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Does the PHD response to the article, "The Fat Trap?" answer any questions for you?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 06, 2012 at 3:04 AM

I just read Paul Jaminet's post inspired by the article discussed in this thread and I must say, it really helped me understand why I was always so obsessed with food--and hungry--while steadily gaining fat.

I think I already knew what he was explaining, but the reinforcement is very helpful.

What do you think of his message? Do you also find it meaningful?

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on January 06, 2012
at 10:34 PM

But I agree with 'do as the bodybuilders do.' Food choices for weight loss are pretty common sense. Proteins, bit of fat, bit of carbs, and piles of veggies. If you want to reach a mediocre weight, low carb/high fat is perfect. I won't really be satisfied til I get them abs.

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on January 06, 2012
at 10:14 PM

You can't look at it at a day-to-day level though. 1200kcal will not be satiating for very long once your body senses the energy deficit.

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on January 06, 2012
at 09:44 PM

2000 calories buys you a lot of real paleo food, so I don't see the problem that some of these people have. I've created day-long satiety with 1200 calories using paleo foods. You just have to eat a lot of tubers.

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on January 06, 2012
at 09:38 PM

That's a good point. Since I've steadily lost weight, theoretically I've been in a reduced-calorie state but it feels like sufficiency. The interesting thing will be to find out at what level of body fat I stabilize by eating without restrictions other than food choices.

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on January 06, 2012
at 07:35 PM

i try to remind myself that the fact that i gain weight easily is a blessing in disguise -- it immediately hints at a metabolic problem handling what i'm eating. my friend may be able to subsist and stay a 110 lbs at 5'10 on coke, doritos and bagels...but in the end, i think my insides are better off. i'm taking my weight to be a very well-honed warning signal to take good care of myself :-D

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:07 PM

Yes, I can't wait for the next post. It seems so obvious after reading his article that all the attention is on adipose tissue and even the experts have been overlooking the role of the lean mass. Even when I understood you could be both fat and malnourished I didn't fully get that.

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at 04:05 PM

When you see those "skinny and energetic" people at the mall or at work I agree there's a tendency to wonder. However, all the ones I really got to know in their homes and away from work had more health issues and mental unrest than I did. That said, I also wish I had given up wheat as a teenager--I would not have fallen into binge eating and I would not be fat. Not a doubt.

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:04 PM

Don't be. We can eat tons of bacon and delicious meats and eggs. They probably don't.

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Maj, that sounds like something I'd like to read too but a Google search came up empty. It's also not listed in Beatrice Golomb's CV: http://cnl.salk.edu/~bgolomb/. How can we find it? Tx.

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:37 PM

It could be so. I'll look for "The Starving Cell". Thanks.

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at 06:44 AM

Maybe people are sensitive in different ways? I've had a few mountain-dew chugging co-workers in the IT department who were always skinny and high-powered, but have been diagnosed with pre-diabetes.

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on January 06, 2012
at 09:34 PM

The results, at least as reported by the Times piece, aren???t what most dieters want to hear. The people who kept weight off were those who basically continued some form of calorie restriction indefinitely

If your daily energy intake matches your total daily energy expenditure, it's not calorie restriction it's calorie sufficiency. I don't see why he's playing into the sour grapes/defeatist tone of the article.

More to the point, he has a pretty novel theory there about lean tissue with an all-too-convenient circumstance where it is "invisible." I'll keep an open mind though and see how well he backs it up.

Edit: Oh man, Paul's weight loss diet has buoyed my faith in mainstream (such as it is) paleo. Finally someone is giving real advice. Everyone's going around in circles when we all should have just asked the body builders what they do. Sure, some of them dick around with cyclic ketogenic diets etc. but the majority of them over the years eat at least 100-150g of carbs, a bunch of protein, and cut way back on fat. It's hard for me to read further with my eyes welling up....

