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Trying to fix Insomnia & IBS with Water Fasting

Commented on July 02, 2016
Created October 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Hi All,

this is an experiment, not really a question. If it is not acceptable on this website, please delete the thread.

I've been suffering from insomnia and IBS for 20 years (I'm 33 now). Maybe I was born with this problem, I don't know. What I know for sure is that things get worse day by day.

I've tried pretty much everything (and visited any kind of doctor with no success). I was a vegetarian, then went Paleo, then followed the GAPS diet. Every time I begin with something new, it seems to work, but after a few weeks, I go back to day 1 with the same old problems.

Life is so difficult. I'm always bloated and exhausted. No sleep. Whatever food I eat gives me IBS. No social life, recently no job, just staying home (really fatigued) trying to heal.

So, 5 days ago, I started a water fasting to see if finally things are getting better.

I would like to keep a little diary on PH and maybe get some suggestions and recommendations from anybody who tried this before. I don't know how long this is going to be. I will listen to my body and decide accordingly.

HEALTH PROBLEMS I HAVE (BEFORE STARTING THE WATER-FASTING)

  • Arthritis
  • Back Pain
  • Brain Fog
  • Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
  • Chronic Feet Ingrown Toe Nails
  • Digestive issues & Bloating
  • Dry Skin
  • Dysbiosis
  • Hair Loss
  • Inflammation of the Gum Tissue (Gingivitis)
  • Insomnia
  • Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
  • Joint Pain
  • Low Body Temperature
  • Muscle cramps
  • Neck Pain
  • Night Sweats
  • Nocturnal Polyuria
  • Palpitations
  • Restless Legs Syndrome
  • Seborrheic dermatitis (scalp, eyebrows, ears, chest)
  • Tooth Sensitivity to Cold

WATER FASTING REPORT

DAY 1-4: the first day was really ok. Second and third a bit hungry and weak. Day 4 was with better energy and rare hunger. My insomnia stopped from day 2. I can sleep well now. And that's a good thing.

DAY 5: I'm still half-way through but I slept well last night and I feel well rested with no hunger (drinking water now). Tonight I slept quite well. No particular bloating. Just a little and tolerable one. I had a bath with Epsom Salt and it has helped a lot. Soon after, I was a bit weak, but an hour later, I started to feel good and energetic. Will try again tomorrow but just before going to sleep. I also had my first enema (only water) and although was able to clean my colon a bit, I felt gassy afterwards.

DAY 6: the first part of the night wasn't good. After the enema, I felt bloated (while I had the sensation of needle stinging in my liver) and couldn't sleep until late. I also had a bad arthritis on my right hand (as usual) which during the night extended to the entire arm. Then, I slept. Woke up late but quite energetic. I had a little nap in the afternoon but the day was ok. My liver seems to be ok now (no more stinging) like my arthritis. My tongue is still coated but cleaning day by day. My lips are still very dry (as usual) although seem to improve. While my urge to pee every few hours is currently gone.

During the last day I felt some kind of rigidity when urinating (around the bladder) although no problem or pain when peeing. My seborrheic dermatitis is doing well. Red rashes on the chest disappeared yesterday. I still have some scabs on my eyebrows while the crusts in my ears and scalp have mostly gone. My chronic ingrown nails (both feet) are also improving. Left one is ok (no more pain). Right one still aching but less and less. In the end, my body temperature is increasing. Still have very cold feet, but the rest (usually freezing) is ok.

DAY 7: last night I couldn't sleep at all. Not even one minute. I had a continuous pain in my liver, especially when laid down in bed. Despite all this, the day was good, I had good energy and has been so far the best day while fasting. I tried to go out for a walk but it was too cold and when fasting it is advisable to keep warm. My little asthma seems to be gone (together with short breathe) while the chronic cramp in my right calf is disappearing little by little Same applies to my back pain. Also my voice is back (always suffered from cough and being aphonic) as it had not for many years. During the day I felt a bit hungry but reading the book of Dr. Shelton helped me to deceive my symptoms and continue with my journey. The point is that whatever I watch on TV, I see people cooking and eating :-(( So I need to find something else to do.

Weight Check on Day 7: today I checked my weight for the first time after a week. So far, I lost 5 kg (11 pounds).

I've always been skinny as the problem resides in malabsorption. Whatever I eat, doesn't get absorbed properly. I've been eating nourishing food for 8 months, taking supplements, without ever cheating and never skipping one single meal. I couldn't take one single pound. Actually I lost some.

DAY 8: finally, last night was perfect. The best was that I never had to go to the bathroom to urinate (which I usually do 6-8 times per night). It was intense and somehow short (5 hours, although a good record for me). But I read that when fasting (and not digesting), the body usually needs much less time to rest. My dry lips are finally well and naturally hydrated. All the rest seems to be ok (no liver pain for the moment). My tongue is still well coated, although some pink areas are appearing. No palpitations today. Hunger is under control. Moreover, I received Dr. Shelton's book ("Fasting can save your life" 1964, highly recommended!) and devoured it in one day. It was amazing and so clarifying through the fasting. A must-read book for whoever wants to try this experience!

DAY 9: last night was absolutely sleepless. Not even one minute. But at least, no pain. I could lay in the bed all time and relaxing somehow. Also, I had all night "restless legs syndrome" (I hadn't this since long time). During the day I was more tired than usual and so I stayed calm on the couch in silence and darkness. Beyond being very tired I have dry skin and an herpes on the right side of my mouth (this is visible since almost the beginning of the fasting and it is very hard to improve). No hunger at all though. Occasional burping during the day and today (for the first time) I felt the need to throw up. But it wasn't strong enough and didn't happen.

DAY 10: last night was good. I slept in the bed for about 4 hours (from 3 to 7) and then on the couch (from 8 to noon). I feel very well rested now. I read somewhere that during the night the body (mainly through the liver) detoxifies and when it can't (because of too many toxins) creates a tension in the body that makes impossible to relax and thus insomnia. It's exactly the same sensation I have (and always had in the last years) at night (although improving day by day). Today I'll check again my weight and update you. Ah, no hunger!!

Weight Check on Day 10: since last weight check (day 7), I lost 1.5 Kg (3.3 pounds). While from Day 1 until today, I lost 6.5 Kg (14.3 pounds).

