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Would you really hunt and kill if you had to?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 28, 2011 at 7:10 PM

To me this is the true litmus test of Paleo. Some of us are natural born due to genotype Hunters and really would kill an animal for food in order to survive.

I must admit, I would only likely kill a rabbit, squirrel, deer etc-- not sure if I could shoot a cow or a buffalo but I suppose in a pinch I would. I am just a girl afterall. :---)

If you won't kill, why are you on this diet?

35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

(571)

on April 27, 2012
at 02:31 PM

someone call 911

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 27, 2012
at 08:25 AM

I've been eating insects lately :D. Does that count as hunting?

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 31, 2011
at 04:20 AM

That's so awesome D! I was looking over many Youtube's on butchering Elk. I am hopeful since my hubbs is stalking this 5x5 right now. Geeze hunting is hard work!

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 30, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Meredith-yes on both accounts. I got a buck the other day and I'm still looking for an elk. I'll probably get another deer too. Different regulations on the reservation. Hope you guys get one. :)

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:12 PM

Josh, thanks for your post. Yes, it is a natural thing to do.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Daniel, thanks for the chuckle. That's great!

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:10 PM

Hunting with a .22 or a strong air rifle is not loud, doesn't hurt, and is a great experience. I still wear ear plugs, ear muffs and safety glasses, though, just as I do, with higher calibers.

F3583667d653163c121640a015ffa93a

(784)

on October 30, 2011
at 12:00 PM

I ain't eatin' no stinkin' tofu! I'm Type A. Type A means you shoot and eat DOMESTICATED grass fed meat. You Type O's can chase down a moose. :)

543ae0f06cde1a20a280ce3bdbc6a3de

(376)

on October 30, 2011
at 04:45 AM

I am a air/libra and O neg. I like to hunt anything and everything the law will allow but refuse to use bullets to do it. Go figure?

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:19 PM

BTW, it looks to me like anon got into the wrong thread. Either that or he/she is doing disinfo for the Mossad.

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Huey here. No, I'm not anon. I'm Jack. But you knew that. I'll waterboard whoever tipped you off. Or are you with ONI?

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:54 PM

If it means surviving then no hesitation whatsoever. The drawback is lack of practice and some silly 'political correctness' rules. For example, as a suitably qualified Scout leader in the UK I can teach shooting but only at standard targets. We're not allowed to shoot living things or even at paper targets with representations of living things! Survival training is fine for vegetarians but awkward for me unless you can hunt down a butcher's shop :/

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:40 PM

Oh dear, I'd better stop eating everything - I'm blood group O but also a water sign. By the way if anyone suggests that I stop eating meat, other Scorpio traits may surface - so start watching your back!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:07 PM

@Amerindian - did you get a buck this year? Are you going for elk? They are playing hard to get up in my neck of the woods. I guess we're going to Idaho this season maybe. Or close to it. Thanks for the video.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:48 PM

HRM... Water Tiger here... and Virgo... so I guess that suits. Good for gutting, cleaning, prepping, and cooking -- not so much for the killing part. But you know, not EVERY person in a tribe hunted or gathered... different folk handled different stuff, which is why it makes sense that humans, in general, do better in COMMUNITIES than as solo entities... and it also explains why blood type, etc., probably has nothing to do with whether or not someone "should" eat meat -- 'cause the whole tribe would have to eat what was available.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 11:33 AM

You'll do fine Mer. Check this vid out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZUeg2GTkvs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 09:54 AM

Haha! Sage- that must be why I'm so 'mean' and 'aggressive.'

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

(452)

on October 29, 2011
at 08:45 AM

I am inclined to agree with Rose. 8 years ago I was catching mice "humanely" and releasing them miles down the road into the woods, because I did not want to see them hurt. Now, I would hunt, kill and process just about any animal. Not saying I know how, but now I am in the mindset.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 29, 2011
at 07:36 AM

Oh ok then anon. Because you said I may not have he killer instinct I'll stop eating meat even thoughI know it's essential to my health. Good one.

31d6975807b09b8d46145d3dc7a69cdc

(127)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:26 AM

not human...right?