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

(2890)

on January 06, 2012
at 10:14 PM

You can't look at it at a day-to-day level though. 1200kcal will not be satiating for very long once your body senses the energy deficit.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

(2890)

on January 06, 2012
at 10:34 PM

But I agree with 'do as the bodybuilders do.' Food choices for weight loss are pretty common sense. Proteins, bit of fat, bit of carbs, and piles of veggies. If you want to reach a mediocre weight, low carb/high fat is perfect. I won't really be satisfied til I get them abs.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on January 06, 2012
at 09:44 PM

2000 calories buys you a lot of real paleo food, so I don't see the problem that some of these people have. I've created day-long satiety with 1200 calories using paleo foods. You just have to eat a lot of tubers.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 06, 2012
at 09:38 PM

That's a good point. Since I've steadily lost weight, theoretically I've been in a reduced-calorie state but it feels like sufficiency. The interesting thing will be to find out at what level of body fat I stabilize by eating without restrictions other than food choices.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 06, 2012
at 05:12 AM

I'm disappointed. Why can some ppl eat junk food and stay skinny and be energetic? Why doesn't the malnourishing junk food diet create obesity every time? It could be explained by differences in genetics, some are more able to get by on less nutrition. If only I had nourished my lean mass none of my obesity would have happened? No doubt in my mind that eating zc left me malnourished and adding veggies helped and eating safe starches has helped more but I was eating all of those things for years and I was fat. One difference is wheat and another was PUFA's.

Edit: I'm not disappointed anymore. Quote from Dr. Paul in his comments: "Malnutrition is not a sufficient condition for obesity ??? only a contributing factor. I am using it here to explain the ???fat trap??? that makes it difficult for the obese to sustain weight loss, not to explain obesity itself. Wait for parts 2, 3, 4, etc." I jumped the gun.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:04 PM

Don't be. We can eat tons of bacon and delicious meats and eggs. They probably don't.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 06, 2012
at 06:44 AM

Maybe people are sensitive in different ways? I've had a few mountain-dew chugging co-workers in the IT department who were always skinny and high-powered, but have been diagnosed with pre-diabetes.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 06, 2012
at 04:05 PM

When you see those "skinny and energetic" people at the mall or at work I agree there's a tendency to wonder. However, all the ones I really got to know in their homes and away from work had more health issues and mental unrest than I did. That said, I also wish I had given up wheat as a teenager--I would not have fallen into binge eating and I would not be fat. Not a doubt.

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

(2546)

on January 06, 2012
at 07:35 PM

i try to remind myself that the fact that i gain weight easily is a blessing in disguise -- it immediately hints at a metabolic problem handling what i'm eating. my friend may be able to subsist and stay a 110 lbs at 5'10 on coke, doritos and bagels...but in the end, i think my insides are better off. i'm taking my weight to be a very well-honed warning signal to take good care of myself :-D

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on January 06, 2012
at 07:16 AM

I enjoyed reading his theory of lean tissue feedback and look forward to him stepping into the ring with the Taubes and food-reward theories.

I'm also very interested to see more about how lean tissue determines leptin sensitivity, and how others will receive that idea.

I hope he addresses the fact that leptin resistance can occur in the liver, muscles, and brain, and whether lean tissue is affecting the leptin sensitivity in all places and in tandem with what else.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:07 PM

Yes, I can't wait for the next post. It seems so obvious after reading his article that all the attention is on adipose tissue and even the experts have been overlooking the role of the lean mass. Even when I understood you could be both fat and malnourished I didn't fully get that.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 06, 2012
at 01:37 PM

Those stories - its clear case of vitamin/mineral deficiencies.

@melinda:

Blaming genetics is easy escape.

Your results are because you didn't do it right. Look random zero carb study, go for supplement regimen section, multiply doses by 5 - 10 and repeat everything again with adequate supplements.

Shortly: What good is your bank money if the bank is on the Mars and you are without a space ship ?

To know more

The Starving Cell: Metabolic Syndrome as an Adaptive Process B. A. Golomb

Chapter - Micronutrient deficiencies commonly attend obesity

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:37 PM

It could be so. I'll look for "The Starving Cell". Thanks.

6984d31d0c639b4f470dc7ae15783929

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Maj, that sounds like something I'd like to read too but a Google search came up empty. It's also not listed in Beatrice Golomb's CV: http://cnl.salk.edu/~bgolomb/. How can we find it? Tx.

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