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Hack my lack of hunger

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Created May 27, 2012 at 4:00 PM

I'm not really looking to lose weight but I am trying to improve my body composition

The thing is I'm rarely hungry, just thirsty

I know you should listen to your body but I'm worried that if I listen to my body I'm never going to eat again!

I do have some digestive problems, is my body asking for a break?

If I don't eat will I eventually become hungry again?

Bbd349fe334481d99c091333b87cacb5

(346)

on May 28, 2012
at 08:01 PM

These little things are what really changed my life! Once you get into the groove of Paleo for a while, these are the more detailed aspects that make more of a difference than you would think.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 28, 2012
at 05:37 PM

My fiancee recently visited here dying uncle. She was very depressed when she came back. She didn't eat for a week (she is not Paleo), she was just so depressed she couldn't eat. After a week she dropped a fair amount of weight on her already skinny frame, and I was not concerned. After that week, she was back to her normal happy self, and gained most of the weight back that she dropped. Note: Anorexics cannot trust their appetite.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on May 27, 2012
at 11:32 PM

Hey Matthew, no disrespect intended, but as someone who has had frequent problems with a lack of appetite, I think this is really bad advice. For me, fasting in this state always blunted my appetite further and made eating more difficult. At it's worst, only eating when I was hungry or wanted food caused me to become severely underweight.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on May 27, 2012
at 11:01 PM

Not sure, I didn't down vote it! :)

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 10:59 PM

Fasting is not the same as anorexia

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 27, 2012
at 09:30 PM

@ VB. What does it mean to fast for one month? Literally eat nothing? Are you anorexic?

2a0f1afde303eadc422d015fc22f7512

(1118)

on May 27, 2012
at 09:06 PM

I think they're often not important or not obviously important (meaning no outward issues to note) but if you're hacking immune response, or health, or hunger, these things can help.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:56 PM

Interesting. I fasted for one month four years ago. It did nothing to my hunger.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:51 PM

GH released during fasting can increase up to 2000% in men, helping to preserve lean mass. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110403090259.htm Lower meal frequency improves body composition http://www.ajcn.org/content/85/4/981.short Thanks to MDA on these.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:37 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21410865?dopt=Abstract IF er's in this study retained more lean mass than their non-fasting counterparts, while losing the same amount of weight.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:28 PM

Here's a good article, on weight gain/weight loss in mice. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120517132057.htm Thanks to MDA for this one. More coming.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:19 PM

I actually have high body temperature and poor circulation, i get pins and needles really easy

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:18 PM

I've been eating sweet potatoes and carrots and a fair amount of fruit actually

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:17 PM

VB, I fasted for 36 hours and since then my hunger has diminished for some reason

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:17 PM

Do you have any studies showing that fasting is good for body composition? i couldn't find any, I did fast for 36 hours and since then my appetite has diminished for sure!

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:15 PM

I'm not low carb but I have been delaying when I eat after waking up ala IF, but I think I'm gonna start eating as soon as i wake up. I also have a feeling i might be a little depressed

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 27, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Can eating fruit be substituted for sugar? - that was my question.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 27, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Fruit is sugar, right?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:50 PM

Why was this down-voted?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:49 PM

Not necessarily, Kasra. I'm hungrier the morning after a low-carb day than I am if I consume >50 grams of carbs.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:38 PM

Low carb leads to low appetite.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:36 PM

This. Sugar avoidance leads to an underactive thyroid, which leads to an underactive metabolism, which leads to a lack of appetite.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:27 PM

In my experience, most of these things really aren't that important.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:01 PM

I just want to know what did you do to get to this state?

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2a0f1afde303eadc422d015fc22f7512

(1118)

on May 27, 2012
at 04:07 PM

Hunger is regulated by hormones. If you're not hungry you might want to get a few things in check!

  1. stop eating about 2 hours before bed
  2. eat soon after you wake up
  3. no coffee after 1pm
  4. no blue light after sundown
  5. exercise regularly
  6. RECOVER regularly
  7. sleep 7-8 hours daily
  8. Manage stress

Your paleo diet should help get some other things in check like leptin and insulin regulation but these things are just as important!

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:27 PM

In my experience, most of these things really aren't that important.

2a0f1afde303eadc422d015fc22f7512

(1118)

on May 27, 2012
at 09:06 PM

I think they're often not important or not obviously important (meaning no outward issues to note) but if you're hacking immune response, or health, or hunger, these things can help.

