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Easier to never start eating than to stop

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created November 06, 2011 at 7:51 PM

The problem I have with eating breakfast and frontloading most of my calories is that I have a hard time being able to stop eating once I start. Eating breakfast generally opens the floodgates to insatiable hunger all day, regardless of the contents of my breakfast. This is why I IF and eat between 6-10 on most days. I haven't been successful implementing cut off points earlier than 9pm. Too psychologically taxing going to bed hungry/empty.

However, I'm reading a lot about IF not being good for adrenal fatigue and I suspect I have cortisol issues (but never took a saliva test, too expensive)... Anyone else have issues with frontloading calories and been able to deal successfully?

306905a32e76b5c0764a663ea7e88426

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on November 07, 2011
at 04:25 PM

I try, I really do. But when that craving for 99% Lindt kicks in, if it's in the house... :)

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

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on November 07, 2011
at 01:12 PM

When you have a craving, try setting a timer for say 20 min. When it goes off see if you are still craving. If not, good. If so set it for 20 more minutes before you proceed any further with food or whatever the craving is. Works for me.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on November 07, 2011
at 07:20 AM

Really like that image of cravings as waves. Let your body feel the craving and look at it objectively "oh, goody, I'm having a craving, let's see how long this one will last" -- then you can't give in cuz you won't find out the answer if you do.

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on November 07, 2011
at 03:16 AM

I upvoted you as well. This is a great way to start, and exactly how I got my mom to start Paleo.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on November 07, 2011
at 02:27 AM

+1 to offset cowardly downvotes...

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on November 07, 2011
at 02:25 AM

Good answer here.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on November 07, 2011
at 02:09 AM

There are some that spam down votes at anything even hinting at lower carb approach. Ignore the idiocy.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 07, 2011
at 01:24 AM

It's hard for me to admit, as I acted on impulses many times, but I think there is a moment of truth. I know that I'm stronger/weaker based on my emotional state. I like your phrase "I didn't in that case."

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 07, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Down-voted again ... sure would like to learn from your opinion.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on November 07, 2011
at 12:55 AM

Okay, I'm no expert, but maybe you could try upping the protein and/or the carbs - I'm a tiny woman and I eat far more than that for breakfast. How about 4 eggs, some kind of breakfast meat like sausage or bacon, and maybe something starchy like potatoes fried in your bacon fat (unless you are trying to lose weight)?

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on November 07, 2011
at 12:51 AM

Just curious, why eat breakfast at all? I need one, just to take pills with it (soon to be off pills, hopefully), but I would eat one otherwise. Not most days, at least.

3a567c1637db69f1455ce35e78201a2c

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on November 07, 2011
at 12:02 AM

Who is telling you that you can make it only a week til you give into the binge? Can you make it one week plus one day? Dr K says his protocol is brain surgury without a knife. Do brain surgury on yourself so you will not be fixated on eating.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 06, 2011
at 10:05 PM

That was my experience as well, Dom, 'til I found primal.

673f7ad6052448d51496f177395416b7

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on November 06, 2011
at 10:04 PM

Good point, Dextery, but I can only do that for up for a week, MAX. Then it's as if my willpower has been used up and it just becomes too stressful to try and summon it up. When I was in my early 20's (when I first attempted dieting), it would be a piece of cake. But it seems that the more I've dieted, the smaller my willpower reserve becomes. Maybe it's my body becoming smarter.

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on November 06, 2011
at 10:00 PM

A typical breakfast would be: 2 eggs scrambled in coconut oil, eaten with half an avocado, sauteed mushrooms and zucchini. Along with a handful of walnuts, macadamia nuts and almonds.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 06, 2011
at 09:35 PM

thanks! BTW, I bought barefoot shoes for my walking and found I couldn't bear to go back to regulars so I wear a pair with suede uppers (Merrell) all the time and they're the most comfortable shoes I've worn in my life.

27e79ef3308bb5f2d7bd04ee7eea7b79

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on November 06, 2011
at 09:29 PM

I have no idea why you'd be downvoted for this perfectly valid response. I just upvoted you to even things out. This is true for me too - high protein/fat works better for me because otherwise I'll want to eat all day.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 06, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Hmm! Did I say that wrong? I meant, I'm not hungry for carbs all the time and I am releasing fat from adipose tissue now which stabilizes my metabolism thereby and avoids the urges to eat carbs? :-))

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on November 06, 2011
at 09:02 PM

You say "regardless of the contents of my breakfast", but could you give some more specifics? What is your usual breakfast? What other breakfasts have you tried?