DAY 11: the night (sleep) was somehow difficult. I wasn't sleepy until 3AM,but although I wasn't ready to lay down (felt, as usual, some tension in my body and was impossible to sleep) decided anyway to try sleeping (not a smart decision). I laid down on the sofa and as soon as I did, my restless legs syndrome started. I couldn't resist much. So I sat on the couch in a comfortable position and remained still for a few hours. It was a great time. I felt my body get loose, little by little, and a sense of wellness pervading every cell of my body. Early in the morning, I went to bed and slept well until late (in total, 6-7 hours). I feel very good now. Maybe the best time since I started the fasting. I still have some arthritis to my right hand (coming and going) but tolerable. My herpes is improving. I have instead some rigidity around the neck. While my tongue is getting cleaner everyday (this is a good sign of detox). My hair look thicker and my skin face color healthier than usual. Hunger is missing. My father (MD) just checked my pressure and heartbeat. It's all perfect. ;-))

DAY 12 & 13: these 2 days have been very difficult. The hardest ones from the beginning. I've been so bloated and gassy. Back pain and no way to sleep or rest. I really don't know where all this gas is coming from considering I've been only consuming filtered water for the last 13 days. The only good thing is that my legs are getting stronger and today I was able to walk a bit without too much effort. Another good thing is my body temperature. Today, for the first time, I took my second jumper off (without freezing) after 13 days.At the same time, my mouth tastes of medicine (or chemical). My tongue is 50% coated. So I'm probably half way through. Tomorrow, new weight check. I didn't write earlier cause there was no energy left. Right now I'm feeling a bit better. I hope things are improving.

DAY 14: after the last 2 gassy days, all the air in my intestine reabsorbed, and I instantly got so energetic. I stayed awake all night, feeling well. Only at 8 AM, I was able to sleep 5 hours. I then woke up rested and felt good for the rest of the day.

Weight Check on Day 14: since last weight check (day 10), I lost 1.6 Kg (3.5 pounds). While from Day 1 until today, I lost 8.1 Kg (17.8 pounds).

DAY 15: it was another bloated and difficult night which I was anyway able to manage through walking and sitting on a chair. I also had pain in a teeth (where I have a root canal). The pain has now subsided. Early in the morning I was then able to sleep. My urine is quite smelly (medicine) in these days. I also have the sensation that everytime I'm trying to hold my pee, I feel worse (more bloated than usual). So it's better to pee very often. I also had some cravings at night, but it wasn't real hunger. Just some random thoughts (I dreamt of stewed rabbit!!) which went away easily upon deep breathing.

DAY 16: the night was bad (no sleep at al) but entertaining (US Election Day). Only at 11 AM was able to sleep a few hours (very bloated). During the day I had my father (MD) to check my BP (highest: 80). BP was quite low (in the previous days, highest BP was 100). SO we had a discussion and it was quite stressing. I was in general weaker than usual, but I believe it was due to my lack of sleep. It's not the first time I felt like that (even when non fasting).

DAY 17: last night was again difficult. I stayed awake until 4 AM, then laid down. Couldn't sleep, but had no symptoms so I relaxed a bit. Later, a severe bloating started again and went on for several hours. So I sat on a chair (it usually helps to dissipate the bloating). It didn't help much. Later in the morning (although I couldn't lay down) I comfortably sat on the couch and was able to sleep for 5 hours. It was good. MD came in again, we had a conflicting discussion. My BP was checked again (this time the highest BP was 120) and was finally good. I had to clarify a few issues with my father and clearly realized that being an MD doesn't mean (at all!) knowing what "fasting" means. It was good and releasing. He is worried, but I'm improving and that's what it counts.

Weight Check on Day 17: since last weight check (day 14), I lost 300 gr. (0.7 pounds). While from Day 1 until today, I lost 8.4 Kg (18.5 pounds).

MOST DIFFICULT THINGS TO DEAL WITH WHILE FASTING

1. Dealing with your family members They are mostly skeptical and afraid (I also have a doctor in my family!). So in the end, beyond being already quite weak you have to explain and reassuring them everyday that everything is going fine. Not always easy but necessary to continue your fasting.

2. Managing your Time Time is very extended and slow while fasting. Eating which means many things (thinking about what to eat, shopping, putting things in order, setting the table, feeding everybody, cooking, cleaning, eating, digesting) is so much time consuming that you don't have a precise idea unless you try fasting. Your perception of time drastically changes while fasting (and possibly improves).

3. Managing your energy level This changes according to people. In my case (like many others) my energy level is quite low. Until now, I can barely move from the couch to the bed and have some occasional and very fast showers. Every step triggers an important heartbeat accelerations which may result scary in the beginning (unless you know this is normal). Even turning in the bed produces heart acceleration. So it's wise to move slowly and mainly stay firm. Maybe things will improve (like seasoned pratictioners report).

For most people, fasting is an unusual experience. This is particularly so if it is a first fast. The faster is likely to experience unfounded anxiety, uncertainty, mental perturbation, even fear. In addition, he experiences new feelings and sensations that may disturb him. For these reasons alone, the best place to fast is at an institution, under the guidance of a man of wide experience in fasting. H.M. Shelton

See you tomorrow with new updates.

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on July 02, 2016
at 07:10 AM

IBS and insomnia for 13 years but no mention of erectile dysfunction. How is it possible?

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(10)

on November 19, 2012
at 12:30 PM

Any update on your experiment?

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(261)

on November 09, 2012
at 12:28 AM

Of course I won't go without food forever. I'm almost done. It's your body dictating what to do. There are specific rules. When ketosis ends, you get very hungry, your tongue gets pink again (meaning detox is completed) and must start referring. There are tons of books and studies about it. I would suggest to read some books from Dr. Herbert Shelton. And yes, I did try both ZC & VLC. In both cases, my insomnia worsened (if possible).

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on November 08, 2012
at 09:42 PM

you can't go without food forever. Have you tried ZC or VLC diets?

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(261)

on November 08, 2012
at 08:56 PM

I visited any kind of doctor. I tried GAPS. Tried probiotics, kefir, kombucha, fermented foods. Nothing worked. I also did Rifaximin (entire cycle) with zero results. This is why I decided to try fasting.

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(261)

on November 07, 2012
at 12:45 AM

Thanks Winicki. I did several stool test but never diagnosed with Candida (but I know it's very difficult to detect candida with regular stool test). I then did the Metametrix Stool Test (DNA) which is much more accurate. But even in this case, no Candida. The only one who found Candida was my Kinesiologist through the muscle test. Since then (May 2012), I followed a specific diet to eliminate Candida. No sugar, no pasta, etc.. In July I went Paleo, had no sweet in any form, so I believe the diet has been long enough to cure Candida.

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(261)

on November 06, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Thanks. Found it and read. But I don't think it applies to my case.

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(261)

on November 06, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Hopefully yes ;-))

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on November 05, 2012
at 03:28 AM

Just read your status - great work, sounds like you will know what to watch for in terms of staying safe.

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on November 05, 2012
at 02:36 AM

*Chiari - spelled incorrectly.

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(261)

on November 05, 2012
at 02:23 AM

Thanks Michelle. Will for sure check Dr. Oro.