499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

(683)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:15 AM

Blood type? If we're gonna go with Woo, we should use the Chinese system. Five elements: (fire, water, air, metal, wood) combined with the 12 astrological animals (dragon, hare, rat, etc) gives us 60 different basic characters to play with! I must be a water/dragon. Every time I see an animal bigger than a chihuahua I piss my pants! Better woo, people, better woo.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:31 AM

you must have type O blood Amerindian :)

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:30 AM

i'm all air but i helped my 80 year old grandmother corner one of her roosters so she could take its head off with her machete. i did most of the plucking, but that's only because she said she would put him in the pot feathers and all if i didn't get to it...good times :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:26 AM

Rose, we are in perfect agreement. It's just that you say it with so much more elegance and flair. Yes, the slam part was a bit abrupt. I suppose maybe us killers are just a bit too thick-skinned.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:08 AM

Wait a minute...anon, are you Huey?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:01 AM

So, how does a couple buying a hunting lease before *they* have kids say anything about how they themselves were raised? O_o

3fb1ce56998e2d4f313e0c905aaffde4

on October 29, 2011
at 04:00 AM

Good points. I'm not judging anyone who doesn't "harvest" their own. Obviously, we live in a time where it's not necessary. The degrees that separate us from our final food products are larger than other times in history. The operative word in my last sentence was "willing." I think that is the key to my perspective. There's a difference in never, ever doing it yourself (because you CAN pay someone else to do it are squeamish, etc.) and not being WILLING to do it I it ever came down to it. That's all I'm saying. Good topic for contemplation!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:57 AM

? Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? http://paleohacks.com/questions/73351/would-you-really-hunt-and-kill-if-you-had-to/73361#73361

38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

(72)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:51 AM

Nah either you hunt for stuff or you don't. It's ingrained in DNA. The killing part sure..... yes, either you have that instinct or you don't. How you were raised has nothing to do with it, it's not "nature versus nurture." My sister and her husband bought a hunting lease before they had children!! Not sure if the husband is the same genetics but my sister who craves the kill has put him to good use.

38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

(72)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:47 AM

You didn't answer the question.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:46 AM

Dug. Cleaned. Frozen. Next stop is the frying pan for these clams.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:35 AM

I agree. I think a lot of squeamishness people have around hunting and butchering is lack of exposure; it certainly was that way for me. People get skilled and tough in the ways that life requires of them. Need and experience fix a lot of skills deficits.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:26 AM

Nah, it's not blood type O's. It's astrological fire signs who are born to hunt, especially Sagittarius, the archer. The earth signs are okay for Paleo, too, but air and water signs -- especially Pisces! -- shouldn't eat meat at all. Their epigenetics are for tofu.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:57 AM

My issues are totally due to operator error. I get all squirmy due to recoil anticipation.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:48 AM

Put down the crack pipe.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:41 AM

Even those useless girls on the I, Caveman show would have eventually wised up, I think, had there not been a walk-off option. Hunger and the survival drive are very powerful forces, and are deep enough -- I think, I hope -- to overcome whatever prissy veneer acculturation has painted over the old reptile brain.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:36 AM

Ed, I get Huey's point, but I think I object almost as much to the ridiculing of inexperienced people as I do to being lumped in with the squeamish suburbanites. I'm a city kid, child of immigrants who didn't hunt or camp, and my sole source of experience with such things has been through my husband. It took a while for me to get over my own squeamishness, but I managed. Honestly, I think a lot of the pussing out we're seeing in the responses is simply lack of exposure/lack of necessity. That's nothing to be ashamed of -- you can't control the way your family raised you -- and it can be fixed.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:13 AM

saiklón, I definitely agree with your advice to look around for a gun. I've been shooting other people's guns and rentals from the range, trying to get a feel for what I'm most comfortable with. So far the .38 revolver wins for comfort, even though the Glock 19 aims better (for me). All the spent shells that have hit me, oddly, have come from shooters next to or in front of me, and not the gun I was shooting.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:00 AM

Well not "better" just different... more suiting for your needs and that you are comfortable shooting.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:59 AM

Depending on the gun the jamming can actually have a lot to with your grip on it. Might be worth studying up on. Odd about your guys problems with spent shells. I have only ever had an issue at the range when a shell bounces back or comes from someone next to me. Maybe you guys should get better guns?

38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

(72)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:51 AM

You misunderstand me I'm afraid. I'm making fun of *you*, not the other way around.

38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

(72)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:49 AM

either you have the hunter genetics or you don't. you either have the instinct to kill in order to survive or you don't. period.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:08 AM

Rose, in Huey's defense, and I'm not defending the absolutist part, there is a element of truth to what he says as evidenced by many of the responses in this thread. There is a certain squeamishness amongst those who've never cut open an animal and explored the guts. And it's not so much their fault as the removed-from-nature environments they've grown up in.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Jesus!!!! No I have not! I hope never to have that experience either.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:50 AM

LOL. No, no elk with a .22. Or at least, not swiftly and mercifully. I'm actually somewhat fond of revolvers too, as much as I can be fond of any gun. I shoot a lot straighter with the nine-mil semiautomatic, but I don't like it at all. The action is hard, and there's that business with the spent shells. And jamming.

