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adrenal fatigue and IBS/candida

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 24, 2011 at 12:06 AM

has anyone had any experience dealing with this correlation? in my ongoing battle to save my life i have come to the tentative conclusion that i have adrenal fatigue in addition to my IBS and auto-immune issues. here's the observational data:

i am "good" when i fast for as long as possible. the problems happen when i ingest food of any kind, in any ratio, i have experimented with everything. raw/cooked, veggie/animal, etc etc.

during this leangains-ish style fast i drink lots of water, sea salt, l-glutamine, vitamin c, TMG, and many PHD and Kruse recommended supplements as well as a bit of coconut oil and stronger-faster-healthier brand fish oil for the fat soluble supplements. obviously the missing ingredients are protein and amino acids and glucose.

i "diagnosed" the adrenal fatigue because back in june i seriously injured my back and was given a 10-day taper of prednisone, and saw a sports chiropractor and exercise rehab specialist. (i was also seeing an acupuncturist 3x a week even before this injury)

i recovered and by august i was feeling better than i had in ten years. i was eating in an 8 hour window, wild-caught non-bpa canned salmon primarily with some grass fed red meat, spinach, some safe starches, coconut oil, and my usual deluge of supplements. i should mention that i have been taking tons of supplements for a long time and never experienced this level of health and energy.

i hadn't correlated this to the prednisone back in june, but once i moved apartments in september and caught a common cold due to the increased stress... well let's just say this common cold spiraled into all my old symptoms times ten (peeling sometimes itchy skin on feet, IBS pain, bloating, diarrhea, fatigue, muscle and joint pain, brain fog, depression, no libido).

and i'm still not better, in fact i'm as bad as ever. My IBS is insane. the only way i'm being this articulate is because i'm fasting right now (hour 15).

since prednisone increases energy but suppresses the immune system, i'm correlating all of this right now. sorry if this post is hella long but i wanted to give as much data as possible.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:48 PM

Did some/many symptoms of adrenal fatigue improve during June, July or Aug? Mat Lalonde discusses the autoimmune protocol here: http://robbwolf.com/2011/05/23/real-life-testimonial-scarlets-turnaround-autism-paleo/

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:46 PM

Do you feel like June, July and Aug were better in respect to adrenals? BTW Robb's autoimmune protocol was supposed to linked on the faqs but I cohttp://robbwolf.com/2011/05/23/real-life-testimonial-scarlets-turnaround-autism-paleo/uldn't find it. Mat LaLonde discusses the protocol here:

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:44 AM

i have not tested my hormones since after the prednisone. observationally, i do have some moderate level of adrenal fatigue (stage2, stage 3?), but it would be chronic if i do have it since i've been showing those symptoms for years.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:51 AM

Tons of fruit means fructose and people with SIBO/permeability issues malabsorb fructose. That is not prudent. Fish oil helps heal the gut unless someone lacks lipases (which SIBO predisposes until the enterocytes and brush border grow back) they will be wasting a lot of fish oil (or oil except MCT and butyrate supplements).

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:48 AM

Was the chiropractic and body work different? I don't know what the biological half life of prednisone is and it may differ among inviduals. Because it is so strong (unlike cortisone/cortisol) it can shut down endogenous production in the long term. What are your salivary cortisol x4 labs looking like? Prednisone is not detectable on labs (like artificial progestins) but they affect receptors potently as well as the affecting CRH and feedback loops at many levels (pituitary, hypothalamus, adrenals).

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 11:25 PM

wow, cliff, you sure are coming from left field. a high fruit diet, fish is bad, and tons of juicing. i don't think i want to experience that experiment.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 11:23 PM

vit d is very high. i supplement many 5k iu drops/day. kombucha and all yeasty, vinegary things are not helpful.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:05 PM

Stop taking fish oil and eating fish as well, they aren't doing anything for you but making things worse imo.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:02 PM

Stop eating so much animal foods, I would try fruit juices and even whole fruits maybe. The 811 diet really helped my IBS personally, I don't like the no fat and animal food aspect of it but the high fruit part can work wonders. Fermented dairy if you can handle it ,ay help as well in my experience. Maybe try a juice fast for a week or 2 and than slowly reintroduce foods.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 11:57 AM

Not quite 80# but pretty damn close probably more like 60#. I had IBS as well that I cured but that took longer than the weight loss.

