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Los Angeles adopts Meatless Monday: Should more cities follow suit?

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Created November 16, 2012 at 10:38 AM

http://theweek.com/article/index/236261/los-angeles-adopts-meatless-monday-should-more-cities-follow-suit

I don't live in the city of grass fed Angels, but I wonder, if every city adopted something like this, could it really put more pressure on meat technicians to have a quality cut of meat on the grocery store shelf, or will it be simply "business as usual"

What do you think?

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A3c56c85290f748410a6f340ddd552b3

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on November 21, 2012
at 05:46 PM

You know, I was going to upvote for that, too, until my pragmatist side took over and beat that temptation down. I'm all for being able to FIND stuff as higher value than cleverness (at least in the tags, anyway).

A3c56c85290f748410a6f340ddd552b3

(321)

on November 21, 2012
at 05:44 PM

How about Moronless Monday?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on November 16, 2012
at 08:10 PM

Sustaining what, exactly?

7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

(454)

on November 16, 2012
at 07:17 PM

WOW. thats horrible!

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on November 16, 2012
at 06:18 PM

"That leaves more for us." My thoughts exactly! Also, we should all be eating less muscle meat anyway. I've been trying to figure out how to make that happen in my life without starving to death.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on November 16, 2012
at 06:17 PM

@Sara S. - True, but Wheatless Wednesday has a nice ring to it...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 16, 2012
at 02:39 PM

If consumption is reduced, more folks can be fed using sustainable practices, sustainable farmers already have excess demand for their product, consuming more as an individual doesn't help the sustainable farmer, but perhaps impedes the expansion of the sustainable product market.

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

(2349)

on November 16, 2012
at 02:23 PM

The way to encourage and support local, grassfed, sustainable, etc., livestock is to purchase and consume it. Eating less meat does not help you local livestock producer. Maybe at some point in the future if the population as a whole moved to a more Paleo type diet, then a reduction by some would be prudent. But we're not even close to that situation right now.

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

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on November 16, 2012
at 02:20 PM

http://grassfedcooking.com/2012/livestock-farming-scourge-of-the-planet-or-victim-of-bad-research/

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 16, 2012
at 02:12 PM

I wager there's a substantial number of sustainable practices farmers out there that are supportive of meatless Monday initiatives.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 16, 2012
at 02:10 PM

Depends what you mean by sustainable. "Biodynamic" agriculture proponents make a big sell on how great their method is, and I really don't doubt that it's likely the best method out there. It's our level of consumption - paleo or SAD - that's unsustainable. I wager Joel Salatin (and other "sustainable" farmers) does not have the paleo diet in mind with some folks consuming pounds of meat daily when he tosses around the word 'sustainable.'

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on November 16, 2012
at 02:03 PM

"Small-farm Monday" just doesn't have the same ring. Nor does "Big Ag-less Monday".

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on November 16, 2012
at 02:01 PM

I'm not an expert, but from what I've read and understood, biodynamically raised animals are sustainable. So it's not the meat per se that's bad, but how it's produced. If you disagree, I'd be interested to read why (or to be pointed to an article that explains why).

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on November 16, 2012
at 11:50 AM

And besides... if no one is paying attention, Dairy and Eggs are even worse as far as pollution and animal abuse goes. Most meatless monday participants are making dishes that feature eggs or dairy.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on November 16, 2012
at 11:00 AM

No... what it encourages businesses to do is have more GMO grain based crap on the shelves. Buying grassfed meat encourages grassfed meat on the shelves. Vegetarian choices will make no difference to the meat shelves.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 16, 2012
at 12:49 PM

Paleo folks won't like to hear it: we eat too much meat. Sustainability is a big concern. Reducing meat consumption is probably a good idea.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 16, 2012
at 02:10 PM

Depends what you mean by sustainable. "Biodynamic" agriculture proponents make a big sell on how great their method is, and I really don't doubt that it's likely the best method out there. It's our level of consumption - paleo or SAD - that's unsustainable. I wager Joel Salatin (and other "sustainable" farmers) does not have the paleo diet in mind with some folks consuming pounds of meat daily when he tosses around the word 'sustainable.'