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(261)

on November 02, 2012
at 07:43 PM

There's a lot of literature and many cases healed from insomnia through water fasting. After the first days, hunger goes (unbelievably) away. I thought the same, but I was wrong.

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(261)

on November 02, 2012
at 01:04 PM

Oh please, don't even say that.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

(261)

on November 02, 2012
at 01:03 PM

Hmm, no salt for me. My heart is doing well in these days. But I read (thanks Dr. Shelton) that the pain around the heart area are not related to the possible heart failure but to the gas in the intestine going up and causing this pain in the chest. In fact I did several heart check, but everything was always fine.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

(261)

on November 02, 2012
at 01:01 PM

In these days, things are improving (with ups and downs). Now I can sleep, but never before early morning, cause until then, I have some kind of pain/tension in my liver/stomach are which makes me feel somehow gassy which doesn't allow to relax. By sitting down, these symptoms go away and I can lay down and sleep about 7-8 hours. Not bad.

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on November 02, 2012
at 08:37 AM

Do you add a pinch of salt to your water as Gandhi was known to do? I am also considering a potassium supplement to have on hand in case I notice heart trouble. Any thoughts?

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(4642)

on November 02, 2012
at 02:43 AM

Lack of sleep is the worst, and I think you're spot on that it is an immune killer. Are you still going strong? I also read a study that took healthy 20 somethings and deprived them of sleep, allowing them to sleep only 4 hours per night, and within a week, they all had pre-diabetic blood labs and were showing signs of insulin resistance. I had a bout of insomnia one year during college and it was terrible. It started with some all nighters, mixed with some depression, and then I got into a cycle that was so hard to get out of.

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(261)

on November 01, 2012
at 03:58 PM

We'll see. Transplant is definitely something I'm going to considering after the fast.

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(261)

on November 01, 2012
at 03:37 PM

Oh yes. I recently ordered it from Green Pasture. Waiting to be delivered. Will try after the fasting.

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(5150)

on November 01, 2012
at 03:26 PM

^Fermented Cod Liver Oil. It's supposedly superior to just CLO.

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on November 01, 2012
at 01:38 PM

Yeah, if you have a lot of C. Diff that is a really hard to treat infection that is often resistant. Fecal transplant is becoming a popular method to treat it, especially after trying oral/IV antibiotics. It's a brutal gut infection that's really hard to crowd out or treat any other way. If you didn't want to go the antibiotics route first, I would still say fecal transplant is your best option in this case. C Diff is probably not going to go away no matter how much water fasting you do.

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(261)

on November 01, 2012
at 12:44 PM

Yes. The first and second week is the period where you lose most of the weight. Then, the loss is usually very little. In any case, there might be exceptions. Some people lose more and other less.

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(261)

on November 01, 2012
at 12:43 PM

I'm sure it's not the solution for everybody. It's only often when you tried everything and are kind of desperate that you want to try water fasting. If you are generally ok, you can live your life, you probably have not enough motivation to do this. I discussed this with my sister last week and she was against fasting. I understand her. I would probably think the same in her position (she is good and healthy). But in my place, after 20 years of suffering, I have a good reason to try this (after medications and surgeries that didn't work). So, it's always a matter of point of views in life.

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(261)

on November 01, 2012
at 12:39 PM

Yes Zaitz, you're right. This is one of the few risks occurring when fasting and possible cause of death. But I don't think you must be genetically pre-disposed. I think you need to be very well motivated and sure this will work for you. If you are in fear of it or concerned about the risks, it's much safer to stay away from it. It's a journey, not only physical, but also a mental and spiritual process. You must accept and be ready to this transformation.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

(261)

on November 01, 2012
at 12:35 PM

In the end, after the first (usually difficult) days, hunger goes away for a more or less extended period. During the period "Ketosis" the body starts using the fat cells. After this process finishes, a natural and strong hunger shows up. That is the moment to break the fast. Otherwise, you body starts starving and in order to survive starts eating your organs and creating permanent damages. This is what I got from Dr. Shelton's book. So, it's a matter of listening very carefully to your body. Fear and being anxious doesn't help and are signs to stop the fasting immediately.

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(261)

on November 01, 2012
at 12:28 PM

Regarding the fasting, according to Dr. Shelton and others, the percentage of muscle you lose is very little during a long fast, while also very thin people do have enough fat cells to fast. There's a chapter in the book called: "Fasting to grow fat" where these patients although they eat a lot they can't get any fatter but keep losing weight because whatever passes through their body doesn't get absorbed. While they are able to put on weight soon after a long fasting (a lot of weight), eating much less than before, but absorbing much more than before. I hope it works the same for me.

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(261)

on November 01, 2012
at 12:25 PM

Thanks for the answers. I hope oregano works for you. I tried several homeopathic solutions with oregano, garlic, etc, but nothing worked for me. THe point is that I was in a situation where whatever I ate, it gave me pain.

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:49 AM

I lost about 25 lbs. during my fast, which is a lot considering I was already thin... it was probably mostly muscle that I lost. Had it been fat, I wouldn't have lost as much in weight. My body was telling me to stop, I started to become more and more anxious towards the end. My first meal was a small bowl of watermelon. I then proceeded with really small meals of other fruits. Then veggies after a few days. I was vegan at the time, so I just continued eating raw fruit & veg for a good while. You have to go really easy and not overeat, which I'm sure you know having read Shelton.

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(153)

on November 01, 2012
at 12:41 AM

Hi Michael. I honestly think I've had SIBO since I was 3 or 4 (23 now)...unfortunately I had a lot of ear infections as a child and was treated with many antibiotics. I think that's what started it all. However I didn't really notice my IBS until a few years ago.

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(153)

on November 01, 2012
at 12:38 AM

Thanks JeJ for your input and concern. The last few days I've been taking oregano oil 2-3 times daily between meals (as prescribed on the bottle) and so far it hasn't seemed to irritate my gut, at least not that I've noticed. I've been feeling "achy" though, I'm not sure whether or not that's related.

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(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 07:27 AM

Can I ask you how much weight you lost during your fasting? Also, how you decided to stop? Had your tongue completely cleared? In the end, how did you break the fast (which juice, food in the beginning and for how many days)? Thank you.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 07:24 AM

Yes, it's almost 20 years I can't sleep. I can't remember (before fasting) the last night I slept properly. It's really horrible. Just to get rid of this would a great success. I believe sleeping well would be a fundamental part to start again fighting against IBS. I believe that not sleeping for days and days lowers my immune system and this makes SIBO even stronger and impossible to combat regardless of my big discipline at eating and supplementing. Step by step.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 07:05 AM

Actually, I tried once Rifaximin (I hope I spelled it correctly in English) for small intestine overgrowth bacteria with no effect. I don't know if this is the same type of antibiotics you were referring to.