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(32556)

on October 24, 2011
at 11:03 AM

How's your Vitamin D level? You sound really depleted. I'd also check out FODMAPS intolerance for the IBS. Kombucha may be helpful, too.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:51 AM

when i tried gaps intro/grass fed beef broth before, all it did was cause constant diarrhea. i stopped eggs a long time ago so it shouldnt be an issue. maybe the beef though.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:48 AM

i dont see how it finally kicked in basically overnight. it wasnt a gradual process. i felt bad for years, started paleo in aug 2010, started extra gut protocols in march, got the back injury in june, then at the end of july into august i felt awesome. then in sept to now i feel as bad as before.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:45 AM

it wasnt the acupuncturiust because i'd been seeing them for a while before the injury and still had the issues. the exc. rehab guy only helped me with exercise form. and yea, chiropractic is awesome but it's $80 for a 15 minute session. i really think it was a combo of everything, plus the diet and supplements, but all of that was the same as before. the prednisone seems to be the x factor...

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:15 AM

The 2 month timeline doesn't make sense? Did the gut protocol finally kick in? Are you on any new probiotics? In ulcerative and Crohn's cases, steroids to prevent gut flares however the risk of dependence and reliance on a 'bandaid' for inflammation suppression is dangerous.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:12 AM

On a Genova or Metametrix DNA stool analysis, clostridia is identified if there is overgrowth. You don't necessarily need C. difficile because most of the pathogenic clostridia release muscle and joint toxins which also cause brain fogginess. Candida also in fact causes an auto-brewery effect due to toxic aldehydes and alcohol in the brain and muscles. pubmed 'auto brewery'

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:10 AM

Yes cortef is much weaker and needs multiple 2-3x per day dosing, like Nature-throid or T3 natural thyroid glandular dosing. Are you doing any pituitary or hypothalamus glandulars? Some PH's have posted on this. I believe these have value.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Bowel rest. For autism, Mat Lalonde was telling they even prescribe TPN (food via central line e.g. vena cava). One can boost glutathione by using Kirkland's topical glutathione. My kids and I do this sometime. You'll stink like rotten eggs (sorry -- it kills getting laid) *haaa!!* but it gives the liver/detox pathways a rest.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:55 AM

An autoimmune/GAPS type of protocol may suit your gut/bowels better at this time. You might allergic to beef and egg whites if that is what has been in your bowels during this whole gut thing. Lamb is less allergenic BTW. Raw egg yolks? GAPS advises 6-10 daily.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:54 AM

I would concur here with cliff -- don't skip meals and eat digestible carbs that means no fiber (try juicing which mechanically breaks down fiber, per GAPS) and no complex starches; dextrose, glucose and yes even sucrose. Peter at Hyperlipid likes ribose (good for mitochondria).

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:52 AM

Thanks cliff -- you really lost 80#?? I am quite impressed. I wish though I had your 23-yo hormones...

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:50 AM

@dsohei I agree that prednisone is no not a solution to the problem at hand.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Personally..not recommending the prednisone for long term. Prednisone in the short term CAN be OK. Its not frequently necessary in my view, but not my point. The "sports chiropractor and rehab specialist" and acupuncturist. One or both of these practitioners seemed to have had a profound effect. That was my point.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:34 AM

well its all up in the air now since every meal destroys me, so i try to eat as much protein as possible, with some fat and some carbs. too much fat, like pastured chicken liver pate, will kill me. also too much grass fed beef will also. its tricky because i dont know how much is too much and my super enzymes and Betaine HCL ran out a few weeks ago and i'm waiting for them in the mail. iam having auto-immune reactions from eating so i'd rather have it once at night rather than all day long.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:31 AM

dsohei I would try eating frequent meals and avoiding most fiber personally, fasting is just a bandaid. What do you currently eat in your meals>?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:27 AM

those people was one emergency doc, not a primary care. and it was a (lucky?) accident. besides prednisone long term is disastrous anyway. double egded sword.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:27 AM

Not too sure on that grace, you could email yourself he usually answers questions.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:25 AM

i eat sugar, both glucose and sucrose, during my one meal a day. the fasting has been a recent and wondrous practice. last week i was eating 3 meals/day and crashing to death no matter what i ate.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:22 AM

(nearly?) impossible to be 100% strict robb wolf paleo working in the restaurant industry. metametrix full g.i. stool test last january (been testing on this issue since august 2010) indicated no parasites. dont know what c. diff is, will google.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:20 AM

i am taking some cortef now (oral hydrocortisone). it is much weaker than prednisone (5mg preed = 20mg cortef). havent seen major improvements yet, but on the pred in june it wasnt until august that i felt normal.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:11 AM

Cliff, can you provide a reference (any reference or links) please? I've read some Peat and I think he is right on about progesterone, his early research on the bench. What are Peat's thoughts on correcting adrenal insufficiency? Does he identify it and assess and address this particular endocrine issue? Thanks, G

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:03 AM

Thanks for your story!

