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does bedtime honey improve your sleep...

Commented on November 12, 2013
Created November 08, 2013 at 5:52 AM

anyone here experimented with honey before bed to see if it improves your sleep...what did you discover?

Seth Roberts is currently experimenting with it (& some of his readers), he recently wrote about it here, Does Bedtime Honey Improve Sleep? Nine Reasons to Think So

i tried honey before bed a while back, in various doses & timings, & it did not seem to have any effect on my sleep that i noticed...

maybe the type of honey is a factor, possibly the higher fructose honeys work better on improving sleep (idk). Fructose content varies widely in honey, one article i read tested different honeys with fructose varying between 27.5 g & 52.4 g per 100 g. (the higher the fructose, the more runny the honey, i think).

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on November 12, 2013
at 03:24 AM

No, sorry. This is ours: http://www.amazon.com/Ambrosia-Pure-Honey-Ounce-Bottles/dp/B00B4IGS3U it's from Colorado, U.S. This one is raw and unfiltered but not *creamed* and idk the difference. It warns about containing bits of pollen and wax, though, so again... I think its legit.

Do you take epsom salt baths? Those have helped my wife immensely, too.

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on November 12, 2013
at 02:55 AM

i actually have one called by that name, i wonder if it's the same, mine is Australian (i am in Aus), here's a link to it. Tho the colour in that pic is different (maybe it's warmed up), mine is opaque & 'creamy' coloured

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on November 12, 2013
at 02:51 AM

i've actually tried tart cherry juice, did not make any diff to my sleep, at least not +ve (if it was -ve i cannot recall)

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on November 12, 2013
at 02:47 AM

It's Ambrosia Honey Co. Raw, unfiltered. Honesty? We get it from Walmart, and its got a lot of variation in texture from one batch to the next, which suggests to us that its' legit. Other than that we also get local honey (which being in IA is really easy for us) from the local/natural co-op. Hope this helps :)

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on November 12, 2013
at 02:30 AM

This is totally not in regard to people who *do* get higher energy levels from minimal sugar, but lol at "get all activated over."

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on November 11, 2013
at 11:14 AM

It looks like cherry juice is another interesting one. Why not both?

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on November 11, 2013
at 09:26 AM

just read this about 'set' & runny,

"What is the difference between clear and set honey? The higher the fructose content, the longer the honey will remain liquid. Some honeys contain more glucose than fructose and, therefore, are very likely to crystallise swiftly" source

& it sounds like you have one of each

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on November 11, 2013
at 09:23 AM

every bit helps. you just made me google 'set honey', i'm a honey novice.

i would keep going with the honey that is working for you (the set one?) for a bit...& then try runny one for a couple of nights to see if you noticed a difference (better/worse sleep). if you do, pls post up your findings.

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on November 11, 2013
at 09:06 AM

I was given a jar of set honey from a neighbour who keeps bees. We also buy 'runny honey' from someone who lives near us. In that case we think our flowers are providing the pollen so we are buying our own produce back!

That's not really any help to you - sorry!

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on November 11, 2013
at 08:52 AM

good to hear. can you let me the particular brand/type/flavour of honey you used, i'm trying to see if some honeys are better than others for improving sleep (a link would be handy if poss)

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on November 11, 2013
at 08:44 AM

Waking once is a huge improvement. Sometimes I wake just abotu every hour!

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on November 11, 2013
at 06:13 AM

I tend to get the true insomnia, where I have difficulty falling asleep and will stay up for 2-3d at a time, repeatedly for a week or two. I've gone in and out of it since I was a kid.

I've been strategically eating carbs later in the day and around physical activity. Sometimes a small glass of OJ before bed.

Lately, I'm sleeping a solid 9hrs a night, knock on wood. I think the paleo diet alone is helping to even me out to just a nice relaxed steady energy. It's taken some work to get here.

This honey thing will be one more tool in the belt.

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on November 11, 2013
at 05:24 AM

thx Jean, i take it only waking once is an improvement for you...

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on November 11, 2013
at 05:23 AM

thx, could you let me know the particular brand/type/flavour of honey she uses if poss, a link would be handy.

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on November 11, 2013
at 05:19 AM

let us know how it goes...

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on November 11, 2013
at 05:18 AM

thx Janknitz. Seth also linked that article. I think that's what prompted the experiment by one of Seth's readers.

The use of honey & mct oil before bed is an intriguing one. I have avoided using mct oil after late afternoon (& would never take in the evening again), because for me, it 'energises' my brain & would keep me awake all night with an over-active mind/brain. (tho i have never tried mct oil & honey together).

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on November 10, 2013
at 01:00 PM

Keep in mind that the rest of the time that you're not carb-backloading or doing carb-nite, you're doing either IF and/or very low carb, and the carb days are usually going to coincide with big workouts.

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at 08:46 AM

An interesting article which I have bookmarked. Thank you. I have often had issues with waking in the night hungry even before paleo and low carb weight loss and can't get to sleep on a completely empty stomach so this does seem to help me.