A65499f2f8c65602881550fe309cd48c

(3501)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:37 AM

Please know, i'm not calling anyone specific an "asshole" (ok, maybe Rush Limbaugh...i'll call HIM an asshole) but what i'm saying is it isn't cool to be judgey.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Fair comment. Fish, birds and mollusks I can deal with, but I've never dealt with the big stuff. Butchers went out of my family tree 2 generations ago.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:19 AM

I thought Morticia was an Addams.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:18 AM

Ever taken a maggoty lamb to a rendering plant? That wasn't a fun day. I wonder what they did with it.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:14 AM

If I was into reenactment I'd dig them with my bare hands. But I'm too namby pamby and in a hurry, so I'll be using a shovel.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:09 AM

The beef ribs are eaten. It's time to hit the beach for the first night fig of the season. If all goes well 15 razor clams are going to die at my hand tonight. On the way out here Bambi almost got me. I drive back at daylight tomorrow eyes wide open.

Medium avatar

(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:29 PM

That actually sounds like a good idea! I'd definitely love to bag a few turkeys, pheasants, etc.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:25 PM

A true artform !

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Made a large grin!

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:23 PM

thanks @jesuisjuba. Also @anon there are many reasons someone would be on this diet even if they "wont kill" health reasons probably being top. Silly question.

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:02 PM

Touché #2. You even got my nickname right. Who's your informer - Jack.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Furthermore, assuming the readership is largely North American, the suburbs in which the disgustingly delicate PHers reside are bristling with more hunters than you'll find anywhere else in the First World. My "namby-pamby" corner of the world -- Eugene, a pasty hippy vegan capital if there ever was one -- is *packed* with hunters, not to mention small-scale farmers who don't shrink from slaughtering their own livestock. Check your assumptions, jack.

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Touché. But how did you know I was a four-star general named All Around Fail?

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:55 PM

I cannot shoot guns that flip out spent shells. I once tried my husband's pistol and a shell went right over my safety glasses and burnt my eyelid! I'm all girlie .22 revolvers right now. This will not take an elk down I reckon.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:55 PM

One person's question implicates the entire readership of PH? Logic fail. Insight fail. General all-around fail.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:53 PM

recently *completed*...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:52 PM

I hear you! I've recently completely a gun safety course and have been shooting at the range after work. I don't think it'll ever be fun for me. They're loud, often painful (the spent shells from a nine millimeter are *hot* and can fly right down your shirt...), and yes, I admit it, terrifying.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:34 PM

THe only thing that keeps me from going hunting is that damned rifle. It's LOUD and hurts like hell. I've got to get me a lady sized one.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:22 PM

ain't that the truth!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 28, 2011
at 09:08 PM

mmmm.. lamby shanks.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:59 PM

Birds? Go bird hunting if you can. Many more opportunities and you get to take many of them in a season.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 28, 2011
at 08:44 PM

@Seaburgers - I did, nightmares for days. My grandpa was a serious hardass and made me do one of the chickens without my mom knowing. She helped me with the next one, we talked it over beforehand so my outlook was much better, my questions answered. I was just a kid so it was confusing. If you ever do it talk to the hunter or farmer, it will help.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:27 PM

Do modern hunter-gatherers always dress their own kills? No, they tend to hand that stuff over to the women to clean, prep and cook. They know how to do it in a pinch, but know that the women are better and faster at it, and less is wasted due to their skill. It's called specialization.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:11 PM

I would definitely cry if I did.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 28, 2011
at 08:00 PM

Yep. I've killed two chickens, that was freaky, and hunted with my family in Montana. What they hunt they eat, head to tail, through the seasons so if they're going out you go with. I've never dressed an animal but done plenty of plucking and such. It's an experience like no other that people should go through - know where it's coming from and how it feels to take an animal down. Definitely an eye opener.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:38 PM

I'd straight up murder those piggies. wild boars are pretty scary tho :/

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Talent...or work, energy, and time....however you like to put it.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:31 PM

I dont think its one bit hypocritical....for the most part many of us do our part in society and pay a darn good price to have those meats harvested FOR us. I have no problem with any person who is either too squeemish (spelling?), or too busy to kill, clean, and butcher their own meat. Like anything those things take talent.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:27 PM

I have killed....and I will kill again...

31d6975807b09b8d46145d3dc7a69cdc

(127)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:26 AM

not human...right?