Bbd349fe334481d99c091333b87cacb5

(346)

on May 28, 2012
at 08:01 PM

These little things are what really changed my life! Once you get into the groove of Paleo for a while, these are the more detailed aspects that make more of a difference than you would think.

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5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

on May 27, 2012
at 04:09 PM

Listen to your body. People who are depressed usually have elevated levels of peptide YY, and so they have a loss of appetite. Coincidentally, fasting is helpful for depression. Fasting is a way to turn on autophagy and repair yourself, so if you are not hungry, I would say don't eat for now, then eat when you're hungry or when you want food.

Fasting is also great for body composition. You will pretty much burn all fat, and preserve muscle, with an extended fast, just don't mix in a bunch of exercise.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:51 PM

GH released during fasting can increase up to 2000% in men, helping to preserve lean mass. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110403090259.htm Lower meal frequency improves body composition http://www.ajcn.org/content/85/4/981.short Thanks to MDA on these.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:37 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21410865?dopt=Abstract IF er's in this study retained more lean mass than their non-fasting counterparts, while losing the same amount of weight.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 27, 2012
at 08:28 PM

Here's a good article, on weight gain/weight loss in mice. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120517132057.htm Thanks to MDA for this one. More coming.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on May 27, 2012
at 11:32 PM

Hey Matthew, no disrespect intended, but as someone who has had frequent problems with a lack of appetite, I think this is really bad advice. For me, fasting in this state always blunted my appetite further and made eating more difficult. At it's worst, only eating when I was hungry or wanted food caused me to become severely underweight.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:17 PM

Do you have any studies showing that fasting is good for body composition? i couldn't find any, I did fast for 36 hours and since then my appetite has diminished for sure!

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01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

(374)

on May 28, 2012
at 03:46 PM

Paula says her appetite increases when she lowers carbs, in my experience this decreases appetite. Judging by the wide range of answers, I would say you're going to have to just experiment and find something that works for you (I guess this is the answer to most questions, now that I think of it)

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F20af1e0c77eff221d556e3db0fc5684

on May 27, 2012
at 06:44 PM

Do you have signs of low metabolism? Things like cold fingers/toes, low pulse, low body temperature?

If so, you might want to look into the writing of people like Ray Peat, Danny Roddy, Matt Stone, and Janie Bowthorpe. They argue that low thyroid function is fairly common and important to treat.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:19 PM

I actually have high body temperature and poor circulation, i get pins and needles really easy

1
01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

(374)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:29 PM

What's your diet like now? If I go really LCHF my appetite pretty much disappears. If I want to stimulate my appetite, I throw more carbs into the mix!

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 07:18 PM

I've been eating sweet potatoes and carrots and a fair amount of fruit actually

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:36 PM

This. Sugar avoidance leads to an underactive thyroid, which leads to an underactive metabolism, which leads to a lack of appetite.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 27, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Fruit is sugar, right?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 27, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Can eating fruit be substituted for sugar? - that was my question.

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A5a835105e726e61d61077e84522a045

(130)

on May 28, 2012
at 03:30 PM

I have this problem. When I first started logging my food for my (paleo) trainer to look at, it drove him crazy because it was clear I wasn't eating enough. I'd be too tired to make myself healthy meals BECAUSE I wasn't eating enough.

But luckily, low carb paleo is the cure to my broken appetite. When I lower my carbs AND increase my protein intake, I actually have an appetite. It takes a couple days to kick in, though. Then it drives me crazy to actually be hungry!

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B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

on May 27, 2012
at 09:23 PM

When I first started eating the paleo/primal way, this happened to me too. I'm not sure if it is a good thing or a bad thing. What I do know now is that since I started adding smoothies to my diet on a pretty regular basis (usually one a day in the morning) I started losing weight again. It also curbs unhealthy cravings (for candy or other such things) which is great for me because of where I work (selling crappy food in a cafe).

The smoothie usually consists of 1 banana, 1 frozen banana, strawberries, blueberries, coconut milk, and whey protein isolate (from grass fed cows milk).

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on May 27, 2012
at 05:18 PM

I tend to agree with the idea "listen to your body." Having said that... In any body you need certain nutrients to function, and during body recomposition that is as important as ever.

I would suggest a small smoothie of veggies and fruit and, if you need it, stevia for sweetness. You don't have to force yourself to eat that way, but you are still getting what you need. You can find great recipes on www.marksdailyapple.com to start you off.

Good luck!

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on May 27, 2012
at 05:50 PM

Why was this down-voted?

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 27, 2012
at 11:01 PM

Not sure, I didn't down vote it! :)

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