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on November 09, 2013
at 02:04 PM

It might make you fat, but that's not necessarily the case for anyone or everyone else. Who can speak for them? Not you, or me...

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on November 09, 2013
at 12:54 AM

i think the touted idea for honey before bed is more of a 'not waking during the night (sleep quality)' effect, rather than a 'sleepy' effect. ie. to improve sleep maintenance more than sleep onset. (i could be wrong tho, it's happened before...)

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on November 08, 2013
at 10:16 PM

is this the thread, http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-manufacture-the-best-night-of-sleep-in-your-life (the one paleot linked in a comment)

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on November 08, 2013
at 09:36 PM

What about carb-nite and carb back-loading regimens out there? They all recommended to have carbs only at dinner and avoiding it in the breakfast and lunch-time.

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at 09:27 AM

See:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-manufacture-the-best-night-of-sleep-in-your-life/#axzz2jSfhPRt1

I believe liver glycogen stores are depleted by as much as 75% during sleep (which fructose targets with a strong preference over muscle stores.) Throw on depleted muscle glycogen stores, and a little honey before bed starts to make more sense. I want to say the liver can hold about 100g.

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on November 08, 2013
at 09:13 AM

n=1 stuff, probably different for some. I'm the kind of guy that likes green tea with caffeine before bed. And most would probably say that caffeine gets them going. I would argue that 20-60 calories out of a 2,000-3,000 calorie day isn't much energy to get all activated over.

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on November 08, 2013
at 09:07 AM

We're talking about an amount of sugar that burns off in less than 5 minutes of exercise.. maybe 12 minutes or so if you're just walking around the house at the slowest pace. But, if bacon and eggs helps you sleep in the cold winter, go for it.

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on November 08, 2013
at 09:06 AM

"...then how could honey improve my sleep?" no idea/don't know

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:59 AM

Same here

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:54 AM

if you are using eggs as your protein source, better to go the whites rather than the yolks, or better yet, just eat the whole eggs

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:51 AM

i don't know if it needs to be (high fructose), that's all part of the self experimenting process i guess, it is a variable tho

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:45 AM

By evening, my protein kcals are pretty substantial and often higher than I want. I prefer protein for breakfast. To each their own, but these guys don't look fat to me.

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:41 AM

Well i,m not from hadza tribe and never do workout in the evening so that,s why i would choose protein in the evening

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:28 AM

A teaspoon of honey is <6 grams of carbohydrates... the hadza tribe thrives on honey (upwards of 20% of their caloric energy) and look like this. Some of my best workouts are done at night before bed with some carbohydrate fuel to replenish the glycogen tanks.

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:02 AM

This is good stuff, though I'm sure how well it fits the profile for high fructose honey.

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on November 08, 2013
at 07:58 AM

As an insomniac without a jar of honey, I'll have to go shopping.

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on November 11, 2013
at 09:52 AM

Traditionally I always heard about a warm glass of milk with honey, but the quantity and fructose content might have something to do, because I also was told that fruits before bed time are a big no.

There is one salad dressing I discovered recently: Mustard + Honey + Vinegar + Olive Oil which I love so much that now is a dinner stapple. Since I usually have dinner like 4-5 hours before bed, a normally need bedtime snack during heavy workout days: quark with honey. In either case, I never use more than one teaspoon.

In one of the comments @paleot mentions how liver runs low on glycogen during sleep. It is interesting to mention that some people believe that carbs from starches refill your muscles glycogen, while natural sugars (like fructose and lactose according the tradition) tends to go immediately into your liver. So maybe just a tiny bit of honey is a useful direct shot.

Certainly I have felt some mood improvement, which I believe, might also be related with better sleep.

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on November 10, 2013
at 08:44 AM

Last night I had a teaspoon of honey and no alcohol. I only woke once for the loo.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 11, 2013
at 09:26 AM

just read this about 'set' & runny,

"What is the difference between clear and set honey? The higher the fructose content, the longer the honey will remain liquid. Some honeys contain more glucose than fructose and, therefore, are very likely to crystallise swiftly" source

& it sounds like you have one of each

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on November 11, 2013
at 09:06 AM

I was given a jar of set honey from a neighbour who keeps bees. We also buy 'runny honey' from someone who lives near us. In that case we think our flowers are providing the pollen so we are buying our own produce back!

That's not really any help to you - sorry!

7e36094a0f7a2fbad24290225405220b

(2064)

on November 11, 2013
at 08:44 AM

Waking once is a huge improvement. Sometimes I wake just abotu every hour!

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on November 11, 2013
at 08:52 AM

good to hear. can you let me the particular brand/type/flavour of honey you used, i'm trying to see if some honeys are better than others for improving sleep (a link would be handy if poss)

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on November 11, 2013
at 09:23 AM

every bit helps. you just made me google 'set honey', i'm a honey novice.

i would keep going with the honey that is working for you (the set one?) for a bit...& then try runny one for a couple of nights to see if you noticed a difference (better/worse sleep). if you do, pls post up your findings.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 11, 2013
at 05:24 AM

thx Jean, i take it only waking once is an improvement for you...