35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

(571)

on April 27, 2012
at 02:31 PM

someone call 911

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:58 PM

Sure. My husband hunts so I haven't done the killing part - yet, but I demand he bring the whole animal home so I can use as much of it as possible. Lots of birds - geese, duck and pheasant. In the next few weeks I am going to slaughter and butcher a lamb my friend raised for us. I cannot say I am looking forward to the slaughter one bit. But since I want to eat his shanks very much I guess I am going to have to go through with it. I'll let you know how that turns out.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:22 PM

ain't that the truth!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 28, 2011
at 09:08 PM

mmmm.. lamby shanks.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:18 AM

Ever taken a maggoty lamb to a rendering plant? That wasn't a fun day. I wonder what they did with it.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 31, 2011
at 04:20 AM

That's so awesome D! I was looking over many Youtube's on butchering Elk. I am hopeful since my hubbs is stalking this 5x5 right now. Geeze hunting is hard work!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:07 PM

@Amerindian - did you get a buck this year? Are you going for elk? They are playing hard to get up in my neck of the woods. I guess we're going to Idaho this season maybe. Or close to it. Thanks for the video.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Jesus!!!! No I have not! I hope never to have that experience either.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 11:33 AM

You'll do fine Mer. Check this vid out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZUeg2GTkvs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 30, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Meredith-yes on both accounts. I got a buck the other day and I'm still looking for an elk. I'll probably get another deer too. Different regulations on the reservation. Hope you guys get one. :)

5
25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on October 29, 2011
at 07:30 AM

would-you-really-hunt-and--kill-if-you-had-to?

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Daniel, thanks for the chuckle. That's great!

5
3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:38 PM

Without any hesitation. My husband's a hunter, both bow and rifle, and I've butchered my share of game. The only thing keeping me from going hunting with him now is that I prefer to spend my non-job time in the studio. If life were to get less cushy, I'd go get my dinner the old-fashioned way, no problemo.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:53 PM

recently *completed*...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:52 PM

I hear you! I've recently completely a gun safety course and have been shooting at the range after work. I don't think it'll ever be fun for me. They're loud, often painful (the spent shells from a nine millimeter are *hot* and can fly right down your shirt...), and yes, I admit it, terrifying.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:50 AM

LOL. No, no elk with a .22. Or at least, not swiftly and mercifully. I'm actually somewhat fond of revolvers too, as much as I can be fond of any gun. I shoot a lot straighter with the nine-mil semiautomatic, but I don't like it at all. The action is hard, and there's that business with the spent shells. And jamming.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:34 PM

THe only thing that keeps me from going hunting is that damned rifle. It's LOUD and hurts like hell. I've got to get me a lady sized one.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:13 AM

saiklón, I definitely agree with your advice to look around for a gun. I've been shooting other people's guns and rentals from the range, trying to get a feel for what I'm most comfortable with. So far the .38 revolver wins for comfort, even though the Glock 19 aims better (for me). All the spent shells that have hit me, oddly, have come from shooters next to or in front of me, and not the gun I was shooting.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:00 AM

Well not "better" just different... more suiting for your needs and that you are comfortable shooting.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:59 AM

Depending on the gun the jamming can actually have a lot to with your grip on it. Might be worth studying up on. Odd about your guys problems with spent shells. I have only ever had an issue at the range when a shell bounces back or comes from someone next to me. Maybe you guys should get better guns?

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:55 PM

I cannot shoot guns that flip out spent shells. I once tried my husband's pistol and a shell went right over my safety glasses and burnt my eyelid! I'm all girlie .22 revolvers right now. This will not take an elk down I reckon.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:57 AM

My issues are totally due to operator error. I get all squirmy due to recoil anticipation.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:10 PM

Hunting with a .22 or a strong air rifle is not loud, doesn't hurt, and is a great experience. I still wear ear plugs, ear muffs and safety glasses, though, just as I do, with higher calibers.

5
3fb1ce56998e2d4f313e0c905aaffde4

on October 28, 2011
at 07:26 PM

I've never been in a "survival" situation per se. Ya know, "have to" kill to live.

But where I'm from hunting (or harvesting animals) is a normal part of the rhythm of our lives. It's seasonal. We don't go around "killing" for kicks...at least not the majority of us.

Anything I've ever killed, I've cleaned (dressed) myself. Took it to a local processor and "lived" off the meat for months.

From my perspective, it would be almost second nature to take the life of an animal for food (with my own hands). I think if you go to any butcher, any market, any ranch, any grocery store, etc. to buy your meat, you should also be willing to harvest the animal yourself.

I almost think it's a bit hypocritical for someone to eat meat their entire lives and pay someone else to do the harvesting...but not ever be willing to harvest the animal themselves.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Talent...or work, energy, and time....however you like to put it.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:31 PM

I dont think its one bit hypocritical....for the most part many of us do our part in society and pay a darn good price to have those meats harvested FOR us. I have no problem with any person who is either too squeemish (spelling?), or too busy to kill, clean, and butcher their own meat. Like anything those things take talent.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:27 PM

Do modern hunter-gatherers always dress their own kills? No, they tend to hand that stuff over to the women to clean, prep and cook. They know how to do it in a pinch, but know that the women are better and faster at it, and less is wasted due to their skill. It's called specialization.

