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Still waking up starving.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM

So I've pretty much been able to completely curb my desire to snack in between meals and because I have such a high fat breakfast, I often don't need mug for lunch, though I usually eat a large enough dinner. I'm keeping under 30 carbs a day which are usually reserved for my heavy cream, kale, and cabbage, I get about 75 grams of protein a day and then the rest is fat, which I don't really pay attention to. My calories usual fall between 2k and 2700 on any given day. I am breastfeeding and I do some walking for excercise but I thought the ketogenic state was supposed to end the starving feeling. The breastfeeding should only be burning an extra 500 cals a day, so I think I'm getting an adequate amount of food. Any insight? I'm not trying to fast but I'd like to take control of my hunger so if god forbid I have to eat out or while I'm on vacation soon I'm not tempted in the morning by convinience foods, which is easier in a less frantic state.

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on July 06, 2011
at 07:56 PM

I get freakin' ravenous after nursing my son down for the night. I think it is something unique to breastfeeding, your body wants energy and will do pretty much anything to get it. I've stopped fighting it, and just raid the fridge: fruit, uncured salami, big hunks of butter, salmon, cheese, even the occasional pb&j. Then I sleep like a baby. I figure I need my sleep at least as much, if not more than "the right food".

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on March 30, 2011
at 01:46 AM

My milk supply is great (I actually have enough that I donate to another mother) and my baby boy is in the 95th percentile for height and weight so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. If anything I'm hopefully making it so he won't have as much of a sweet tooth as I did. Studies show that what you eat while pregnant and nursing effects the baby's tastes. haha

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on March 30, 2011
at 01:44 AM

That's a good point. I don't think I can have white potatoes without getting off track but maybe I could try a little squash or sweet potato in addition to the cruciferous veggies I eat happily.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on March 30, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Potatoes are a binge precursor food for me. I really can't have them around. I probably could add a little more raw milk without problems. It doesn't seem to make me crave more when I drink it.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on March 30, 2011
at 01:40 AM

Yes. It's because I'm about 70 pounds overweight (obviously was more before I started...) and I have an extremely hard time staying on track if I allow many carbs at all. I do sometimes go over the 30, but it's with things like milk or liver. I eat kale, cabbage, broccoli, etc every day too. I'm just a total sugar addict and it's what works for me.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on March 30, 2011
at 01:36 AM

I take d3, k2, magnesium, a prenatal, calcium, and cod liver oil. :-) Doctor told me to make sure I'm getting 5k d3 so I'm OK on that front.

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on March 29, 2011
at 08:05 PM

Is there any particular reason you are eating so low carb while breast feeding?

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on March 29, 2011
at 03:49 PM

And also be sure you are supplementing with Vit D3...you and your baby.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on March 29, 2011
at 03:47 PM

Ashley, continue taking the coconut oil in the morning. Just add the coconut oil in the evening. You still need the energy during the day from the morning coconut oil.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on March 29, 2011
at 03:07 PM

I'll try that. I usually take my coconut oil at the beginning of the day but maybe I should wait till before bed since I'm getting plenty of fat first thing in the morning anyway.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on March 29, 2011
at 03:03 PM

I was WAPF for about 4 months and I've been strict paleo (except dairy sources of fat like cream, butter, etc) for 2 months.

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on March 29, 2011
at 02:30 PM

I was curious about taking coconut oil before bed and wondered if it would help sleep as well as trying cream. Last night I woke up craving a bowl of shredded mini wheats (the old days :)

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on March 29, 2011
at 01:05 PM

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6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

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on March 29, 2011
at 03:12 PM

It's probably not quite accurate to say that breast-feeding requires only 500 extra calories for someone on a low-carb diet.

Lactose makes up about 50% of the energy content in human milk ( http://www.adajournal.org/article/S0002-8223(08)01885-3/abstract ). Since you're low-carb paleo, most of that energy comes from (1) gluconeogenesis and (2) further synthesis of lactose from glucose (lactose is 1/2 glucose and 1/2 galactose). Galactose can either be dietary (from dairy products) or synthesized in your body from glucose.