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 16, 2012
at 02:12 PM

I wager there's a substantial number of sustainable practices farmers out there that are supportive of meatless Monday initiatives.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on November 16, 2012
at 02:01 PM

I'm not an expert, but from what I've read and understood, biodynamically raised animals are sustainable. So it's not the meat per se that's bad, but how it's produced. If you disagree, I'd be interested to read why (or to be pointed to an article that explains why).

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 16, 2012
at 02:39 PM

If consumption is reduced, more folks can be fed using sustainable practices, sustainable farmers already have excess demand for their product, consuming more as an individual doesn't help the sustainable farmer, but perhaps impedes the expansion of the sustainable product market.

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

(2349)

on November 16, 2012
at 02:20 PM

http://grassfedcooking.com/2012/livestock-farming-scourge-of-the-planet-or-victim-of-bad-research/

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

(2349)

on November 16, 2012
at 02:23 PM

The way to encourage and support local, grassfed, sustainable, etc., livestock is to purchase and consume it. Eating less meat does not help you local livestock producer. Maybe at some point in the future if the population as a whole moved to a more Paleo type diet, then a reduction by some would be prudent. But we're not even close to that situation right now.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on November 16, 2012
at 08:10 PM

Sustaining what, exactly?

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on November 16, 2012
at 12:24 PM

Nope. It just means more vegetarians are pushing their way of eating on everyone else.

No thanks. I don't live in LA, but god, I love that city. Except for idiocy such as this.

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on November 16, 2012
at 09:05 PM

They started doing this in my campus dining facilities, and I was worried that meant I couldn't get my protein for the day!

On my campus they did something else the other day called "Farm to college" where we had a whole spread of dishes with ingredients from local farms, and it was sooo good. Now that is something that should become more widespread!

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on November 16, 2012
at 06:12 PM

I have no problem with going Meatless -- yes it's fun to joke around about being carnivores, but the truth is -- by volume -- the vast majority of my food is vegetables, then fruit, then meat, then nuts/seeds.

My problem with Meatless Mondays is that it typically means pasta with sugar-filled marinara or Pizza or french fries and grilled cheese or whatever. I think those choices are sufficiently worse for children to eat in their cafeteria lunch (although the truth is the were likely eating that stuff with low quality meats anyways). I would support meatless Mondays if it were less processed crap more quality ingredients -- but I doubt it.

Also if it included eggs -- and bacon :)

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on November 16, 2012
at 02:57 PM

No effect. The 5 people on the west side who don't already adhere to a meat-eschewing form of privileged class ethical superiority will adhere to the city council's suggestion. The rest of town will be too busy dealing with real life.

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8d6390b3b8991a9cb653a3d13c1cbf6a

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on November 16, 2012
at 01:44 PM

Yes, all cities across the US should encourage people to move towards meatless Mondays. And Tuesdays, Wednesday, Thursdays, and Fridays.

That leaves more for us :D

More seriously, how health recommendations are actually healthy? Shrug. I put this one in the same category as most governmental recommendations regarding diet. As far as a "high quality meat," I doubt there is much agreement on what that is. Remember, for most people, skinless chicken breast would be high on the list; aside from Cordain followers, most paleo folks wouldn't be that keen on it.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on November 16, 2012
at 06:18 PM

"That leaves more for us." My thoughts exactly! Also, we should all be eating less muscle meat anyway. I've been trying to figure out how to make that happen in my life without starving to death.

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on November 16, 2012
at 12:58 PM

All I know is that the topic tags for this question are epic.

A3c56c85290f748410a6f340ddd552b3

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on November 21, 2012
at 05:46 PM

You know, I was going to upvote for that, too, until my pragmatist side took over and beat that temptation down. I'm all for being able to FIND stuff as higher value than cleverness (at least in the tags, anyway).

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on April 25, 2015
at 06:18 AM

Yes i'll check it.

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on November 16, 2012
at 02:31 PM

I read something interesting recently, but now can't think of where, about how the Catholic church's avoidance of meat on Fridays was healthful in a number of ways, and not just because they ate fish instead although that was part of it.

But I would guess the number of people who follow government guidelines like that is very small. Will also note that in many cities, Monday is probably the day the fewest people eat out in restaurants -- would not be surprised if that's why they picked it.

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