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How can I negate the effects of alcohol inflammation?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 06, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I have always had a fondness for drinking wine, but been noticing that lately my joints (and particularly my ankles) ache the morning after. Last night while entertaining friends, I managed to consume a whole bottle of rose. While I feel a little foggy in the head this morning, my entire body aches and just getting out of bed and standing was painful. This has convinced me to either quit drinking altogether or at the very least go on the wagon for awhile, but what can I do to get myself feeling better in the meantime? Seriously, I feel like someone worked me over with a baseball bat. Bone broth? Extra supplementation? Fast?

I'm fairly paleo-ish, I eat real food, no junk, rare on the dairy, love me my kombucha, sugar and grains are pretty much teh devil (except I guess there is plenty of sugar in the wine).

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on October 13, 2013
at 12:18 AM

As for a substitute intoxicant, you may consider magic mushrooms. They actually *help* with joint inflammation. (I'm serious: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18708586)

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on October 10, 2013
at 06:47 PM

It's rare that I have a whole bottle but even then, plenty of water, some vitamin B, and perhaps coconut water or another good electrolyte source and a bit of time before bed to sober up works. It's better to sleep two less hours and be that much more sober than sleep two more hours when you're not.

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on June 14, 2013
at 01:19 AM

Red wine can be really damaging to some people - I get inflammation after just a couple of sips. Glad you are okay with it, but what is "generally considered the best" is often exactly the worst thing for some. It isn't about the quality of the wine, it is the properties of wine that causes inflammation. Funnily enough, my experience is the opposite of yours - white and rose are fine, red is a disaster. I stick with whiskey!

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on March 29, 2013
at 02:31 PM

Asprey explains.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

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on March 29, 2013
at 02:30 PM

Something to do with the liver. I don't recall exactly. Googledatshit.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

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on March 29, 2013
at 02:28 PM

Had always heard that B12 was the de-facto standard B vitamin of choice to lessen the hangover effects of alcohol. Just curious about why B1 instead?

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on September 06, 2012
at 09:29 PM

I have done the Vitamin C + NAC thing, which keeps me from feeling like crap, but my joints still hurt like hell. The Quilt once mentioned that he thought the reason he screwed up his knee was because of alcohol, but he never explained what specifically alcohol is doing to our joints.

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on September 06, 2012
at 05:41 PM

+1 upvote for "don't drink it," but I have to say that as both a red wine lover and an avid knitter, neither one is a substite for the other. :)

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on September 06, 2012
at 03:29 PM

Do you know Rosé wine ids loaded with sugar?

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on September 06, 2012
at 02:45 PM

+1 Drinking a glass of water every hour before and after alcohol makes a big difference.

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on September 06, 2012
at 02:01 PM

If wine makes you feel bad then don't drink it. You probably don't eat wheat due to inflammation so why drink if it causes inflammation. Find other means of recreation. Maybe knitting or something.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:41 PM

+1 upvote for "don't drink it," but I have to say that as both a red wine lover and an avid knitter, neither one is a substite for the other. :)

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on October 13, 2013
at 12:18 AM

As for a substitute intoxicant, you may consider magic mushrooms. They actually *help* with joint inflammation. (I'm serious: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18708586)

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5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

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on September 06, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Sober up before you go to sleep. I find coconut water after drinking before bed helps, but it's best to be entirely sober.

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on October 10, 2013
at 06:47 PM

It's rare that I have a whole bottle but even then, plenty of water, some vitamin B, and perhaps coconut water or another good electrolyte source and a bit of time before bed to sober up works. It's better to sleep two less hours and be that much more sober than sleep two more hours when you're not.

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Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

on March 29, 2013
at 02:19 PM

Similar to the Highbrow Paleo stack... this has worked for me:

First, choose your poison wisely. Top-shelf vodkas & gins and low (<1%) RS wines top the list. Cheap and caramel liquors are better than beer which is the worst.

Get water into your body throughout the night.

Alternate the following:

Vitamin C

B-1

Alpha-Lipoic Acid

NAC

Right before bed take activated charcoal. Since it doesn't discriminate, I like to put some time between the rest of the stack and the charcoal. Seems wasteful to take them together.

Disclaimer... this is Dave Asprey's method. For more details google 'bulletproof hangover'.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 29, 2013
at 02:31 PM

Asprey explains.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 29, 2013
at 02:30 PM

Something to do with the liver. I don't recall exactly. Googledatshit.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 29, 2013
at 02:28 PM

Had always heard that B12 was the de-facto standard B vitamin of choice to lessen the hangover effects of alcohol. Just curious about why B1 instead?

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on September 06, 2012
at 01:47 PM

Drink a lot of water BEFORE and after drinking. Drinking the water before will allow you to be more hydrated and drink less when drinking. I have found that eggs help after to much wine.