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(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 07:01 AM

Actually, I tried once Rifaximin (I hope I spelled correctly in English) for small intestine overgrowth bacteria with no effect. I don't is this is the same type of antibiotics you were referring to.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 07:01 AM

Thanks for sharing this. I hope to fix at least my insomnia (which is somehow already sorted out after a week of fasting). Then consider other alternatives for IBS. How long have you suffered from SIBO (if I can ask)? Thanks.

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on October 30, 2012
at 06:59 AM

Nice. Lots of sleep always helps me. I sleep at least 10 hours (or make myself stay in bed for at least that long) because I noticed that it helped me feel so much better and that my body was in less stress. I know some people who work out when they do long fasts, and I think that it causes stress on the body, which in addition to not eating, won't help out. Insomnia sucks so bad, I really hope this helps you break though :)

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(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 06:55 AM

A few months ago I did the stool test with Metametrix in the US. It showed a strong dysbiosis and difficult to digest gluten, fats and proteins. High levels of C. Difficile. So, you tried the transplant at home? Did it work for you?

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(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 06:50 AM

Same for me. I did ferment many vegetables. The point is that I can't tolerate any kind of vegetable (fermented, raw, cooked, blended). I tried (for a while) to juice veggies and drinking the juice of fermented veggies (as suggested in GAPS), but in all cases it gave digestive problems.

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(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 06:47 AM

Thanks, I did watch several videos and ready many articles. I just woke up. Finally I slept well and everything seems much better today.

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(261)

on October 30, 2012
at 06:46 AM

No, I didn't try Biokult. I mainly used VSL#3 as probiotics (with no effect. What is FCLO?

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on October 30, 2012
at 03:44 AM

If you are going to ingest a bunch of oregnao, peppermint, and garlic oils, you are basically taking a high dose of antibiotics. They can be more potent and cause more tissue irritation than encapsulated antibiotics. Something to consider, make sure you are going under the advice of a practitioner to avoid any tissue damage from contact.

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on October 30, 2012
at 03:43 AM

Well, I mention the antibitics because it's not a bad idea before a fecal transplant to really kill off any bad guys. Also, you could have had some awful gut infection for years that hitting the "reset" button with antibiotics would be worth it. Antibiotics are not all bad, they can save lives or improve quality in terms of eliminating a very dangerous pathogen wrecking havoc. Chronic infection would probably have been explored with a blood test at some point if your doc had any sense though, so maybe it was eliminated as a possibility without consultation.

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(4642)

on October 30, 2012
at 02:45 AM

There are a lot of people who vlog their water fasts on youtube, some of them do it every day for 20-40 days and talk about their experiences. You may want to do a search on that, it can help one not feel so alone when fasting, since it is such a lonely, internal experience. I haven't made any videos in a while so I don't have a pulse on the community, but if you sort by date you will find current fasters, but most popular you will probably get older fasts, but thorough accounts!

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on October 30, 2012
at 12:10 AM

I think fermented foods can be good for a lot of people, but some (like me) don't tolerate them well. Too much yeast and histamine probably.

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on October 30, 2012
at 12:03 AM

honestly, paying someone to do fecal transplant for you is a total waste of money. i did all of mine at home. it's a messy process and requires a lot of cleaning, but it's definitely doable if you have the poop and somebody to help you. my mom helped with the cleaning because a lot of things get poop on them- blender, bowls, strainers, funnels, enema bottles. all of this needs to be really disinfected before and after each use.

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on October 29, 2012
at 11:54 PM

When you tried GAPS did you try supplementing with BIOKULT and/or FCLO as well? After taking those my issues have definitely decreased.

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on October 29, 2012
at 11:06 PM

Thanks Lyssa for your suggestion. Unfortunately I visited many and the most renown doctors in Italy and moved from north to south in my country with no relevant results. Moreover did so many (and often unpleasant) medical exams and spent a lot of money to be still at day 1.So now it's fasting time.

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on October 29, 2012
at 11:03 PM

Not really. But I don't intend trying more meds in my life. I already had enough with very miserable results.

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on October 29, 2012
at 11:02 PM

Thanks Jackie. Great resource. I spent all day reading the entire book. Very informative and entertaining. Also supportive during my journey. Certain symptoms have worried me a bit (palpitations) but seem to be quite normal according to Shelton.

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at 03:26 AM

Dr. Shelton has a book free online - http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch1.htm You can click forward to each chapter, not sure if it is the same book, but I found the information to be helpful. It can be tough to wade through some of it, but I think there are definitely parts that end up making sense. Dr. Fuhrman does advocate a vegetarian diet in his books, but the Fasting and Eating for health is mostly about fasting and was the most informative resource I have found (and most straight forward). Let me know how you do!

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on October 28, 2012
at 09:17 PM

Also, I presume you've already tried antibiotics with a doc?

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on October 28, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Thanks a lot for the link provided. Reading it.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:37 PM

Some stuff: http://paleohacks.com/questions/14120/fecal-transplant-the-magic-pill#axzz2Ad0ja2NR . Testing the donor sample very thoroughly is more important than emphasized on this thread though.

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Also, hopefully you have a good health professional that can be your go-to. Someone that can help you order tests throughout this whole process is really important to keep everything on track and safe.

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Thanks Jackie. I read many sites about fasting (before fasting) but this one you mentioned which I'll definitely check. I don't know Joel Fuhrmans' book, but will research it. Just today I ordered a book by Dr. Herbert Shelton who seemed to be an expert in this field. Yes, I'm positive and I believe this is the main point when fasting otherwise you get overwhelmed by fear and whatever symptom you have (even positive ones) you believe you're going to damage yourself and ultimately die. Fasting is good for the spirit too, but you need somehow to be ready to fast. Thanks for your encouragement.

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Maybe AshleyRoz will weigh in here, I believe it was her that did a fecal transplant on herself using her breastfed infant's stool. Maybe search the old threads for her very neat story!

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:31 PM

Genetic similarity isn't important for donors, it can just as easily be a buddy or someone referred by a friend. I would try one myself first, before knocking out $5000 plus travel, because you can send stool samples for full testing (for the donor) for much cheaper, and if it doesn't work you could follow through with the portland idea. But if it's not difficult economically, of course it would be great to do the professional one.

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at 07:30 PM

Everybody in my family (sisters, parents and grandparents) have gut issues. Not as bad as mine but I don't think it would be safe to get their gut flora, which I probably inherited somehow.

