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Vaccines and Your Immune System - a dilemna?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Vaccines are something made "necessary" because of world travel - virus can take a plane ride around the globe quickly. So vaccines are a "good for mankind". They simply alert the immune system that, if it sees anything like this benign substance, it???s to destroy it. Additives (which are up to 1/2 of the vaccine material) are there to help the vaccine work better. Unfortunately they are often toxins.

Dilemna (IMHO): On healthy people, with optimally functioning immune systems, vaccines would work the best (assuming they do work), because those people would have the ability to detoxify the toxins riding along with the vaccine. An optimally functioning immune system and well-functioning detoxification systems go hand in hand in a body. But these people would have no need for the vaccine. They would not have accumulated high levels of the environmental toxins from air, water, food, etc. People with weakened immune systems would likely succumb to the virus, so the vaccine would seem to be a savior, but these people would also not have the ability to detoxify those toxins, because a weak immune system and weakened detoxification ability go hand-in-hand in a body. And they will likely succumb to the toxin's affects - neurological damage being the prime result.

In other words, vaccines force you to gamble that you might have enough detoxification ability to avoid potential neurological damage if your immune system is not functioning optimally. Also consider the questionable undetected biological vectors that ride along with various injections (monkey/cow/pig/egg production methods). They may play havoc with immune system function.

Question: Would vaccines wreak more havoc on people with optimally functioning immune systems (who most likely have no need for a vaccine) or on people with weakened immune systems (who would be more unable to handle the virus)?

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on January 27, 2013
at 10:07 PM

@matt we took him to the doctor to make sure it wasn't something like meningitis, and they tested for the flu by taking a sample from his nose

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on January 27, 2013
at 08:49 PM

Excellent post, UncleLongHair. I completely agree.

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on January 27, 2013
at 08:42 PM

How do you know your son had the flu?

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on January 14, 2013
at 12:52 AM

bingo....he "answered" his own "questions". I'll use those terms loosely here.

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on January 13, 2013
at 09:37 PM

April, He is looking for a forum to discuss his thesis, not for an answer to a question. Read the FAQs.

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on January 13, 2013
at 06:28 PM

I think it's a question. He's asking if there's a "dilemma" between vaccines and what they do to one's immune system. Hence, the title. The rest of the post is his own 2 cents of why this is so. Come on people, be a little open-minded.

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on January 13, 2013
at 05:10 PM

definitely not a question.

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on January 13, 2013
at 05:06 PM

And I don't think even healthy people can detoxify mercury in their bodies

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on January 13, 2013
at 05:05 PM

you can edit this into a question though

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on January 13, 2013
at 04:40 PM

^What she said.

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on January 13, 2013
at 04:39 PM

While I like many of your points, David, this is not a real question--more like a blog post entry & will likely be closed. Marksdailyapple.com is a more appropriate forum.

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on January 27, 2013
at 08:31 PM

My personal opinion is that vaccines make sense for dangerous diseases like polio, but I really question their effectiveness for things like the flu.

My opinion (obviously not shared by most of the medical establishment) is that, if you are otherwise healthy, the flu is not dangerous. The vaccines are not totally effective (there are reports of many people contracting the flu even after getting a flu shot), but do have side effects. Meanwhile, flu vaccines have side effects.

Polio shots carefully and continuously administered can possibly wipe the disease out completely. Flu shots have no hope of wiping out the flu, because it mutates too often and too fast. So I don't think there is any "benefit to mankind" for flu shots.

My 9 year old son just got the flu. He ran a fever of about 101F for one day, about 103F for another day, then about 102F for the third day. He missed 3 days of school and didn't make anyone else sick. Really it was no bigger a deal than a bad cold or food poisoning. I just think that concerns over the flu are way overblown.

Instead, I wish that all of the money and energy that goes into producing, marketing, and distributing flu shots instead went into helping people to boost their immune systems and otherwise improve their health. I wish that there were some kind of immune system test that people could take similar to how they check blood pressure and cholesterol. People should take easy steps towards improving their immune systems such as improving their diet, dropping foods to which they are allergic or which give them an inflammatory response, getting enough vitamin D, including losing their fear of the sun and supplementing when necessary, etc. These things would do so much more for their health IMHO than paying for a useless and risky shot once or twice a year.

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on January 27, 2013
at 10:07 PM

@matt we took him to the doctor to make sure it wasn't something like meningitis, and they tested for the flu by taking a sample from his nose

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on January 27, 2013
at 08:49 PM

Excellent post, UncleLongHair. I completely agree.

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on January 27, 2013
at 08:42 PM

How do you know your son had the flu?

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on January 27, 2013
at 08:43 PM

David, your understanding of the composition of a vaccine and how it works is not very accurate. The 'toxins' you refer to, are 'adjuvants'. These substances are immunologically active, but in a productive way. Your immune system would not react to any kind of antigen (i.e. substance recognized as non-self) by building immunological memory. That's what the adjuvants are for. That's why the injection site can sometimes be tender for a few days after vaccination. The adjuvants call in the immune cells, that causes inflammation, and during that inflammatory process the antigen is recognized and a specific immune response mounted. The whole purpose of a vaccine is to induce memory, so that the second time your body encounters a particular substance, your immune response to it will be bigger and faster. Even if you are totally healthy ... you will benefit from vaccination. It definitely makes sense for severe pathologies. The issue with flu is that there are so many different strains, it is hard to know which strain(s) to include in a seasonal vaccine. If a different flu strain comes up during the flu season, you would not be protected if it wasn't included in the vaccine in the first place. The primary reason to get vaccinated is to not infect elderly or immunosuppressed patients (transplant patients, HIV-infected people) that might die from it. Also, many infections are believed to be the flu (i.e. infection with the actual influenza virus), but really aren't. Many other viruses have similar infection symptoms. You would need a specific detection assay to be sure that you have the flu. A real flu infection with a virulent strain is something you will remember for a lifetime.

Obviously there's the whole deal about how vaccination impacts health (negatively) and might even trigger autism and other side effects in kids. There's no real data to support this, but it's certainly possible, depending on your genetic makeup ...

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on January 13, 2013
at 07:45 PM

Healthy people can cleanse mercury from the body. Supporting the glutathione system and all of the enzymes and transporter proteins that must be working properly if the body is to efficiently cleanse itself of mercury is key, according to Dr. Mercola. He has an article TODAY on new testing that can show which of the natural detoxification pathways may not be working properly in an individual: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/13/mercury-detoxification-protocol.aspx?e_cid=20130113_SNL_Art_1

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