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on November 09, 2013
at 10:32 PM

See http://www.bulletproofexec.com/the-top-6-ways-to-improve-your-sleep-using-food/ item 4. It may work for some people, but if you have blood sugar issues, watch your blood sugar carefully.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 11, 2013
at 05:18 AM

thx Janknitz. Seth also linked that article. I think that's what prompted the experiment by one of Seth's readers.

The use of honey & mct oil before bed is an intriguing one. I have avoided using mct oil after late afternoon (& would never take in the evening again), because for me, it 'energises' my brain & would keep me awake all night with an over-active mind/brain. (tho i have never tried mct oil & honey together).

7e36094a0f7a2fbad24290225405220b

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on November 10, 2013
at 08:46 AM

An interesting article which I have bookmarked. Thank you. I have often had issues with waking in the night hungry even before paleo and low carb weight loss and can't get to sleep on a completely empty stomach so this does seem to help me.

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on November 09, 2013
at 07:23 AM

I tried this last nigh and it was a bit better. I didn't wake as often as usual. However I had had a couple of glasses of red wine earlier and that usually doesn't help. I'll try again tonight without the wine.

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on November 09, 2013
at 04:26 AM

My wife drinks green tea with 2 tbsp honey and 2 tbsp cream every night, literally right before she actually lays down to sleep. It has been helping her (an intermittent insomniac) drift off for a long time now, and she rarely wakes during the night.

Which is great for me 'cause, y'know... all it takes is a pillow for me to pass out.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 11, 2013
at 05:23 AM

thx, could you let me know the particular brand/type/flavour of honey she uses if poss, a link would be handy.

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on November 08, 2013
at 10:11 PM

I am going to test this and report. Regrettably, I will fly to East Asia for work tomorrow (one week stay), it will be a while before I can complete the test.

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on November 08, 2013
at 04:28 PM

i just read this on mark's daily apple. i have not noticed honey having a "sleepy" effect on me, but no food really does.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 09, 2013
at 12:54 AM

i think the touted idea for honey before bed is more of a 'not waking during the night (sleep quality)' effect, rather than a 'sleepy' effect. ie. to improve sleep maintenance more than sleep onset. (i could be wrong tho, it's happened before...)

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 08, 2013
at 10:16 PM

is this the thread, http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-manufacture-the-best-night-of-sleep-in-your-life (the one paleot linked in a comment)

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:57 AM

I am really writing withoute reading the articles, so please discard this opinion if you find it stupid.

If honey has a lot of sugar in it and sugar activates me (I eat everyday a banana at breakfast instead of coffee and I tell you that it wakes me more than caffeine), then how could honey improve my sleep?

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:59 AM

Same here

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on November 08, 2013
at 09:13 AM

n=1 stuff, probably different for some. I'm the kind of guy that likes green tea with caffeine before bed. And most would probably say that caffeine gets them going. I would argue that 20-60 calories out of a 2,000-3,000 calorie day isn't much energy to get all activated over.

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on November 08, 2013
at 09:06 AM

"...then how could honey improve my sleep?" no idea/don't know

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:53 AM

i come from place where in winter we have -30 outside so i really prefer my bacon and eggs to honey. Those guys live in tanzania and i live in the north pole so there is huge difference in our metabolism.

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on November 08, 2013
at 09:07 AM

We're talking about an amount of sugar that burns off in less than 5 minutes of exercise.. maybe 12 minutes or so if you're just walking around the house at the slowest pace. But, if bacon and eggs helps you sleep in the cold winter, go for it.

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:22 AM

Sugar in the evening will make you fat my dear. I would choose raw egg yolks.

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on November 09, 2013
at 02:04 PM

It might make you fat, but that's not necessarily the case for anyone or everyone else. Who can speak for them? Not you, or me...

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on November 08, 2013
at 09:36 PM

What about carb-nite and carb back-loading regimens out there? They all recommended to have carbs only at dinner and avoiding it in the breakfast and lunch-time.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:28 AM

A teaspoon of honey is <6 grams of carbohydrates... the hadza tribe thrives on honey (upwards of 20% of their caloric energy) and look like this. Some of my best workouts are done at night before bed with some carbohydrate fuel to replenish the glycogen tanks.

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:41 AM

Well i,m not from hadza tribe and never do workout in the evening so that,s why i would choose protein in the evening

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on November 08, 2013
at 06:28 AM

Interesting. As an insomniac with a jar of honey, I'll have to give this a try.

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on November 08, 2013
at 07:58 AM

As an insomniac without a jar of honey, I'll have to go shopping.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 11, 2013
at 05:19 AM

let us know how it goes...

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