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on October 28, 2012
at 07:28 PM

After the fasting, if nothing changes, I will definitely consider stool transplant. I'm getting information right now. In any case, I would never do it at home, but will fly somewhere in the US to do it safely. Donors need to be tested carefully in order not to transmit infections to the patients. It's not very romantic as an option but in case it works (as they say), it's a good great resort. The clinic in Portland (suggested by Lynn) offers a 10-da7 treatment with transplant and accommodation for about $5,000 which is a reasonable sum to invest in order to fix my life.

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at 07:24 PM

Thanks for the link, Lynn. I will look into it and consider this option (after water fasting).

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at 07:21 PM

So far, my insomnia has gone. I mean, I can sleep well. Let's how this continues. I read many stories of people healed through water fasting and I have good faith in it. It's not the first time I do it and was able to reverse kidney stones 8 years ago. It was very suffering, but worked. Since then, no more kidney stones (and I don't need to drink tons of water everyday while I was having kidney stones every 2 months and all doctors stated there was no way to reverse it). I'm sure will power can fill the gap sometimes.

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on October 27, 2012
at 07:18 PM

Thanks Eugenia. All you listed has been tried. ALL OF THEM and even more. The problem is that whatever I eat or drink I feel bad. Also drinking gentle chicken bone broth gives me bloating. I tried goat kefir, fermented veggies but they all give me pain. I got exposed to sunshine (at least an hour per day) for 4 months every single day (in my garden). I supplemented with different magnesium (chelated, malate, citrate, glycinate), supplemented with omega-3, l-glutamine, cod liver oil, meat organs, etc.. nothing worked. I see what Dr Kruse says but this doesn't mean he is right.

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at 07:10 PM

http://fecalmicrobiotatransplantation.com/FMT/home.html Portland is a beautiful place to visit, you could treat yourself to some Oregon winery visits and camping on the coast too ; ) although I know it's far. Maybe call them and see what info they can provide, they may know of clinics in Europe.

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at 06:30 PM

I read it on Wikipedia, it seems interesting although I don't think it is available in my country (Italy). In any case, I will consider another country.

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at 05:34 PM

Nope. I've never heard of it. Do you have any reference for this?

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at 05:33 PM

I thought of fecal transplants too. It is a new treatment, and of course you would have to research it thoroughly, but the results so far are promising. (Also, they don't use much actual feces in the process, just a wee bit to get the good bacteria into your gut. And they usually get it from a family member.)

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at 05:30 PM

Even if you were depressed, I would think it had to do with 20 years of dealing with this medical problem, not the other way around.

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on October 27, 2012
at 04:18 PM

Have you looked into fecal transplants? Prob not the easiest or cheapest thing to accomplish but based on your level of suffering, worth looking into. Take care and I hope you find relief!

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at 02:47 PM

I don't know if you're a doctor, but this is usually the kind of answer every doctor tells after being unable to offer a solution. Nothing wrong, but I believe in life there's something more than taking pills or simply give up to the idea you're depressed (which I'm not, you don't need a doctor to tell, it's enough to feel how you are).

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at 02:45 PM

Well, thanks for commenting. I had a "normal & social" life for more than 32 years. Although I felt bad and having insomnia. I also visited some psychologists to whether understand my problems weren't strictly physical. But the problem didn't reside in my brain. I understand your position, although like in everything there might be different positions. It would also be interesting to know why you did fast. How did you prepare to it? Were you followed by any expert? It's very easy to get and feel wrong (and then give up) by doing the wrong thins, having the wrong attitude just not believe in it

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D460f31ffa93f2b244ee66ba966574b9

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on October 30, 2012
at 12:32 AM

Hi Michael,

I tried water fasting for 24 days (almost 2 years ago) to get rid of my IBS and a skin condition... while my symptoms were reduced during the fast it did nothing to tackle the root of the issue. I'm now fairly certain that what I have is SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth). When you have an overgrowth of bacteria in the small intestine, any kind of food can cause IBS and malabsorption can be an issue. I also have always been thin, but not in a healthy way. I'm going to try a protocol involving natural antimicrobials (probably oregano oil, peppermint oil, and/or garlic) to kill the overgrowth and good probiotics/prebiotics to repopulate the colon. I'll let you know how things go.

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:38 AM

Thanks JeJ for your input and concern. The last few days I've been taking oregano oil 2-3 times daily between meals (as prescribed on the bottle) and so far it hasn't seemed to irritate my gut, at least not that I've noticed. I've been feeling "achy" though, I'm not sure whether or not that's related.

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:49 AM

I lost about 25 lbs. during my fast, which is a lot considering I was already thin... it was probably mostly muscle that I lost. Had it been fat, I wouldn't have lost as much in weight. My body was telling me to stop, I started to become more and more anxious towards the end. My first meal was a small bowl of watermelon. I then proceeded with really small meals of other fruits. Then veggies after a few days. I was vegan at the time, so I just continued eating raw fruit & veg for a good while. You have to go really easy and not overeat, which I'm sure you know having read Shelton.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:25 PM

Thanks for the answers. I hope oregano works for you. I tried several homeopathic solutions with oregano, garlic, etc, but nothing worked for me. THe point is that I was in a situation where whatever I ate, it gave me pain.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:35 PM

In the end, after the first (usually difficult) days, hunger goes away for a more or less extended period. During the period "Ketosis" the body starts using the fat cells. After this process finishes, a natural and strong hunger shows up. That is the moment to break the fast. Otherwise, you body starts starving and in order to survive starts eating your organs and creating permanent damages. This is what I got from Dr. Shelton's book. So, it's a matter of listening very carefully to your body. Fear and being anxious doesn't help and are signs to stop the fasting immediately.

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on October 30, 2012
at 07:01 AM

Thanks for sharing this. I hope to fix at least my insomnia (which is somehow already sorted out after a week of fasting). Then consider other alternatives for IBS. How long have you suffered from SIBO (if I can ask)? Thanks.

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on October 30, 2012
at 03:44 AM

If you are going to ingest a bunch of oregnao, peppermint, and garlic oils, you are basically taking a high dose of antibiotics. They can be more potent and cause more tissue irritation than encapsulated antibiotics. Something to consider, make sure you are going under the advice of a practitioner to avoid any tissue damage from contact.

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on October 30, 2012
at 07:27 AM

Can I ask you how much weight you lost during your fasting? Also, how you decided to stop? Had your tongue completely cleared? In the end, how did you break the fast (which juice, food in the beginning and for how many days)? Thank you.

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:41 AM

Hi Michael. I honestly think I've had SIBO since I was 3 or 4 (23 now)...unfortunately I had a lot of ear infections as a child and was treated with many antibiotics. I think that's what started it all. However I didn't really notice my IBS until a few years ago.