3fb1ce56998e2d4f313e0c905aaffde4

on October 29, 2011
at 04:00 AM

Good points. I'm not judging anyone who doesn't "harvest" their own. Obviously, we live in a time where it's not necessary. The degrees that separate us from our final food products are larger than other times in history. The operative word in my last sentence was "willing." I think that is the key to my perspective. There's a difference in never, ever doing it yourself (because you CAN pay someone else to do it are squeamish, etc.) and not being WILLING to do it I it ever came down to it. That's all I'm saying. Good topic for contemplation!

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34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 03:09 AM

Absolutely, the buck hanging in my garage who was standing on a hillside a mere 4 hours ago can attest to that. I thought that blood type stuff was quackery? Although I'm type O like almost every Native American is I know a lot of natives who don't hunt at all. Don't get me wrong there is definitely a higher percentage than the general population, however I think that has as much to do with the rural lifestyle and high rates of poverty that makes it a necessity rather than genetic predisposition. I think there are no limits to what people will do when there are few alternatives.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:35 AM

I agree. I think a lot of squeamishness people have around hunting and butchering is lack of exposure; it certainly was that way for me. People get skilled and tough in the ways that life requires of them. Need and experience fix a lot of skills deficits.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 09:54 AM

Haha! Sage- that must be why I'm so 'mean' and 'aggressive.'

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:31 AM

you must have type O blood Amerindian :)

4
5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:22 PM

I would wipe out an entire village for some pastured eggs.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Made a large grin!

3
Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Have killed my own meat for food, but only domesticated. I would hunt, if I could hit anything, but unfortunately, I have zero coordination when it comes to shooting stuff. Couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with tank. OTOH, I'd have no problem being there to skin/gut/apportion the kill, and would be happy to handle smoking, drying, and cooking the meat (and, with some refresher practice, tanning the hides -- haven't done that in 30 years!)

2
Fd92e2cdf2ad65ffece3b2ba988f6541

on October 30, 2011
at 01:03 AM

Around here (Pennsylvania), just about every guy and quite a few gals hunt or have hunted. I usually get 2 or 3 deer every year, and several groundhogs that raid my garden. One year I shot 14 groundhogs. I field dress (gut) the deer where they fall, but it's easier to get the butcher to skin and cut up the meat and freeze it, although I have done it myself. I do cut out the deer liver while gutting it - nothing better than liver from a wild deer.

2
66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

(11121)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:43 PM

I grew up on a farm, we hunted & fished all the time, it is natural for me. Have used guns, bows, traps, etc.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:12 PM

Josh, thanks for your post. Yes, it is a natural thing to do.

2
D5a52362ba91628833829a52acf1c227

on October 28, 2011
at 08:54 PM

I'd probably end up being a vegetarian if I had to kill my own food. Because I can't even bring myself to kill fruit flies, for goodness sake!! However, maybe if I was in a life or death situation and I was starving, then I might react differently...

Anyway, if I were in paleo times, wouldn't I be the one to receive the already killed meat, and would only have to skin/clean/cook it? (me being a female and all....) So maybe it wouldn't be much of a problem anyway. I'm not against killing an animal for food, I just don't know if I could do it myself.

Edit: I just remembered that I have gone fishing before. However, it was when I was really small, and after I caught the fish I just handed it to my dad and he did all the rest. I wonder if then, I could atleast kill fish? Hmm....

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:19 AM

I thought Morticia was an Addams.

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38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

on October 28, 2011
at 08:31 PM

Only reason I would hesitate to kill larger animals is because I've never done so before. I think that is a normal view as a petite female....... I am most definitely the Hunter genotype; everyone in my family hunts. However even my younger sister has never actually shot a deer; her husband does all the hunting. She is capable of tearing anyone to pieces verbally though........

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:25 PM

A true artform !

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Fair comment. Fish, birds and mollusks I can deal with, but I've never dealt with the big stuff. Butchers went out of my family tree 2 generations ago.

2
Medium avatar

(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:06 PM

I had to kill a mouse once (for a pet snake) and it was pretty traumatizing. I have gone hunting with my dad on several occasions, and, in spite of no lack of trying, we've been "skunked" (didn't see any deer, nothing to do with skunks) on 4 consecutive occasions. Ironically, he has had success whenever I'm not with him, so maybe the deer know something I don't (either that I am harmless or that I am in fact a deadly hunter).

