatations.i am also loosing a ton of muscle and im having a ton of joint pain in my shoulders and elbows,they are locking up,and in my head i feel like im hanging upside down

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on November 25, 2012
at 03:55 AM

the pain i feel is a burning sensation. i have had heart burn before when i was eating terribly. it is nothing like that. it is right in the center of my chest, right between my nipples, the feeling that goes throughout my whole body is a very stressed out angry feeling. like im super uber pissed and cant calm down. i read about pancreatitis last night and it has every symptom im experiencing, and with the facts that i have eaten fruit for such a long time makes perfect sense. when i read further about pancreas problems it leads to gallstones and problems with digestion, which i have as well.

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on November 24, 2012
at 11:32 AM

Seeds and nuts should be eaten in moderation, not as a staple. You don't mention green leafy vegetables, which are the ones Paleo mostly endorses. As for fruits, try berries for a while with rarely any other type of fruit. So go for: fish, shellfish, meat, offal, mostly berries for fruits, green or non-starchy veggies, fermented veggies (e.g. kimchi, live sauerkraut), and try starchy veggies only a few times a week (or when you feel weak).

I'd go as far as suggest you make your own home-made goat kefir too, fermented for 24 hours to get rid of its lactose -- even if you have decided to not do any other type of dairy. Kefir is kind of magic on fixing various things, but it has to be home-made for full potency (the goat part minimizes potential casein problems).

Then, I'd suggest you check your D3 levels. Start supplementing if your blood test shows that you need to. If you're low on D3, don't expect things to get fixed with diet alone. Also check Magnesium.

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on November 24, 2012
at 11:57 AM

I was also on a a very high fruit-and-veggie diet with little fat for a while, and now I have to keep a close watch on how many carbs I eat. I don't count them, but if I get too much I get heart palpitations and lack emotional balance and mental clarity. My inflammation issues are also made worse by too much carbs. I have tried to go very low carb, but I don't feel great doing that, either, so I'm just maintaining a fragile balance. Same with fat---I went crazy on it, and now I've cut back to a comfortable level. I eat a lot of low carb veggies--cooked, raw, fermented and juiced--and maybe a pound or less of meat per day on average.

I noticed that you mentioned that you had increased pain eating chicken, so you have switched to fish. I also have to avoid poultry and stick to grass-fed beef and fish, with some pork. For me this is due to a very high sensitivity to Omega-6 fatty acids. I really have to limit avocado, nuts, seeds, poultry, etc., because my inflammation will just take off, causing burning in my body, increased neuropathy, and acne. I also take fish oil and other supplements to calm my immune system.

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on December 07, 2012
at 09:58 PM

I can't speak to your pain issue, and as someone else suggested, seeing a doctor is probably a good idea.

I went from a lowish calorie liquid only diet (due to a stomach problem) and though it wasn't low sugar, it was about 1000 calories spread through the day, so I never had sugar spikes. The first food I could eat was baby rice cereal, and I got huge sugar rushes from even a half a cup, with the increase in heart rate and such that you described.

Though I am best at getting into a new paradigm when I jump in feet first, cold turkey, I would recommend in general to try to make slower transitions, especially when going from one extreme to the next, because it does take the body some time to get used to the changes. Also, I only eat apples and pears baked or cooked in some way, as some high pectin fruits don't sit well with me. Grapes and citrus fruits work really well for me though. I think trying to find balance and then tweaking what you eat slowly, especially given that you are experiencing so much pain, might help you find something that works for you. Good luck.

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on December 07, 2012
at 09:25 PM

Maybe it's not fruit per se that's causing you problems, but apples. I say this because I've had similar reaction to apples, but not any other fruit. After eating a few of them I get sharp stabbing-like pains in my chest, neck and around my head. But I enjoy large quantities of other fruits without any adverse reactions. Sorry I can only give you speculation and not scientific analysis.

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on November 25, 2012
at 04:19 AM

U know what I suggest? Go see a doctor. Geez this forum is not about diagnosing medical conditions, especially when the person suffering seems already distraught. And btw, your pancreas is not between your nipples. And visceral pain is almost never localized.