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:28 PM

Regarding the fasting, according to Dr. Shelton and others, the percentage of muscle you lose is very little during a long fast, while also very thin people do have enough fat cells to fast. There's a chapter in the book called: "Fasting to grow fat" where these patients although they eat a lot they can't get any fatter but keep losing weight because whatever passes through their body doesn't get absorbed. While they are able to put on weight soon after a long fasting (a lot of weight), eating much less than before, but absorbing much more than before. I hope it works the same for me.

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on November 01, 2012
at 03:28 AM

I think fasting can be a powerful tool, but I have heard that some people are prone to having low potassium levels while fasting, which can lead to heart trouble and death. I don't know how prevalent this potential condition is, but it is a concern of mine when I fast. I believe one must be genetically pre-disposed for this condition to develop.

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on November 02, 2012
at 01:03 PM

Hmm, no salt for me. My heart is doing well in these days. But I read (thanks Dr. Shelton) that the pain around the heart area are not related to the possible heart failure but to the gas in the intestine going up and causing this pain in the chest. In fact I did several heart check, but everything was always fine.

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:43 PM

I'm sure it's not the solution for everybody. It's only often when you tried everything and are kind of desperate that you want to try water fasting. If you are generally ok, you can live your life, you probably have not enough motivation to do this. I discussed this with my sister last week and she was against fasting. I understand her. I would probably think the same in her position (she is good and healthy). But in my place, after 20 years of suffering, I have a good reason to try this (after medications and surgeries that didn't work). So, it's always a matter of point of views in life.

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:39 PM

Yes Zaitz, you're right. This is one of the few risks occurring when fasting and possible cause of death. But I don't think you must be genetically pre-disposed. I think you need to be very well motivated and sure this will work for you. If you are in fear of it or concerned about the risks, it's much safer to stay away from it. It's a journey, not only physical, but also a mental and spiritual process. You must accept and be ready to this transformation.

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on November 02, 2012
at 08:37 AM

Do you add a pinch of salt to your water as Gandhi was known to do? I am also considering a potassium supplement to have on hand in case I notice heart trouble. Any thoughts?

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on October 28, 2012
at 07:43 PM

I would recommend checking out Dr. Joel Fuhrman's book, "Eating and Fasting for Health" or something like that, he goes in depth on several different ailments and the benefits of fasting. There is also the website Freedom You (more religious, but there could be helpful segments, links and information and http://www.fitnessthroughfasting.com/, which has some information, references, etc. I was able to resolve some major health problems with water fasting and I definitely attribute some of that to fasting. It isn't always popular, but I am sure you can find out what is best for you. It sounds to me like you are having positive results, I also think fasting is incredible for the mind - it can be super trippy but also helped me take time (since time seems to really slow down when fasting) and figure a lot out. Best wishes.

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Thanks Jackie. I read many sites about fasting (before fasting) but this one you mentioned which I'll definitely check. I don't know Joel Fuhrmans' book, but will research it. Just today I ordered a book by Dr. Herbert Shelton who seemed to be an expert in this field. Yes, I'm positive and I believe this is the main point when fasting otherwise you get overwhelmed by fear and whatever symptom you have (even positive ones) you believe you're going to damage yourself and ultimately die. Fasting is good for the spirit too, but you need somehow to be ready to fast. Thanks for your encouragement.

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on October 30, 2012
at 07:24 AM

Yes, it's almost 20 years I can't sleep. I can't remember (before fasting) the last night I slept properly. It's really horrible. Just to get rid of this would a great success. I believe sleeping well would be a fundamental part to start again fighting against IBS. I believe that not sleeping for days and days lowers my immune system and this makes SIBO even stronger and impossible to combat regardless of my big discipline at eating and supplementing. Step by step.

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on October 30, 2012
at 02:45 AM

There are a lot of people who vlog their water fasts on youtube, some of them do it every day for 20-40 days and talk about their experiences. You may want to do a search on that, it can help one not feel so alone when fasting, since it is such a lonely, internal experience. I haven't made any videos in a while so I don't have a pulse on the community, but if you sort by date you will find current fasters, but most popular you will probably get older fasts, but thorough accounts!

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on October 30, 2012
at 06:47 AM

Thanks, I did watch several videos and ready many articles. I just woke up. Finally I slept well and everything seems much better today.

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:43 AM

Lack of sleep is the worst, and I think you're spot on that it is an immune killer. Are you still going strong? I also read a study that took healthy 20 somethings and deprived them of sleep, allowing them to sleep only 4 hours per night, and within a week, they all had pre-diabetic blood labs and were showing signs of insulin resistance. I had a bout of insomnia one year during college and it was terrible. It started with some all nighters, mixed with some depression, and then I got into a cycle that was so hard to get out of.

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on November 02, 2012
at 01:01 PM

In these days, things are improving (with ups and downs). Now I can sleep, but never before early morning, cause until then, I have some kind of pain/tension in my liver/stomach are which makes me feel somehow gassy which doesn't allow to relax. By sitting down, these symptoms go away and I can lay down and sleep about 7-8 hours. Not bad.

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on October 29, 2012
at 03:26 AM

Dr. Shelton has a book free online - http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch1.htm You can click forward to each chapter, not sure if it is the same book, but I found the information to be helpful. It can be tough to wade through some of it, but I think there are definitely parts that end up making sense. Dr. Fuhrman does advocate a vegetarian diet in his books, but the Fasting and Eating for health is mostly about fasting and was the most informative resource I have found (and most straight forward). Let me know how you do!

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on October 29, 2012
at 11:02 PM

Thanks Jackie. Great resource. I spent all day reading the entire book. Very informative and entertaining. Also supportive during my journey. Certain symptoms have worried me a bit (palpitations) but seem to be quite normal according to Shelton.

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on October 30, 2012
at 06:59 AM

Nice. Lots of sleep always helps me. I sleep at least 10 hours (or make myself stay in bed for at least that long) because I noticed that it helped me feel so much better and that my body was in less stress. I know some people who work out when they do long fasts, and I think that it causes stress on the body, which in addition to not eating, won't help out. Insomnia sucks so bad, I really hope this helps you break though :)

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on November 05, 2012
at 03:28 AM

Just read your status - great work, sounds like you will know what to watch for in terms of staying safe.

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on November 06, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Hopefully yes ;-))

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on October 27, 2012
at 06:39 PM

If you're having gut problems you should not be fasting (Dr Kruse also says that only healthy individuals should fast for long time). For gut problems you follow a more fermented-food route, and I would especially suggest home-made goat kefir (definitely not store-bought). It's the cure-all for gut issues IMHO, I know, I lived 10 years with IBS. GAPS suggests yogurt, just like SCD does, but kefir can be up to 10x more potent. And then, there's the rest of the fermented foods, bone broth, shellfish, offal, sea veggies. Do you eat these?

