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No relief from PMS/PMDD, any ideas?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 16, 2011 at 6:39 PM

I have been eating primal for about 6 months and have seen HUGE improvements in my overall health and digestive issues. I was feeling very malnourished and now I feel great! One area though that has not budged in the slightest is my PMS/PMDD. I have always had mood issues during PMS but they seem to have gotten worse in the past few years.

About a year and a half ago I stopped taking oral contraceptives (I had been on them 16 years, was put on them at 14 to regulate very heavy, every-two-months periods). I'm happy that my periods have been just fine off of them, maybe even better (lighter, less cramping, etc).

When I went primal back in April I started taking Calcium D-Glucarate, DIM, and rx strength progesterone cream/sublingual drops (100mg). At the end of the ten-day period where I'm taking the progesterone, I start having PMS that lasts for about one week. Most days I'm moody, frustrate easily, have a short temper, etc but there are one or two days of severe depression and fatigue. After this week of hell, I start feeling better mentally, start cramping (not severe but it's there) then get my period.

This has been going pretty steady and I have seen no improvement in my mood. I'm feeling like stopping the progesterone, that at that strength I should see a big improvement so I don't think it's helping. I'm also wondering if there are other supplements and herbs I should try, like 5-htp or St John's Wort. Considering the supplements, would I take them daily or just when I think the PMS is going to start? Have any of you had success with supplements such as these to treat PMS?

I am drinking alcohol, caffeine (mostly tea) and eating a little dairy, in the past I have been off of them for months at a time, again with no effect on my moods during PMS. I am 30 years old and moderately active, and have severe gluten intolerance.

Any wise words would be much appreciated, by me and my patient boyfriend ; )

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on August 24, 2012
at 03:16 AM

Maca powder works for me. I take it every day for about one week before my period - amazing relief!

E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

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on April 25, 2012
at 02:24 AM

Also no caffeine : ( and limited alcohol. Off my thyroid meds and feeling okay, but energy could be better so she's adding DHEA for a while to see if that helps. Falling asleep easier, waking still tough. Period was late by a week but little PMS so mood might be improving. Will know better after a few cycles, can't count on just one to know if it's working or not for that issue.

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on April 25, 2012
at 02:21 AM

Jenny J it's going through a liver detox which apparently rids you of excess estrogen (just like toxins). So I got my test results back a couple of weeks ago and shockingly my estrogen levels were pretty good, testosterone a little high, and REALLY low cortisol. DHEA also low. I started an adrenal protocol which includes: AdrenaStim and AdrenaCalm creams by Apex Energetics, Proglyco-SP, Adaptocrine and Pregnenalone supplements by Apex, and diligence with regulating blood sugar. So eating a really good, high protein and fat paleo diet and snacking religiously so I don't let my blood sugar crash

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on March 13, 2012
at 01:29 AM

What's an "estrogen detox"?

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on March 09, 2012
at 10:11 PM

Exercise has never affected it one way or the other, unfortunately. Obviously exercise helps us feel better overall/day-to-day, which is great, but no relief for these symptoms. That's awesome you are getting clear benefits! I do get as much sun as possible in the winter and yes, I do also do a short stint in a tanning bed every few weeks. I have never timed it near PMS though, that is worth a shot. I think having acupuncture would also help. Thanks for the great ideas!

E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

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on March 09, 2012
at 10:08 PM

I have not had any improvement so went to another doctor, and she is going to have me do a hormone test where you take a saliva sample four times a day, and wants me to do it when I think I have PMS. She believes I def have too much estrogen from oral contraceptives, but this test will show us all that, plus stress hormones. She said that just adding progesterone is usually not enough and if my estrogen is too high, I will need to do an estrogen detox. I will let you know what I find out after my test results.

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on November 17, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Ok, today I feel *very* weepy :-( My muscles are achey too... Must NOT eat gluten!!!

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on November 17, 2011
at 03:05 AM

Yes, I have taken magnesium aspartate and tri-salts

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C4134ed417dbc0a6b79ab2cee32632d3

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on November 16, 2011
at 11:27 PM

I was looking up PMS symptoms earlier today. I read that eostrogen can affect calcium/magnesium levels. Are you still using the progesterone? Perhaps this could be a factor?

Zinc, magnesium & vitamin b6 have been implicated with PMS.

I know from baby forums that a lot of women with mebstrual problems like to take Agnis Castus. And of course, omega balance seems to be a biggie too (evening primrose oil/borage oil).