P.S. I'm assuming that fish, reptiles, and invertebrates don't count and we're talking about warm-blooded "harvesting".

Medium avatar

(19479)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:29 PM

That actually sounds like a good idea! I'd definitely love to bag a few turkeys, pheasants, etc.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 08:59 PM

Birds? Go bird hunting if you can. Many more opportunities and you get to take many of them in a season.

1
183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

on April 27, 2012
at 09:08 AM

Absolutely - I view it as totally natural and an intrinsic part of life. But then again I grew up in south Africa, where everyone I knew hunted, and shopping for chicken involved the 'chicken man' coming around with live birds, of which you chose the best one, which he proceeded to kill in your backyard.

My cousins always used to eat the fresh liver, raw, after hunting and freshly killng game such as nyala, kudu etc. A little bit was considered a delicacy.

The squeamishness around killing for meat strikes me as an exclusively first world urban issue.

I Would personally kill an animal for consumption with sadness, reverence and gratitude.

1
35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

(571)

on April 27, 2012
at 08:20 AM

Naa, I've never killed an animal, so i can't really answer the question! I'd rather squeeze a cows udder than kill that whole thing and let it die naturally.

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 06:17 AM

I've only killed poultry and fish but I have skinned rabbits, cut pieces of deermeat off a hanging carcass, and cut up sides of beef for the freezer using the guide in 'Joy of Cooking' as my roadmap.

As an animal lover I think I would find it hard to kill a large mammal but given the fact that I like to eat them I might do it if necessary!

1
93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:50 PM

This question is paradoxically offensive. It reveals a namby-pamby readership with a disgustingly delicate suburban sensibility. Like that other thread trying to imagine life without iPhones, I only read the title of that and got disgusted. You kids are up shit crick when the empire falls any day now. Pitiful.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:55 PM

One person's question implicates the entire readership of PH? Logic fail. Insight fail. General all-around fail.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Furthermore, assuming the readership is largely North American, the suburbs in which the disgustingly delicate PHers reside are bristling with more hunters than you'll find anywhere else in the First World. My "namby-pamby" corner of the world -- Eugene, a pasty hippy vegan capital if there ever was one -- is *packed* with hunters, not to mention small-scale farmers who don't shrink from slaughtering their own livestock. Check your assumptions, jack.

38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

(72)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:51 AM

You misunderstand me I'm afraid. I'm making fun of *you*, not the other way around.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:46 AM

Dug. Cleaned. Frozen. Next stop is the frying pan for these clams.

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 28, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Touché. But how did you know I was a four-star general named All Around Fail?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:01 AM

So, how does a couple buying a hunting lease before *they* have kids say anything about how they themselves were raised? O_o

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:09 AM

The beef ribs are eaten. It's time to hit the beach for the first night fig of the season. If all goes well 15 razor clams are going to die at my hand tonight. On the way out here Bambi almost got me. I drive back at daylight tomorrow eyes wide open.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:08 AM

Wait a minute...anon, are you Huey?

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Huey here. No, I'm not anon. I'm Jack. But you knew that. I'll waterboard whoever tipped you off. Or are you with ONI?

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 28, 2011
at 11:02 PM

Touché #2. You even got my nickname right. Who's your informer - Jack.

38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

(72)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:51 AM

Nah either you hunt for stuff or you don't. It's ingrained in DNA. The killing part sure..... yes, either you have that instinct or you don't. How you were raised has nothing to do with it, it's not "nature versus nurture." My sister and her husband bought a hunting lease before they had children!! Not sure if the husband is the same genetics but my sister who craves the kill has put him to good use.

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

(452)

on October 29, 2011
at 08:45 AM

I am inclined to agree with Rose. 8 years ago I was catching mice "humanely" and releasing them miles down the road into the woods, because I did not want to see them hurt. Now, I would hunt, kill and process just about any animal. Not saying I know how, but now I am in the mindset.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:14 AM

If I was into reenactment I'd dig them with my bare hands. But I'm too namby pamby and in a hurry, so I'll be using a shovel.