For better sleep, you must expose your skin to the sun to get UVB and create melatonin. Never going out, or simply getting D3 pills won't help with that. You might also want to occasionally get some Magnesium Malate 2 hours before sleep (not daily though).

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on October 27, 2012
at 07:18 PM

Thanks Eugenia. All you listed has been tried. ALL OF THEM and even more. The problem is that whatever I eat or drink I feel bad. Also drinking gentle chicken bone broth gives me bloating. I tried goat kefir, fermented veggies but they all give me pain. I got exposed to sunshine (at least an hour per day) for 4 months every single day (in my garden). I supplemented with different magnesium (chelated, malate, citrate, glycinate), supplemented with omega-3, l-glutamine, cod liver oil, meat organs, etc.. nothing worked. I see what Dr Kruse says but this doesn't mean he is right.

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on October 27, 2012
at 07:21 PM

So far, my insomnia has gone. I mean, I can sleep well. Let's how this continues. I read many stories of people healed through water fasting and I have good faith in it. It's not the first time I do it and was able to reverse kidney stones 8 years ago. It was very suffering, but worked. Since then, no more kidney stones (and I don't need to drink tons of water everyday while I was having kidney stones every 2 months and all doctors stated there was no way to reverse it). I'm sure will power can fill the gap sometimes.

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on October 30, 2012
at 06:50 AM

Same for me. I did ferment many vegetables. The point is that I can't tolerate any kind of vegetable (fermented, raw, cooked, blended). I tried (for a while) to juice veggies and drinking the juice of fermented veggies (as suggested in GAPS), but in all cases it gave digestive problems.

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on October 30, 2012
at 12:10 AM

I think fermented foods can be good for a lot of people, but some (like me) don't tolerate them well. Too much yeast and histamine probably.

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on November 08, 2012
at 06:35 PM

My concern for fasting for IBS is that it is a temporary fix. Of course you won't react to anything if you aren't eating anything. But the problem can still fester and come right back. Even worse, you are probably not getting enough nutrition to rebuild the small intestine's damage, which is likely the source of many IBS problems. I would suggest seeking out a specialist who will screen you for SIBO and give you antibiotics like Rifaximin for that. Antibiotics should be avoided, but for SIBO it will give you the fresh start you are seeking here and so far I've never seen any evidence that you can just cure serious SIBO with diet...maybe a VLC or ZC diet could clear it, but it would be very difficult. After that you can focus on rebuilding gut integrity, restoring stomach acidity, and repairing excessive intestinal permeability with a diet like GAPs and probiotics.

But overall this is not a question and fasts of this magnitude are potentially deadly in vulnerable people, so I'd really recommend finding a doctor to at least supervise if you are considering this.

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on November 08, 2012
at 09:42 PM

you can't go without food forever. Have you tried ZC or VLC diets?

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on November 08, 2012
at 08:56 PM

I visited any kind of doctor. I tried GAPS. Tried probiotics, kefir, kombucha, fermented foods. Nothing worked. I also did Rifaximin (entire cycle) with zero results. This is why I decided to try fasting.

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on November 09, 2012
at 12:28 AM

Of course I won't go without food forever. I'm almost done. It's your body dictating what to do. There are specific rules. When ketosis ends, you get very hungry, your tongue gets pink again (meaning detox is completed) and must start referring. There are tons of books and studies about it. I would suggest to read some books from Dr. Herbert Shelton. And yes, I did try both ZC & VLC. In both cases, my insomnia worsened (if possible).

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on November 06, 2012
at 11:26 PM

Great experiment!

Very intresting.

But I would consider taking a look at a potential candida yeast problem being responsible for at least some of the issues.

And for that kind of problem you many want to consider a combination of a smart diet and the right dietary supplements that have a good reputation for getting candida yeast related issues under control.

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on November 07, 2012
at 12:45 AM

Thanks Winicki. I did several stool test but never diagnosed with Candida (but I know it's very difficult to detect candida with regular stool test). I then did the Metametrix Stool Test (DNA) which is much more accurate. But even in this case, no Candida. The only one who found Candida was my Kinesiologist through the muscle test. Since then (May 2012), I followed a specific diet to eliminate Candida. No sugar, no pasta, etc.. In July I went Paleo, had no sweet in any form, so I believe the diet has been long enough to cure Candida.

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:48 PM

I can't imagine water fasting to cure insomnia. Being hungry is one big problem with my sleeping!

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on November 02, 2012
at 07:43 PM

There's a lot of literature and many cases healed from insomnia through water fasting. After the first days, hunger goes (unbelievably) away. I thought the same, but I was wrong.

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on November 01, 2012
at 10:43 AM

After the first week of fasting your body metabolism needs probably become like 90% fat 10% protein (in calories). So you can slow down weight loss by compensating with at least adequate amount of fat, thus extending your fast.

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on November 01, 2012
at 12:44 PM

Yes. The first and second week is the period where you lose most of the weight. Then, the loss is usually very little. In any case, there might be exceptions. Some people lose more and other less.

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on November 19, 2012
at 12:30 PM

Any update on your experiment?

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on October 27, 2012
at 01:42 PM

I've done 10 days of water fasting, and I'd never ever repeat something like that. Depending on your body fat percentage it can be a pretty bad idea, and it can easily make things worse. Regardless of the body fat percentage, I'd strongly suggest you to stop it right now, and focus on fixing you social life and finding a nice job, it sounds like your problems are largely related to stress/depression.

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on October 27, 2012
at 02:45 PM

Well, thanks for commenting. I had a "normal & social" life for more than 32 years. Although I felt bad and having insomnia. I also visited some psychologists to whether understand my problems weren't strictly physical. But the problem didn't reside in my brain. I understand your position, although like in everything there might be different positions. It would also be interesting to know why you did fast. How did you prepare to it? Were you followed by any expert? It's very easy to get and feel wrong (and then give up) by doing the wrong thins, having the wrong attitude just not believe in it

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on October 27, 2012
at 02:47 PM

I don't know if you're a doctor, but this is usually the kind of answer every doctor tells after being unable to offer a solution. Nothing wrong, but I believe in life there's something more than taking pills or simply give up to the idea you're depressed (which I'm not, you don't need a doctor to tell, it's enough to feel how you are).

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on October 27, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Even if you were depressed, I would think it had to do with 20 years of dealing with this medical problem, not the other way around.

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on September 02, 2013
at 12:31 PM

Hows it going now? Did your water fast cure your insomnia permanently?

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on November 05, 2012
at 02:10 AM

Your symptoms are all over the map as are mine. Honeslty thought I was crazy. Turns out I have Chari Malformation, it has been documented to cause all kinds of issues that seem unrelated to one another. Search out Dr. Oro in CO for more info. Best of luck to you and I hope you find health.

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on November 06, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Thanks. Found it and read. But I don't think it applies to my case.