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on November 06, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I second this notion. Used to experience the same "unleashing of the non stop appetite as soon as I started eating" but that all went away after a couple of months on the Leptin RX protocol. Nothing to lose if you try it!

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 06, 2011
at 08:46 PM

I used to say this too (can't stop once I start) but now I must admit that a high-protein/fat breakfast now shuts down my appetite so well I have to eat any fruit/veggies right away as part of that meal or I probably won't eat them at all. If I get hungry at all later, it now tends to be for more fatty meat such as sardines.

I really believe I've become a good fat-burner!

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on November 07, 2011
at 02:09 AM

There are some that spam down votes at anything even hinting at lower carb approach. Ignore the idiocy.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on November 07, 2011
at 02:27 AM

+1 to offset cowardly downvotes...

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 06, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Hmm! Did I say that wrong? I meant, I'm not hungry for carbs all the time and I am releasing fat from adipose tissue now which stabilizes my metabolism thereby and avoids the urges to eat carbs? :-))

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 07, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Down-voted again ... sure would like to learn from your opinion.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on November 07, 2011
at 03:16 AM

I upvoted you as well. This is a great way to start, and exactly how I got my mom to start Paleo.

27e79ef3308bb5f2d7bd04ee7eea7b79

(2038)

on November 06, 2011
at 09:29 PM

I have no idea why you'd be downvoted for this perfectly valid response. I just upvoted you to even things out. This is true for me too - high protein/fat works better for me because otherwise I'll want to eat all day.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 06, 2011
at 09:35 PM

thanks! BTW, I bought barefoot shoes for my walking and found I couldn't bear to go back to regulars so I wear a pair with suede uppers (Merrell) all the time and they're the most comfortable shoes I've worn in my life.

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F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on November 07, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Is it possible you are not eating enough calories, period? It's hard to stop eating when your body is chronically hungry. I have struggled with eating disorders in the past and for me the "witching hour" used to be after dinner, that urge to keep going back to the kitchen. Now I find that since I am eating enough throughout the day that I don't have those cravings after dinner. It's just a meal, and when it ends, it's not the end of the world. I'm full and sated.

If you suspect the issue is more emotionally-driven than actual physical hunger, remember that cravings are like waves - they crest and then they subside. If you can find things to distract yourself and buy time while the cravings crests - i.e. going for a walk, calling someone, hanging out on PaleoHacks etc - then you may find you're able to ride out the craving without succumbing to it. And it gives your brain time to register that you're actually full.

306905a32e76b5c0764a663ea7e88426

(1072)

on November 07, 2011
at 04:25 PM

I try, I really do. But when that craving for 99% Lindt kicks in, if it's in the house... :)

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on November 07, 2011
at 02:25 AM

Good answer here.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on November 07, 2011
at 07:20 AM

Really like that image of cravings as waves. Let your body feel the craving and look at it objectively "oh, goody, I'm having a craving, let's see how long this one will last" -- then you can't give in cuz you won't find out the answer if you do.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on November 07, 2011
at 01:12 PM

When you have a craving, try setting a timer for say 20 min. When it goes off see if you are still craving. If not, good. If so set it for 20 more minutes before you proceed any further with food or whatever the craving is. Works for me.

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on November 06, 2011
at 08:46 PM

Try eggs and butter for breakfast. If I eat 3-4 eggs and 2 tbsp butter I will not be hungry unitl lunch sometimes dinner. Any carbs and it all goes out the window. Speaking only of Breakfast.

My new breakfast is meat and one or two egg yolks. Works great as well.

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on November 06, 2011
at 08:41 PM

I have the same problem and from what I've seen many do so I'm not sure it's actually a problem per se. I IF most days and it makes life so much more pleasant.

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17aa9de32c2fbd80603d1bfadc5303dc

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on November 07, 2011
at 10:13 AM

I have been trying the leptin reset protocol for the last few weeks. Not sure i'm convinced by it but thought i'd give it a go.

Had 7 large eggs cooked in butter for breakfast every day for two weeks. The problem was that by lunch time i was starving and i was starving again in the evening. My overall consumption increased and I gained weight.

I've gone back to skipping breakfast.

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on November 07, 2011
at 12:14 AM

I know the feeling of reaching for some food (say chocolate) and snacking in the kitchen or elsewhere. It's an "impulse" and it sometimes seem to enact itself (automatically, reflexively). I also have had the experience of resisting the impulse, such that the it (impulse, reflex, "I've gotta have it right now...") becomes something about which I have a real choice. When I choose not to follow the impulse, that pause is everything ??? by which I mean, the pause is decisive. This is the change that happens: a shift related to the word "subject." For a moment, I feel subject to the impulse (and continue to feel that way, if I give in to it). However, when I pause and don't act on the impulse, it (the impulse) becomes a subject in its own right, that I can notice and work with. (Interesting, following these trails of desire, finding out what they're really about.)