FWIW, I had cramps this month - I usually only get mood swings. I am definitely better on paleo. But, I knew this month would be off due to my falling off the wagon & eating gluten!

Keep at it, it took me quite a few months before my moods wings prevailed.

C4134ed417dbc0a6b79ab2cee32632d3

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on November 17, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Ok, today I feel *very* weepy :-( My muscles are achey too... Must NOT eat gluten!!!

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on November 16, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Have you tried magnesium supplements - I would try these every day. It might help to cut out caffeine ... at least during the PMS days.

E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

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on November 17, 2011
at 03:05 AM

Yes, I have taken magnesium aspartate and tri-salts

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on March 12, 2012
at 11:39 PM

Thanks for the update Lyn. I hope you have some more success with the new doctor. Good luck with the salivia test. the couple i have had definately confirm high estrogen levels. I'd be very interested in what he/she says by way of estrogen detox. Agaist my better judgement, i have been trialling an oral contraceptive for the last week - definately not feeling any better. Those 4/5 days of dowm time can be very tough, but i hold out hope that there is some way to get through them without taking such medication. I'm currently taking a herbal supplement called resillan - seems to assisting with my mood and general well being. maybe worth a try?

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on March 08, 2012
at 12:52 AM

What about excercise? I don't know if it would help you or not...I also get wicked mood swings with hormonal shifts. I've been eating better, but just this last 4 weeks I started going to yoga 3x per week and my period shortened by several days. I'm curious if this will affect my overall pms as well. I've never had a four day period before, it's always been eight days.

Also, if I were you I would try hitting a tanning bed or getting some sun a few days prior and then during as well. Maybe that could help along with your vit D with energy levels. I think I'm going to try the suggestion of borage oil for myself.

E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

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on March 09, 2012
at 10:11 PM

Exercise has never affected it one way or the other, unfortunately. Obviously exercise helps us feel better overall/day-to-day, which is great, but no relief for these symptoms. That's awesome you are getting clear benefits! I do get as much sun as possible in the winter and yes, I do also do a short stint in a tanning bed every few weeks. I have never timed it near PMS though, that is worth a shot. I think having acupuncture would also help. Thanks for the great ideas!

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on March 07, 2012
at 10:56 AM

interesting. I have very similar symptoms, most notably the severe depression just prior to my period, which eases afterwards. My prescription has been exactly the same dim, calcium d, and progesterone- with little success. My gp did try to get me to take a low dose anti depressant but I didn't like it at all. Trialling the pill now. Can let u know, would appreciate hearing if u have had any more success! :)

E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

(505)

on March 09, 2012
at 10:08 PM

I have not had any improvement so went to another doctor, and she is going to have me do a hormone test where you take a saliva sample four times a day, and wants me to do it when I think I have PMS. She believes I def have too much estrogen from oral contraceptives, but this test will show us all that, plus stress hormones. She said that just adding progesterone is usually not enough and if my estrogen is too high, I will need to do an estrogen detox. I will let you know what I find out after my test results.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 13, 2012
at 01:29 AM

What's an "estrogen detox"?

E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

(505)

on April 25, 2012
at 02:24 AM

Also no caffeine : ( and limited alcohol. Off my thyroid meds and feeling okay, but energy could be better so she's adding DHEA for a while to see if that helps. Falling asleep easier, waking still tough. Period was late by a week but little PMS so mood might be improving. Will know better after a few cycles, can't count on just one to know if it's working or not for that issue.

E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

(505)

on April 25, 2012
at 02:21 AM

Jenny J it's going through a liver detox which apparently rids you of excess estrogen (just like toxins). So I got my test results back a couple of weeks ago and shockingly my estrogen levels were pretty good, testosterone a little high, and REALLY low cortisol. DHEA also low. I started an adrenal protocol which includes: AdrenaStim and AdrenaCalm creams by Apex Energetics, Proglyco-SP, Adaptocrine and Pregnenalone supplements by Apex, and diligence with regulating blood sugar. So eating a really good, high protein and fat paleo diet and snacking religiously so I don't let my blood sugar crash

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on November 17, 2011
at 04:30 AM

I'm a fan of Evening Primrose Oil 1000 mg/day to ward off PMS and its evil symptoms.

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on November 16, 2011
at 08:22 PM

A good mixed vitamin E. I like jarrow tocosorb. Actually helps. Some chromium helps around the PMS times too.

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