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Serious Hunger Problems, I Need Help

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 26, 2011 at 3:02 PM

I've been having problems with hunger lately. Specifically, never feeling satiated after a meal, regardless of macro composition or food volume/quantity. I've been experimenting with IF for a while, and the fast seems to help, but it seems like once I begin eating, it becomes almost impossible to stop. I've also tried eating all my food early in the day, but that doesn't help either. A perfect example is this morning. I woke up at 3 in the morning with this gnawing, burning hunger sensation in my stomach. I went down stairs, had a drink and tried to go back to sleep to no avail. An hour and a half later, I decided to go have something small. I have a couple hard boiled eggs and went back to bed, but it didn't help. Usually I don't eat breakfast, but I figured I'd give it a shot and eat breakfast this morning until I was satisfied. An hour later, and I've eaten a dozen eggs, two avocados, two tablespoons of butter, two tablespoons of coconut oil, a 12 oz pork chop, some shredded chicken breast and about a pound of kale. It's only been two hours since I've eaten, and I have this burning, empty feeling in the pit of my stomach. This isn't an every day occurrence, but it's often enough. It's to the point where I can't stop thinking about food because I'm constantly hungry; it's turned into a bit of an obsession. Like I said, macro composition rarely helps, even when I keep my carbs to strictly sweet potato. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this, or what my problem might be. I've done a little research and it may be something like GERD, but I would think that would only be exacerbated by things like gluten/sugary carbs, which I didn't eat at all this morning. It was strictly fats and proteins. I'm seriously concerned, I put down probably two thousand calories before six in the morning and I'm still hungry.

E60e4162d7f04b0a2dd6b8e50e1128db

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

ive actually been doing it for a few months now pretty consistently, eating breakfast at 12-1 and dinner at 6-7. I thought id be pretty acclimated to bigger meals but I dunno

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on September 27, 2011
at 05:40 AM

I have no idea either smartcookie. I've never heard of this but I do partake of chiropractic care and it certainly seems plausible. Feel free to upvote it to help correct the mistake.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:39 AM

cliff always gets right to the point

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on September 26, 2011
at 07:35 PM

Try it out! I don't think it's healthy to feel like you are (and how I did). I see nothing wrong with sticking to two meals per day, so that would be 75g starch per meal. 75g is slightly over 2 1/2 cups of white potato. I have a feeling you are not getting even close to that much. Good luck!

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

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on September 26, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Hm. Just curious as to why this answer was downvoted. I have no knowledge of why this would work to treat hunger, but I have heard of people successfully using non-traditional massage techniques for constipation.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:45 PM

Fat and protein aren't always the magical ultimate satiating nutrients as they're made out to be. You certainly could have a metabolism that does better on a high carbohydrate load. Don't let some dogma get in the way of identifying an ideal individual diet.

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:44 PM

I also think it's carbs and I suspect you could substitute the word "cravings" for the word hunger. I say that because I definitely crave carbs and must eat 75-100g of carbs or no amount of food is satiating.

E60e4162d7f04b0a2dd6b8e50e1128db

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Hmm, two people are thinking it might just be a carb thing. I know i've tried doing ketosis a few times, and whenever I have a super high-fat, low carb meal, it seems the insatiable hunger is even more prominent. my only concern is that I get this way even when I do include carbs in a meal. Maybe i just need to find my carb "Sweet spot". thanks for the responses guys, this problem has been going on for a while so hopefully i can get it fixed.

E60e4162d7f04b0a2dd6b8e50e1128db

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:13 PM

Yeah, that's exactly how it is. I can eat until I'm overly full and still be left wanting more. And you're right, I'm naturally pretty thin, 5'9 and 137 lbs. I do try to eat a good amount of carbs, but it rarely seems to help. Maybe I'm just not eating enough? I do love potatoes and rice, so I'll try seriously upping the carbs and lowering the fat for a while to see how I do.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 26, 2011
at 03:25 PM

I have a fairly limited carb sweet spot range100 grams plus or minus twenty/ thirty. Every time I flirt with my Ketosis fantasy (It sounds like such a hoot to try an entirely different brain/body energy source to glucose :)) Sort of like the parellel universe on the original Star Trek! and even better than reefer if that's even possible. So every time I try to move the carbs down I get "hungry" , no matter how much fat I add. Looks like you're in the same situation. Enjoy your carbs! Live long and prosper!

E60e4162d7f04b0a2dd6b8e50e1128db

(15)

on September 26, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Hmm, two people are thinking it might just be a carb thing. I know i've tried doing ketosis a few times, and whenever I have a super high-fat, low carb meal, it seems the insatiable hunger is even more prominent. my only concern is that I get this way even when I do include carbs in a meal. Maybe i just need to find my carb "Sweet spot". thanks for the responses guys, this problem has been going on for a while so hopefully i can get it fixed.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on September 26, 2011
at 04:44 PM

I also think it's carbs and I suspect you could substitute the word "cravings" for the word hunger. I say that because I definitely crave carbs and must eat 75-100g of carbs or no amount of food is satiating.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on September 26, 2011
at 04:45 PM

Fat and protein aren't always the magical ultimate satiating nutrients as they're made out to be. You certainly could have a metabolism that does better on a high carbohydrate load. Don't let some dogma get in the way of identifying an ideal individual diet.