In a nutshell: I feel the same pulls that others describe, sometimes feel myself being at the effect of those pulls. And when I let that dynamic become the subject, I am no longer subject to the temptation in the same way. Don't get me wrong: even after I do the pause as described, I sometimes decide, "Hey, I want that chocolate, period." And I eat it. But I do so from a different space, than if I had not taken a moment to practice as described. In any case: "I couldn't control myself" is not something I truly experience much at this point. Oh, sure. I might still say that, as an excuse. But usually what follows is a quiet admission: "Yes, you can control yourself. You didn't in that case..." No blame, no judgment, just being with what actually is.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 07, 2011
at 01:24 AM

It's hard for me to admit, as I acted on impulses many times, but I think there is a moment of truth. I know that I'm stronger/weaker based on my emotional state. I like your phrase "I didn't in that case."

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Dc6407193ba441d1438f6f0c06af872b

on November 06, 2011
at 10:13 PM

It's all about what works for you. FWIW I am exactly the same way. IF may have adrenal issues, but (over)eating all day has major issues as well, so if IFing works for you, relax (good for the adrenals) and enjoy the easy weight control. I understand that it's not optimal to eat right before bed. I've found that if I eat only 1-6, then I'm not really hungry at bedtime. Yes, I'd like to eat, but I'm not actually hungry, and I can go to bed just fine. So that's how I roll.

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on November 06, 2011
at 08:00 PM

This could mean you're leptin resistant, I'd try Quilt's Leptin rx as best as you can for a month and see what changes.

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on November 06, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I second this notion. Used to experience the same "unleashing of the non stop appetite as soon as I started eating" but that all went away after a couple of months on the Leptin RX protocol. Nothing to lose if you try it!

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6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

(581)

on November 07, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Maybe try and make your first meal more simple? Instead of eggs in coconut oil, avocado, mushrooms, zucchini, walnuts, macadamia nuts, and almonds... try eggs in butter, with some sort of meat, and one type of vegetable?

You might also try drinking more water, as sometimes thirst masquerades as hunger. I could be wrong, but it's worth a shot. :)

I've also had a sort of chronic hunger problem lately, and this formula has been working out for me so far. Well, that, and I've been suspecting maybe parasites might be playing a part, so I've been taking more probiotics and adding grapefruit seed extract to my water to kill the pests.

Good luck.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on November 06, 2011
at 09:56 PM

If I eat breakfast I must eat 3 meals that day. I can skip breakfast and feel good eating lunch and dinner. Can not eat breakfast and skip lunch without tearing someones head off. I actually don't find this to be much of a problem and purposely let myself miss breakfast 2-3 days a week while i sometimes miss breakfast and lunch 1-2x/week. From what I understand if you are leptin sensitive this is a non-issue way of eating. If leptin resistant...well like others have recommended you may want to try quilt's protocol.

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3a567c1637db69f1455ce35e78201a2c

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on November 06, 2011
at 08:43 PM

I guess you have to decide to stop eating. The question is who is in control of your eating? If you change how you think about eating, then you will be in charge of your eating.

Dr Kruse always says change your thinking to change your DNA. Many scoff at this notion because they think DNA is static and finite. You can change how you express your DNA by your thoughts.

673f7ad6052448d51496f177395416b7

(344)

on November 06, 2011
at 10:04 PM

Good point, Dextery, but I can only do that for up for a week, MAX. Then it's as if my willpower has been used up and it just becomes too stressful to try and summon it up. When I was in my early 20's (when I first attempted dieting), it would be a piece of cake. But it seems that the more I've dieted, the smaller my willpower reserve becomes. Maybe it's my body becoming smarter.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 06, 2011
at 10:05 PM

That was my experience as well, Dom, 'til I found primal.

3a567c1637db69f1455ce35e78201a2c

(1054)

on November 07, 2011
at 12:02 AM

Who is telling you that you can make it only a week til you give into the binge? Can you make it one week plus one day? Dr K says his protocol is brain surgury without a knife. Do brain surgury on yourself so you will not be fixated on eating.

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41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

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on November 06, 2011
at 08:01 PM

I have the same issue. Once I begin eating I can not stop! I do a 12-16 IF almost daily, and once i begin to eat, though I don't even feel really hungry, I can not stop. What gives??

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