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:02 AM

....sucrose....

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 01:56 AM

You keep saying sugar...are we talking table sugar, brown sugar, sugar in the raw...which one is the all curing recipe of stress?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 01:45 AM

@jay-sugar deficiency leads to lower glycogen stores which leads to lowered ability to deal with stress

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on October 24, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Cliff. I sent some your way. Seems like I keep them in so many different places. You should follow the facebook link to his page. In discussion are all the notes and of course other good topics. Like I said, I don't do his thing myself, but some parts I do.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:49 AM

Were is the proof sugar deficiency causes a reduced capacity to deal with stress?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:32 AM

@Meredith-Yes ray is the man imo. That would be great, my email is [email protected] Have you seen this http://www.functionalps.com/blog/?p=2681, it is a master list of all his interviews, I especially like "Politics & Science: A Self Ordering World"

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:30 AM

hahah i second meredith recent comments are very peat-tard

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 24, 2011
at 12:25 AM

My downvote...your rec sucks.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on October 24, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Cliff - you are reading Ray Peat, yes? I am a student if not a person who actually eats his way. I have lots of notes on his podcasts if you want them.

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344ccd33d32875c24bdd716402b17ef1

on October 24, 2011
at 01:19 AM

Prednisone is so not good for you. I have ulcerated colitis caused by c. Diff. I had to have my colon completely removed. I still have problems with Underactive thyroid and adrenal fatigue. I eat fermented foods with give you beneficial bacteria and enzymes to break down my food. I carb shift. Every 3-5 days I'll eat some nuts or some fruit. Other than that it is meat, cultured dairy, veggies, and fermented foods. I feel better. I also started drinking this stuff called Karlovy vary(Carlsbad) thermal spring salt. Supposed to be almost like human plasma. Another thing to take into account is your liver and kidneys. You will feel horrible if these aren't in good working order. My kidneys get double the work because of my lack of colon and I can easily get a uti only drinking green teas. So if I start to feel bad a do a course of grapefruit seed extract, goldenseal root, and if I have a uti meadowsweet. You take a ton of supplements like I do. It is a heavy load for your liver and kidneys. You may need to detox and add fermented foods to feel better. One sure way to know your body isnt eliminating properly is things like eczema and psoriasis which I have and will become horrible if I need a detox.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:03 AM

Thanks for your story!

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3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:09 AM

Dsohei,

I'm sorry to hear about your back. Hang in there!! Have you tried isocort or hydrocortisone orally? I entirely concur with ASHley on Prednisone. PRednisone is a synthetic pharmaceutical entity and can cause in fact dysregulation, devastation, havoc on the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal-gonad axis much like synthetic birth control and progestins have been known to do. I have metal issues and it is a catch 22 -- you need a healthy gut to eliminated metals yet metals prevent a healthy gut...

My thoughts: Gotta burn the candles as best one can on both ends until once side bests itself...

G

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:15 AM

The 2 month timeline doesn't make sense? Did the gut protocol finally kick in? Are you on any new probiotics? In ulcerative and Crohn's cases, steroids to prevent gut flares however the risk of dependence and reliance on a 'bandaid' for inflammation suppression is dangerous.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:20 AM

i am taking some cortef now (oral hydrocortisone). it is much weaker than prednisone (5mg preed = 20mg cortef). havent seen major improvements yet, but on the pred in june it wasnt until august that i felt normal.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:48 AM

Was the chiropractic and body work different? I don't know what the biological half life of prednisone is and it may differ among inviduals. Because it is so strong (unlike cortisone/cortisol) it can shut down endogenous production in the long term. What are your salivary cortisol x4 labs looking like? Prednisone is not detectable on labs (like artificial progestins) but they affect receptors potently as well as the affecting CRH and feedback loops at many levels (pituitary, hypothalamus, adrenals).