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:59 PM

eat 2000 calories of carbs and see if your hungry

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:39 AM

cliff always gets right to the point

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:25 PM

Another angle on "hunger": It may not be metabolic in nature. It may be a structural issue. I have found that if my spine is out of alignment around the T8 to T11 area I get digestive issues: mild pain , gas and hunger are the symptoms. A good chiro might work, but I would try a Neuromuscular Therapist in your area. I recommend a Neuromuscular therapist over a chiro because the "NMT" will also be able to do visceral massage and directly treat the organs of digestion, this in addition to reenervating the organs of digestion from the spinal cord side of the problem. This is a very low tech Paleo-ish solution, no meds, no high tech tests,just eyeball postural analysis and one or two skilled thumbs and a few trained fingers.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

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on September 26, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Hm. Just curious as to why this answer was downvoted. I have no knowledge of why this would work to treat hunger, but I have heard of people successfully using non-traditional massage techniques for constipation.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on September 27, 2011
at 05:40 AM

I have no idea either smartcookie. I've never heard of this but I do partake of chiropractic care and it certainly seems plausible. Feel free to upvote it to help correct the mistake.

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on September 26, 2011
at 03:08 PM

I get the same insatiable appetite on VLC. I could eat huge amounts of fat, protein and fiber - until I was uncomfortably stuffed - and still feel like I was starving.

I am guessing you are thin and/or lean, naturally.

If I were you I'd starting eating a minimum of 150g of carbs per day, at regular intervals. It's what I do. :D I feel best with pure starch (I eat white potatoes, white rice and sweet potatoes most regularly) but some people like fruit for carbs as well.

E60e4162d7f04b0a2dd6b8e50e1128db

(15)

on September 26, 2011
at 03:13 PM

Yeah, that's exactly how it is. I can eat until I'm overly full and still be left wanting more. And you're right, I'm naturally pretty thin, 5'9 and 137 lbs. I do try to eat a good amount of carbs, but it rarely seems to help. Maybe I'm just not eating enough? I do love potatoes and rice, so I'll try seriously upping the carbs and lowering the fat for a while to see how I do.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on September 26, 2011
at 07:35 PM

Try it out! I don't think it's healthy to feel like you are (and how I did). I see nothing wrong with sticking to two meals per day, so that would be 75g starch per meal. 75g is slightly over 2 1/2 cups of white potato. I have a feeling you are not getting even close to that much. Good luck!

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11838116de44ae449df0563f09bd3d73

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on September 26, 2011
at 10:15 PM

Have you tried simply taking an antacid? It's not a long term solution, but might indicate if the issue is irritation.

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:54 PM

i get these days frequently. i always have. back when i was eating "SHAD" i would convince myself that my metabolism was revving and if i resisted the urge to eat, i would loose some body fat. since fat loss was a goal for me, i did not indulge.

i have come to believe that its a hormone/chemical thing; that my brain is mistaking some deficiency as hunger. on these days i drink more water, eat liver, lift some weight and suffer through.

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on September 27, 2011
at 02:29 PM

To echo what other people have offered above: eat your carbs.

He's not always a popular name to mention, but Lyle McDonald has written some fascinating articles about the effects of long-term dieting on leptin, ghrelin, and the metabolism overall. After a period of low-carb dieting, it often helps to do a high-carb refeed to restore the body's hormones back to a pre-diet level.

Skipping past the technical stuff, I'll say this: I've had those days where I can't seem to stop thinking about food. They usually happen after I've been in ketosis for a week or two (eating around 50g carbs daily), and they usually indicate to me that it's time to up my carb intake considerably for 5 hours or so every few weeks. Last weekend I packed away about 300g carbs, as an example, and this week has been wonderful -- no more cravings, no real weight gain (aside from a little water weight that quickly disappeared), and greater leanness overall.

Here's an article worth reading: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/calorie-partitioning-part-2.html.

Enjoy! :) Hope this helps.

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40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

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on September 26, 2011
at 05:00 PM

How long have you been doing IF? I have heard that problems with satiety and massive meals are common toward the beginning, and it levels off as your body becomes acclimated.

E60e4162d7f04b0a2dd6b8e50e1128db

(15)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

ive actually been doing it for a few months now pretty consistently, eating breakfast at 12-1 and dinner at 6-7. I thought id be pretty acclimated to bigger meals but I dunno

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on September 26, 2011
at 04:15 PM

Sounds like a common symptom of IF. Try eating more regular meals until the situation resolves itself. It sounds like in addition to potential stomach issues, your hormone levels are messed up. Try reading about the GAPS diet, Wheat Belly, and The Quilt for more information. I know that I can be sensitive to a particular food such as wheat or grain fiber for a couple of days, no matter what else I eat.

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