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on November 25, 2012
at 04:07 AM

i posted above with answers to your questions. oh and im not hungry on top of all this. i have lost a lot of weight in the past 2 weeks and im loosing a lot more. everything ive read points to pancreas problems which leads to gallbladder issues that lead to high blood pressure and autoimmune disorder, which makes sense because my body feels like its eating itself, i have way too many symptoms all over that cant be something as simple as indigestion.

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on November 25, 2012
at 03:13 AM

What does the stressful feeling in your chest feel like? Are you having pains? Are you having a racing heart? I am wondering if you can elicit exactly what the symptoms is that you are experiencing.

Thoughts here -- GERD/heartburn might be an issue. Higher-fat foods and larger meals can trigger heartburn. It is terrifying if you don'know what it is at first. The same gastro discomfort can sometimes cause sweating and racing heart.

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on November 25, 2012
at 12:50 AM

i was a high fruit 80/10/10 follower for 2 years but i haven't turned into a diabetic from it. i don't get chest pains when i eat fruit either, but i do notice that i definitely can't eat the same quantity i used to. i am wondering what kind of chest pain this is. is it burning like acid reflux or a stabbing pain? i developed costochondritis from prednisone usage and that feels like a knife is being stabbed into your chest and coming out your back. it throbs, too.

have you had an ekg or any chest x-rays done? what is your resting heart rate? glucose levels? maybe you should see a doctor.

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on November 24, 2012
at 11:52 PM

Dan you dont sound like too smart a man. no one told me chicken was the mechanism. when i eat it by itself its almost instant pain in my back then it moves to my brain and i get real foggy and slow. i think it makes perfect sense as far as how the chest pains come about, i was pretty much living as a functioning diabetic for almost 10 months eating tons of fruit. my body probably became insulin insensitive and now when I eat fatty fish like salmon or trout i get a very stressful feeling and my chest hurts real bad. its in the center of my chest, thats where the pancreas is, its what controls digestive enzymes and hormones. when it is over worked(in the case of eating so much fruit), it can start to not produce as much insulin. which means i would have a lot of glucose running wild as my body tried to digest the fat and use it. for the guy that had chest pain also, i am currently trying to eat salmon and cod, cod has a ton of b vitamins with next to no fat. have you had your blood sugar tested as a diabetic would. i'm going to start testing mine. have you also been keeping track of what fruits you try and react to the worst and have you ever checked your blood sugar levels before and after meals. i'm trying pears only right now. they have way more fructose than glucose and next to no sucrose compared to other fruit(apples). i read a little of robb wolfs book about how glucose is needed to make glycogen. so my thought is that since all my other food gets turned to glucose then it would make sense to eat fruits high in fructose and low in glucose. maybe im way wrong. cant wait to hear dans response.

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on November 25, 2012
at 03:55 AM

the pain i feel is a burning sensation. i have had heart burn before when i was eating terribly. it is nothing like that. it is right in the center of my chest, right between my nipples, the feeling that goes throughout my whole body is a very stressed out angry feeling. like im super uber pissed and cant calm down. i read about pancreatitis last night and it has every symptom im experiencing, and with the facts that i have eaten fruit for such a long time makes perfect sense. when i read further about pancreas problems it leads to gallstones and problems with digestion, which i have as well.

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on November 25, 2012
at 04:01 AM

i have never had problems digesting meat, its almost instant after consumption. i have tried eating just fish(salmon) and veggies but after a couple days i had a really drained feeling and was needing sugar, so i took some and had a bowl movement right after not going for a couple days eating the meats and veggies. now i cant get sugar in my body without having those symptoms,my heart beats fairly fast and i have a few palpatations.i am also loosing a ton of muscle and im having a ton of joint pain in my shoulders and elbows,they are locking up,and in my head i feel like im hanging upside down

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on November 24, 2012
at 11:46 AM

Protein and chicken cause you back pain? Who told you that and what is the mechanism? When you eat fruit you get chest pains? This seems odd. To me, your radical/rapid diet changes due to the "illnesses" you think are caused by food seem rather reactionary and strange. If I was having "tons of chest pain", I would go to the emergency room. Are you sure this is real, physical pain and not psychological? I am sorry, I am really not trying to be a jerk, but you do sound like a hypochondriac. Have you ever tried speaking with a therapist?

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