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:48 AM

i dont see how it finally kicked in basically overnight. it wasnt a gradual process. i felt bad for years, started paleo in aug 2010, started extra gut protocols in march, got the back injury in june, then at the end of july into august i felt awesome. then in sept to now i feel as bad as before.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:10 AM

Yes cortef is much weaker and needs multiple 2-3x per day dosing, like Nature-throid or T3 natural thyroid glandular dosing. Are you doing any pituitary or hypothalamus glandulars? Some PH's have posted on this. I believe these have value.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:44 AM

i have not tested my hormones since after the prednisone. observationally, i do have some moderate level of adrenal fatigue (stage2, stage 3?), but it would be chronic if i do have it since i've been showing those symptoms for years.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:48 PM

Did some/many symptoms of adrenal fatigue improve during June, July or Aug? Mat Lalonde discusses the autoimmune protocol here: http://robbwolf.com/2011/05/23/real-life-testimonial-scarlets-turnaround-autism-paleo/

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:46 PM

Do you feel like June, July and Aug were better in respect to adrenals? BTW Robb's autoimmune protocol was supposed to linked on the faqs but I cohttp://robbwolf.com/2011/05/23/real-life-testimonial-scarlets-turnaround-autism-paleo/uldn't find it. Mat LaLonde discusses the protocol here:

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F4df97b5911c6738f13ccb87627330ce

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on November 27, 2011
at 07:08 AM

I have IBS and had a lot of bloating and gas. The first few days I took the Lady Soma Candida product, I thought I was going to die. It made me nauseous and have diarrhea, but that was just the detox symptoms. They soon cleared, and I noticed I had less bloat and gas. I did the product 3 times a day for a little over a month and felt great. I have no bloating and have hardly any craving for sweets. I now take the product about one time a day for maintenance. Highly recommend this one.

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:28 AM

IBS should have gone better on Paleo, for most people it did. Are you sure it's not a parasite or C.Diff that create your IBS problems? I'd have that tested properly, because diet doesn't help much with these organisms (they're mutated to eat everything that falls into the gut, not just carbs).

BTW, are you strict Paleo?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:22 AM

(nearly?) impossible to be 100% strict robb wolf paleo working in the restaurant industry. metametrix full g.i. stool test last january (been testing on this issue since august 2010) indicated no parasites. dont know what c. diff is, will google.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:12 AM

On a Genova or Metametrix DNA stool analysis, clostridia is identified if there is overgrowth. You don't necessarily need C. difficile because most of the pathogenic clostridia release muscle and joint toxins which also cause brain fogginess. Candida also in fact causes an auto-brewery effect due to toxic aldehydes and alcohol in the brain and muscles. pubmed 'auto brewery'

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:22 AM

"i "diagnosed" the adrenal fatigue because back in june i seriously injured my back and was given a 10-day taper of prednisone, and saw a sports chiropractor and exercise rehab specialist. (i was also seeing an acupuncturist 3x a week even before this injury)

i recovered and by august i was feeling better than i had in ten years."

Go back to the people that got you to this point and continue to work with them to improve your health. Obviously what you were doing at this time was working.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:45 AM

it wasnt the acupuncturiust because i'd been seeing them for a while before the injury and still had the issues. the exc. rehab guy only helped me with exercise form. and yea, chiropractic is awesome but it's $80 for a 15 minute session. i really think it was a combo of everything, plus the diet and supplements, but all of that was the same as before. the prednisone seems to be the x factor...

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:27 AM

those people was one emergency doc, not a primary care. and it was a (lucky?) accident. besides prednisone long term is disastrous anyway. double egded sword.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:50 AM

@dsohei I agree that prednisone is no not a solution to the problem at hand.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Personally..not recommending the prednisone for long term. Prednisone in the short term CAN be OK. Its not frequently necessary in my view, but not my point. The "sports chiropractor and rehab specialist" and acupuncturist. One or both of these practitioners seemed to have had a profound effect. That was my point.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:20 AM

sounds like your body can't deal with stress because of a sugar deficiency

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:32 AM

@Meredith-Yes ray is the man imo. That would be great, my email is [email protected] Have you seen this http://www.functionalps.com/blog/?p=2681, it is a master list of all his interviews, I especially like "Politics & Science: A Self Ordering World"

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:31 AM

dsohei I would try eating frequent meals and avoiding most fiber personally, fasting is just a bandaid. What do you currently eat in your meals>?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:05 PM

Stop taking fish oil and eating fish as well, they aren't doing anything for you but making things worse imo.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:11 AM

Cliff, can you provide a reference (any reference or links) please? I've read some Peat and I think he is right on about progesterone, his early research on the bench. What are Peat's thoughts on correcting adrenal insufficiency? Does he identify it and assess and address this particular endocrine issue? Thanks, G

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:25 AM

My downvote...your rec sucks.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:02 AM

....sucrose....