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on September 06, 2012
at 02:45 PM

+1 Drinking a glass of water every hour before and after alcohol makes a big difference.

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on October 13, 2013
at 03:38 PM

Best tips I've come across from Chris Masterjohn, Hyperlipid etc:

1. Plenty of choline - eat your egg yolks before drinking.

2. Do not mix PUFA (including fish oil) or fructose with alcohol.

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on October 12, 2013
at 02:38 PM

Very easy:

1. consume activated charcoal pills as you drink - they absorb toxins and some of the alcohol.

2. switch to spirits, especially tequilla or whiskey as they contain far less toxins (beyond the alcohol)

Make sure you get enough B vitamins and C before and after as they are depleted.

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on October 10, 2013
at 06:25 PM

Well, if you enjoy alcohol and life without it is meaningless, the drink away. Although it definitely isn't healthy, but damn you will have a good time :-) OK, just kidding there. If you can stick to 1-2 real sized drinks (half a bottle of wine or just less than that) per day than you should be just fine if you are doing all the other things that are healthy for you and your liver (ie. JERF Paleo). Although, it might be best to cut it out for a little while then add it back in moderation.

I have actually wrote 2 times on my blog about it. Not that I am a medical practitioner or anything, but I did do some of my own research on the topic and shared what I found in the below listed posts.

http://www.thebarefootgolfer.com/2013/07/09/alcohol-our-liver-the-saturated-fat-protection-factor/

http://www.thebarefootgolfer.com/2013/02/22/alcohol-and-leaky-gut-the-probiotic-protection-factor/

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on October 06, 2013
at 10:02 PM

in addition to the above answers, take bilberry extract before & after. It is high in chlorogenic acid and myricetin, strong anti-inflammatants that actually process alcohol and formaldehydes out of your system. In fact you might find you can't get a buzz

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on September 22, 2013
at 02:38 AM

Let me emphasize the effect of sulfites and perhaps other things like sorbates that commercial winemakers put into their concoctions. They used to give me horrible hangovers. I started making my own wine in 2008, and now I have five families in the club. Everyone instantly realizes how light on your body fermented grape juice is. And it costs less. We bottle in 22 oz beer bottles for ease of handling, very unpretentious homemade wine with nothing added, which we start drinking in June of the next year. You can drink it every day, red or white, no prob.

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on September 21, 2013
at 05:34 PM

Red wine has less sulphites than white or rose. Wine makers put sulphur into wine to pull the extra oxygen out (and become a sulphite, I think). Most wine makers err on the side of caution, and put too much sulphur in. The residual sulphur can pull oxygen out of your system. Stick with low sulphite red wine!

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on June 14, 2013
at 02:30 AM

When I was drinking, my joints (knees, ankles, hips, wrists) would hurt like fire the morning after. Now that I stopped for almost a year it never happens. It was definitely inflammatory.

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on June 13, 2013
at 11:59 PM

It sounds like leaky gut to me.check out leaky gut and alcohol.

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on March 29, 2013
at 11:27 AM

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on September 07, 2012
at 06:09 AM

Yep, white is a no-go for me! Had 2 glasses last week and got so irritable after that i couldnt even stand being around myself! Way too much sugar. I do ok with red wine though. I will second the water during and after and a good multivitamin helps too! Eating protein foods help you feel better too.

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on September 06, 2012
at 08:08 PM

I often find that the quality of the wine helps, always spend as much as you can afford when you do drink it.

Rose and white wine give me problems, not sure why but I find red is fine, although with good quality red wine I usually fall asleep before I can do any real damage!

Red wine is generally considered the best option all round when you do the research.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on June 14, 2013
at 01:19 AM

Red wine can be really damaging to some people - I get inflammation after just a couple of sips. Glad you are okay with it, but what is "generally considered the best" is often exactly the worst thing for some. It isn't about the quality of the wine, it is the properties of wine that causes inflammation. Funnily enough, my experience is the opposite of yours - white and rose are fine, red is a disaster. I stick with whiskey!

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144e1a4e0753f285f3520d1e9ddbd690

on September 06, 2012
at 07:23 PM

Thanks for your answers. And especially the highbrowpaleo piece...that's exactly the info I'm looking for, and I love Stabby.

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on September 06, 2012
at 09:29 PM

I have done the Vitamin C + NAC thing, which keeps me from feeling like crap, but my joints still hurt like hell. The Quilt once mentioned that he thought the reason he screwed up his knee was because of alcohol, but he never explained what specifically alcohol is doing to our joints.

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B3222ea49a60d1d12a9d25f194c0f873

on September 06, 2012
at 04:41 PM

Red wine makes me feel like crap, too! Water definitely helps and I try to remember to take a multivitamin before going to bed to help replace what is lost.

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on September 15, 2012
at 11:49 AM

Purixa for uric acid reduction

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