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:19 PM

BTW, it looks to me like anon got into the wrong thread. Either that or he/she is doing disinfo for the Mossad.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:08 AM

Rose, in Huey's defense, and I'm not defending the absolutist part, there is a element of truth to what he says as evidenced by many of the responses in this thread. There is a certain squeamishness amongst those who've never cut open an animal and explored the guts. And it's not so much their fault as the removed-from-nature environments they've grown up in.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:41 AM

Even those useless girls on the I, Caveman show would have eventually wised up, I think, had there not been a walk-off option. Hunger and the survival drive are very powerful forces, and are deep enough -- I think, I hope -- to overcome whatever prissy veneer acculturation has painted over the old reptile brain.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:36 AM

Ed, I get Huey's point, but I think I object almost as much to the ridiculing of inexperienced people as I do to being lumped in with the squeamish suburbanites. I'm a city kid, child of immigrants who didn't hunt or camp, and my sole source of experience with such things has been through my husband. It took a while for me to get over my own squeamishness, but I managed. Honestly, I think a lot of the pussing out we're seeing in the responses is simply lack of exposure/lack of necessity. That's nothing to be ashamed of -- you can't control the way your family raised you -- and it can be fixed.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:26 AM

Rose, we are in perfect agreement. It's just that you say it with so much more elegance and flair. Yes, the slam part was a bit abrupt. I suppose maybe us killers are just a bit too thick-skinned.

1
41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on October 28, 2011
at 07:45 PM

I would. Actually, once I scrape some more money together I'd like to learn how to hunt. Bow, rifle... not sure which. Actually, possibly both. I'll see what I can do.

Ideally, I'd like to live like the elk hunt scene in Last of the Mohicans. Chasing down my food, killing it quickly, honoring the animal for providing for me and then using the entire animal - because I feel not using the entire animal is wasteful and I can NOT tolerate waste (food, time... just waste in general). It bothers me a lot.

If you don't know the scene, here it is on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oW0Nk7Dm4

1
4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:29 PM

I took my hunter's safety test back in July and I've been practicing at the shotgun range for a month or two now to hopefully bag a deer this season. I'm in New Jersey, though, so this might take a while.

I dabble in archery and my skills there have convinced me that I won't be an ethical bow hunter without a lot more practice. So modern technology it is.

I don't think this is a "litmus test" really. Killing your own food is nice and all, but it's not really possible for everyone to do so in the modern world. Nor is re-enactment central to anything Paleo (or at least I hope so). I suppose it is an interesting mental exercise, though.

0
246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on April 27, 2012
at 02:10 AM

I hunt. And I eat.

Unfortunately my freezer is almost empty and I won't be allowed to hunt again until November unless I leave the state. Regardless, I look forward to it, even if I get nothing, I will have still walked in the woods all day and enjoyed the solitude.

I no longer eat wild pig offal simply due to some pretty nasty stuff the wildlife commission has been finding in the blood and organs of boar and sow alike (I used to eat sow liver in sausages). So... here's to hoping I finally get something other than pigs.

0
C0152dd71ab77c1228f74b4a1b78a66c

on April 27, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Yup definitely!

0
84c1b9e79af530d5bd93e088f226c9a4

on April 27, 2012
at 01:11 AM

Don't forget that the "Paleo" diet, in situ, included not only hunting but also significant gathering. So, even if you're not a "born hunter", it stands to reason that you would still eat meat and still eat a "Paleo" diet.

Early humans lived in small family groups, where subsistence tasks were divided among members of the group- assuming based on area of skill, some hunted, some gathered, all ate. This set up can be seen within extant hunter-gatherer societies as well. Just a thought.

But yes, personally, if I had to, I could do it. Never done it before but if I was hungry, I think I'd have to.

0
38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

on October 29, 2011
at 02:01 AM

The theory is that our ancestors hunted and killed and therefore so should we. We're talking about DNA here......epigenetics. I know my genotype and was surrounded by it as a kid. There's a definite personality and attitude in the type O Hunter clans. A lot of mean people and can be aggressive. If this is not your natural personality, if you really don't have the instinct to kill in order to survive, doing a diet that involves eating a lot of fresh animal meat especially red meat seems kind of silly.

There is another element of being a Hunter which actually is literally hunting.... for anything, not just animals. If you don't enjoy literally hunting for hours on end up on your hind legs walking for hours and looking for things......anything, just sniffing around here and there..... if you can't run, don't like to run, have never run really.... the idea of running after someone or something.... isn't your nature...... if you don't hunt around on the Internet, scouting out this and that... well a lot of people do nowadays, it's a national past time just about.... you might want to do some contemplating. I'm clear about who I am any why I eat paleo.

I argued eariler this year with blood type As on another forum who said they never hunted for anything in their lives-- not even at the mall!-- they actually couldn't relate to the "up off your ass and moving about thing" yet insisted a diet high in animal protein specifically red meat was good for them and really anyone.

38fca13acabddf7b9c54098507e4041a

(72)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:47 AM

You didn't answer the question.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:26 AM

Nah, it's not blood type O's. It's astrological fire signs who are born to hunt, especially Sagittarius, the archer. The earth signs are okay for Paleo, too, but air and water signs -- especially Pisces! -- shouldn't eat meat at all. Their epigenetics are for tofu.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:48 AM

Put down the crack pipe.