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:34 AM

well its all up in the air now since every meal destroys me, so i try to eat as much protein as possible, with some fat and some carbs. too much fat, like pastured chicken liver pate, will kill me. also too much grass fed beef will also. its tricky because i dont know how much is too much and my super enzymes and Betaine HCL ran out a few weeks ago and i'm waiting for them in the mail. iam having auto-immune reactions from eating so i'd rather have it once at night rather than all day long.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:54 AM

I would concur here with cliff -- don't skip meals and eat digestible carbs that means no fiber (try juicing which mechanically breaks down fiber, per GAPS) and no complex starches; dextrose, glucose and yes even sucrose. Peter at Hyperlipid likes ribose (good for mitochondria).

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:30 AM

hahah i second meredith recent comments are very peat-tard

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 11:25 PM

wow, cliff, you sure are coming from left field. a high fruit diet, fish is bad, and tons of juicing. i don't think i want to experience that experiment.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:51 AM

when i tried gaps intro/grass fed beef broth before, all it did was cause constant diarrhea. i stopped eggs a long time ago so it shouldnt be an issue. maybe the beef though.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:49 AM

Were is the proof sugar deficiency causes a reduced capacity to deal with stress?

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 24, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Cliff. I sent some your way. Seems like I keep them in so many different places. You should follow the facebook link to his page. In discussion are all the notes and of course other good topics. Like I said, I don't do his thing myself, but some parts I do.

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on October 24, 2011
at 02:55 AM

An autoimmune/GAPS type of protocol may suit your gut/bowels better at this time. You might allergic to beef and egg whites if that is what has been in your bowels during this whole gut thing. Lamb is less allergenic BTW. Raw egg yolks? GAPS advises 6-10 daily.

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on October 24, 2011
at 01:45 AM

@jay-sugar deficiency leads to lower glycogen stores which leads to lowered ability to deal with stress

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on October 24, 2011
at 11:57 AM

Not quite 80# but pretty damn close probably more like 60#. I had IBS as well that I cured but that took longer than the weight loss.

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on October 25, 2011
at 12:51 AM

Tons of fruit means fructose and people with SIBO/permeability issues malabsorb fructose. That is not prudent. Fish oil helps heal the gut unless someone lacks lipases (which SIBO predisposes until the enterocytes and brush border grow back) they will be wasting a lot of fish oil (or oil except MCT and butyrate supplements).

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on October 24, 2011
at 02:25 AM

i eat sugar, both glucose and sucrose, during my one meal a day. the fasting has been a recent and wondrous practice. last week i was eating 3 meals/day and crashing to death no matter what i ate.

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on October 24, 2011
at 02:52 AM

Thanks cliff -- you really lost 80#?? I am quite impressed. I wish though I had your 23-yo hormones...

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on October 24, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Cliff - you are reading Ray Peat, yes? I am a student if not a person who actually eats his way. I have lots of notes on his podcasts if you want them.

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on October 24, 2011
at 01:56 AM

You keep saying sugar...are we talking table sugar, brown sugar, sugar in the raw...which one is the all curing recipe of stress?

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on October 24, 2011
at 12:02 PM

Stop eating so much animal foods, I would try fruit juices and even whole fruits maybe. The 811 diet really helped my IBS personally, I don't like the no fat and animal food aspect of it but the high fruit part can work wonders. Fermented dairy if you can handle it ,ay help as well in my experience. Maybe try a juice fast for a week or 2 and than slowly reintroduce foods.

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on October 24, 2011
at 02:27 AM

Not too sure on that grace, you could email yourself he usually answers questions.

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on October 24, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Bowel rest. For autism, Mat Lalonde was telling they even prescribe TPN (food via central line e.g. vena cava). One can boost glutathione by using Kirkland's topical glutathione. My kids and I do this sometime. You'll stink like rotten eggs (sorry -- it kills getting laid) *haaa!!* but it gives the liver/detox pathways a rest.

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