The point is that if you're on a low-carb diet, making breast milk is less efficient and may require more than 500 calories. This may be why you're more hungry.

Also, I would not be surprised if breast-feeding changes your hormonal milieu in such a way as to make you more hungry (as an evolutionary adaptation).

My suggestion is to first try the high fat solutions that have been suggested by others (cheese, coconut oil, more heavy cream). But if that doesn't work, try adding some starchy carbs (such as tubers, potato, or rice) back into your diet.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on March 30, 2011
at 01:44 AM

That's a good point. I don't think I can have white potatoes without getting off track but maybe I could try a little squash or sweet potato in addition to the cruciferous veggies I eat happily.

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on March 29, 2011
at 04:39 PM

I had hunger problems until I added starch back in my diet. I was eating plenty of fat and tried eating fat when I got hungry and it didn't work.

I was terrified to eat potatoes because of what I've read: "insulin makes you fat," "carbs make you hungry," "only perfectly lean people should eat them," "they'll make you crave sugar," "only eat them after work outs and with less fat," etc. But after 4 weeks of ramping carbs up via white potatoes and starchy veg with plenty of fat, the exact opposite has occurred. My hunger is way down, I am eating less, losing fat and I can finally IF with no problem, plus I don't crave sugar at all. Before, I had to work at keeping dark chocolate and fruit consumption low, now I don't hardly want it.

It's different for everyone though, plenty of people say they can't handle things like potatoes and have the experience to back it up, but it might be worth a try!

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on March 30, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Potatoes are a binge precursor food for me. I really can't have them around. I probably could add a little more raw milk without problems. It doesn't seem to make me crave more when I drink it.

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on March 29, 2011
at 03:16 PM

I don't know why, but the more/ later I eat in the evening, the hungrier I am when I wake up. This is contrary to what everybody else is saying on here, but that's just my personal experience.

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on March 29, 2011
at 02:25 PM

A couple tablespoons of coconut oil taken when you are ready for bed should carry your over til morning. Each tablespoon has 117 calories.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on March 29, 2011
at 03:47 PM

Ashley, continue taking the coconut oil in the morning. Just add the coconut oil in the evening. You still need the energy during the day from the morning coconut oil.

04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

(2261)

on March 29, 2011
at 02:30 PM

I was curious about taking coconut oil before bed and wondered if it would help sleep as well as trying cream. Last night I woke up craving a bowl of shredded mini wheats (the old days :)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on March 29, 2011
at 03:07 PM

I'll try that. I usually take my coconut oil at the beginning of the day but maybe I should wait till before bed since I'm getting plenty of fat first thing in the morning anyway.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on March 29, 2011
at 03:49 PM

And also be sure you are supplementing with Vit D3...you and your baby.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on March 30, 2011
at 01:36 AM

I take d3, k2, magnesium, a prenatal, calcium, and cod liver oil. :-) Doctor told me to make sure I'm getting 5k d3 so I'm OK on that front.

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on March 29, 2011
at 02:25 PM

How long have you been paleo? It seems that it took me several months before my body was adapted enough to support missing breakfast, or not waking up starving

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on March 29, 2011
at 03:03 PM

I was WAPF for about 4 months and I've been strict paleo (except dairy sources of fat like cream, butter, etc) for 2 months.

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on March 29, 2011
at 01:19 PM

I would try to eat something before bed with fat/protein. It doesn't have to be a lot just a little to get you through the night. I find if I do this, I sleep better, wake up easier and am able to get moving without feeling so hungry I want to gnaw my arm off until I get food in me. It's not paleo but I find a protein shake with a splash of heavy cream does the trick. A scoop of powder, 4oz of water and some cream. Shake, drink, and sleep. It's just enough. A hunk of cheese would work just as well. :)

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