499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

(683)

on October 29, 2011
at 05:15 AM

Blood type? If we're gonna go with Woo, we should use the Chinese system. Five elements: (fire, water, air, metal, wood) combined with the 12 astrological animals (dragon, hare, rat, etc) gives us 60 different basic characters to play with! I must be a water/dragon. Every time I see an animal bigger than a chihuahua I piss my pants! Better woo, people, better woo.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on October 29, 2011
at 01:48 PM

HRM... Water Tiger here... and Virgo... so I guess that suits. Good for gutting, cleaning, prepping, and cooking -- not so much for the killing part. But you know, not EVERY person in a tribe hunted or gathered... different folk handled different stuff, which is why it makes sense that humans, in general, do better in COMMUNITIES than as solo entities... and it also explains why blood type, etc., probably has nothing to do with whether or not someone "should" eat meat -- 'cause the whole tribe would have to eat what was available.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:30 AM

i'm all air but i helped my 80 year old grandmother corner one of her roosters so she could take its head off with her machete. i did most of the plucking, but that's only because she said she would put him in the pot feathers and all if i didn't get to it...good times :)

F3583667d653163c121640a015ffa93a

(784)

on October 30, 2011
at 12:00 PM

I ain't eatin' no stinkin' tofu! I'm Type A. Type A means you shoot and eat DOMESTICATED grass fed meat. You Type O's can chase down a moose. :)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:57 AM

? Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? http://paleohacks.com/questions/73351/would-you-really-hunt-and-kill-if-you-had-to/73361#73361

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:40 PM

Oh dear, I'd better stop eating everything - I'm blood group O but also a water sign. By the way if anyone suggests that I stop eating meat, other Scorpio traits may surface - so start watching your back!

543ae0f06cde1a20a280ce3bdbc6a3de

(376)

on October 30, 2011
at 04:45 AM

I am a air/libra and O neg. I like to hunt anything and everything the law will allow but refuse to use bullets to do it. Go figure?

0
A65499f2f8c65602881550fe309cd48c

(3501)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:34 AM

I am admittedly squeamish at the thought of ending an animals life, by my own hands, in order to eat it. I had been a vegetarian/vegan for 3 years (many years ago) mostly because the thought of animals suffering in order for me to eat made me cry, feel like crap and gave me a guilt complex like you have NO idea....and if I still really, I mean, REALLY think about it too much I do get kind of depressed about it. I do feel better eating meats from local sources although can't always afford to. I physically feel better now that i'm a carnivore again and wouldn't trade my health to be a vegan again EVER. But...i'm still a puss, i'm still squeamish, i'm still a sad and pathetic hunter (but i'd gather with the best of them!). I want to get past this. I want to be able to raise my own chickens, eat their eggs and when the time comes, be able to thank them graciously and then take care of business myself....I know the life they will live with me will be much better than in any factory setting...i'm doing them a favor (this is the story I have to tell myself on a constant basis). This upcoming year my husband and I will be taking a "class" through our local Farm Co-op to learn how to do just that. I know i'm going to be the weepy chick (no pun intended) in the back trying to get a grip but I WILL do it. But I don't judge ANYONE who can't. You do what you can...you support what you can...you live to the best of your ability and don't be an asshole to someone just because they can't do what comes easy to you.

A65499f2f8c65602881550fe309cd48c

(3501)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:37 AM

Please know, i'm not calling anyone specific an "asshole" (ok, maybe Rush Limbaugh...i'll call HIM an asshole) but what i'm saying is it isn't cool to be judgey.

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 28, 2011
at 09:21 PM

Sure. My husband hunts so I haven't done the killing part - yet, but I demand he bring the whole animal home so I can use as much of it as possible. Lots of birds - geese, duck and pheasant. In the next few weeks I am going to slaughter and butcher a lamb my friend raised for us. I cannot say I am looking forward to the slaughter one bit. But since I want to eat his shanks very much I guess I am going to have to go through with it. I'll let you know how that turns out.

0
D426e8ad762258b14001c0f0098569d1

(114)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:58 PM

Bow hunting for sure. Have nothing against guns but where's the challenge in that - unless hunting for survival would stick with the bow. One of these days I'll try it.

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0a2dd50f2d3951bf3fb83fc4638c9512

(1960)

on October 28, 2011
at 07:52 PM

Yes, in order to survive, I'd hunt for food. Such a simple question, yet one that can trigger thinking -- and likely one that all carnivores should consider. For myself, I think the only reason I don't hunt now is that others do it for me.

0
Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

on October 28, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Yes I would, but I've never killed and cleaned anything more than a fish. If there were a zombie apocalypse to live through, then I wouldn't have a problem if it meant surviving.

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