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on November 05, 2012
at 02:36 AM

*Chiari - spelled incorrectly.

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on November 05, 2012
at 02:23 AM

Thanks Michelle. Will for sure check Dr. Oro.

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on October 29, 2012
at 04:00 AM

I am gluten sensitive and I have been on a modified gluten free/paleo diet for the past 3 years. I had serious gut issues and I was lucky to find a good internist. It sounds like you are in a similar position as I was around my diagnosis. I suggest you go find a doctor that understands and is willing to let you modify your diet and not drug you to mask the symptoms. My tests also revealed that I had helicobacter pylori, which required a round of antibiotics. I started off with the cleansing diet for celiac patients along with Dr. Dougherty's no iron supplements. I took the supplements for about 2 months, then I moved on to just using gluten free no iron multivitamins and gluten free probiotic pills. I found out that I had other unknown food allergies along the way. I suggest that you introduce different items back in your diet slowly and watch your reaction to them. But most importantly, get some medical advice. I wish you the best.

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on October 29, 2012
at 11:06 PM

Thanks Lyssa for your suggestion. Unfortunately I visited many and the most renown doctors in Italy and moved from north to south in my country with no relevant results. Moreover did so many (and often unpleasant) medical exams and spent a lot of money to be still at day 1.So now it's fasting time.

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on October 28, 2012
at 07:15 PM

I think fecal transplant would be a good option to try- sounds like there have been so many issues, it's a good last resort. You can't fast with only water all the time, so if once you reintroduce foods again you continue to have problems, I would definitely look into a fecal transplant.

If there isn't someone in your area who does it, you can have the world's messiest DIY project in your very own home. You need a blender, a fecal sample sample, and the supplies to administer an enema. It's optional to take antibiotics beforehand yourself to eliminate most of your gut microbiota thoroughly. The fecal sample should be from someone in good health (including good mental health and size) and if it's from someone around you (relative, friend, coworker who isn't going to be weirded out hard) you will be populating with bacteria that is in your regular environment. The person, if possible, should be tested for C. Diff to make sure you arent going to take a bad situation and make it worse.

Fecal transplants have a history in veterinary medicine and are used to save patients with antibiotic resistant infections or to try and eliminate IBS.

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on October 28, 2012
at 09:17 PM

Also, I presume you've already tried antibiotics with a doc?

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on October 28, 2012
at 07:30 PM

Everybody in my family (sisters, parents and grandparents) have gut issues. Not as bad as mine but I don't think it would be safe to get their gut flora, which I probably inherited somehow.

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on October 28, 2012
at 07:28 PM

After the fasting, if nothing changes, I will definitely consider stool transplant. I'm getting information right now. In any case, I would never do it at home, but will fly somewhere in the US to do it safely. Donors need to be tested carefully in order not to transmit infections to the patients. It's not very romantic as an option but in case it works (as they say), it's a good great resort. The clinic in Portland (suggested by Lynn) offers a 10-da7 treatment with transplant and accommodation for about $5,000 which is a reasonable sum to invest in order to fix my life.

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on October 28, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Thanks a lot for the link provided. Reading it.

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on October 29, 2012
at 11:03 PM

Not really. But I don't intend trying more meds in my life. I already had enough with very miserable results.

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:31 PM

Genetic similarity isn't important for donors, it can just as easily be a buddy or someone referred by a friend. I would try one myself first, before knocking out $5000 plus travel, because you can send stool samples for full testing (for the donor) for much cheaper, and if it doesn't work you could follow through with the portland idea. But if it's not difficult economically, of course it would be great to do the professional one.

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Maybe AshleyRoz will weigh in here, I believe it was her that did a fecal transplant on herself using her breastfed infant's stool. Maybe search the old threads for her very neat story!

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on October 30, 2012
at 07:05 AM

Actually, I tried once Rifaximin (I hope I spelled it correctly in English) for small intestine overgrowth bacteria with no effect. I don't know if this is the same type of antibiotics you were referring to.

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on October 30, 2012
at 07:01 AM

Actually, I tried once Rifaximin (I hope I spelled correctly in English) for small intestine overgrowth bacteria with no effect. I don't is this is the same type of antibiotics you were referring to.

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on November 01, 2012
at 01:38 PM

Yeah, if you have a lot of C. Diff that is a really hard to treat infection that is often resistant. Fecal transplant is becoming a popular method to treat it, especially after trying oral/IV antibiotics. It's a brutal gut infection that's really hard to crowd out or treat any other way. If you didn't want to go the antibiotics route first, I would still say fecal transplant is your best option in this case. C Diff is probably not going to go away no matter how much water fasting you do.

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:37 PM

Some stuff: http://paleohacks.com/questions/14120/fecal-transplant-the-magic-pill#axzz2Ad0ja2NR . Testing the donor sample very thoroughly is more important than emphasized on this thread though.

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on October 30, 2012
at 12:03 AM

honestly, paying someone to do fecal transplant for you is a total waste of money. i did all of mine at home. it's a messy process and requires a lot of cleaning, but it's definitely doable if you have the poop and somebody to help you. my mom helped with the cleaning because a lot of things get poop on them- blender, bowls, strainers, funnels, enema bottles. all of this needs to be really disinfected before and after each use.

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on October 28, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Also, hopefully you have a good health professional that can be your go-to. Someone that can help you order tests throughout this whole process is really important to keep everything on track and safe.

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on October 30, 2012
at 03:43 AM

Well, I mention the antibitics because it's not a bad idea before a fecal transplant to really kill off any bad guys. Also, you could have had some awful gut infection for years that hitting the "reset" button with antibiotics would be worth it. Antibiotics are not all bad, they can save lives or improve quality in terms of eliminating a very dangerous pathogen wrecking havoc. Chronic infection would probably have been explored with a blood test at some point if your doc had any sense though, so maybe it was eliminated as a possibility without consultation.

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on October 30, 2012
at 06:55 AM

A few months ago I did the stool test with Metametrix in the US. It showed a strong dysbiosis and difficult to digest gluten, fats and proteins. High levels of C. Difficile. So, you tried the transplant at home? Did it work for you?

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on November 01, 2012
at 03:58 PM

We'll see. Transplant is definitely something I'm going to considering after the fast.

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on November 02, 2012
at 09:33 AM

My name is Alex, I am from Ukraine, I am 32 years old man. I don't smoke cigarettes and don't drink alcohol. My blood is O+ and I have a good health. If you need liver transplant I am ready to give part of my liver, but I want to receive a big compensation for that.

alexfromukr@yahoo.com alexfromukr@yandex.ua

P.S. This is not a joke and I am not a scammer or cheater.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

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on November 02, 2012
at 01:04 PM

Oh please, don't even say that.

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