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Ever worry about possible unknown health consequences of INCESSANT GORGING on specific foods?

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Created March 14, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Many Paleo eaters here eat certain items in fairly large quantities. Part of that I think is a defense mechanism against eating the 'forbidden foods'. Part of it is also just that some foods that are hallowed as almost sacred in the Paleosphere are so frickin delicious and nutrient rich that we get a little overzealous when it comes to our feelings about it. Feelings? About food? Dang straight. You all know what I'm talking about.

Eggs. Butter. Cream. Beef. Cheese. Coconut ... etc.

We know that Dr Harris eats copious amounts of butter and cream, and that Chris Masterjohn and Chris Kresser eat their fair share of eggs. We know that Stephan Guyenet 'will slam 3 potatoes a day no problem'.

For me, I choose to believe that butter and cream have fallen right out of heaven and into my fridge. Most of my fats come from those 2 sources, but I also could eat a steak basically every day. I almost never tire of it.

I do eat a wide variety of foods, not just my favorites, but I'll admit that sometimes I wonder if eating heavier amounts of a certain narrow group of foods will come back to bite us in 10-15 years from now in a way that we are not able to forsee at this time.

What foods might you be overconsuming, and do you worry about it?

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on March 16, 2011
at 08:57 AM

and what's wrong with a little indulgence - 'bangs for bucks' the satiety it provides, clotted cream is well worth the expense (Budgens £1.38 200ml)

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:53 PM

I"m talking about eating thousands of calories worth of pecans, and yes I was sortof kidding.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:39 PM

now see this is exactly what i'm talking about. i completely understand Ikco. I don't really drink it by the cup, but I do take my unfair share of heavy cream. this type of behavior is what my question is all about.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:28 PM

I'm so afraid to even try this since it's sounds like heaven.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:27 PM

i eat pecans. pecans have some pufa, but raw pecans cannot be compared to soybean oil. so I will assume sarcasm :)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 15, 2011
at 02:25 PM

hey i was gonna buy some double clotted cream from a farmer's market the other day but i didn't wanna choke up the $7 for that tiny little bottle. what is that stuff for? pure indulgence?

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on March 15, 2011
at 02:17 PM

'la creme de la creme', especially clotted

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on March 15, 2011
at 01:37 AM

Hah! That is awesome on so many levels. :D I love my fella and how blissfully unaware he is of nutrition. He eats when he's hungry and stops when he's full, and that's all he needs to know, as far as he's concerned. Last night, I was reading out loud to him how much fat I had eaten that day -- about 115-120g by that point, rough estimate -- and he paused and said, "Is that good?" Fat is integral to my diet, too. Love my fats!

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 15, 2011
at 01:13 AM

^^I'm so sorry :(.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on March 15, 2011
at 01:12 AM

@Jack, it is. I am not, sadly.. It's my 80/20 in my budget :) @Family & Mari - not melted.. butter is coarsely cubed (I keep it fairly cold), chocolate bars broken up, cream dumped on top, add cinnamon, blueberries on training days, a little maca root powder or cocoa, put in freezer for 5 min. Straight to Heaven... no joke.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 15, 2011
at 01:11 AM

Stabby thank god macadamias are low in pufa. Otherwise we'd both be screwed. If I did that with pecans, might as well eat soybean oil. Tasty soybean oil I guess.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 15, 2011
at 12:41 AM

My husband is doing the bulk of the grocery shopping this month (long story...) and after his first couple of trips I was like, "Honey, do you realize how many eggs I eat?...like...a dozen every 2-3 days..." And that's just me! Eggs are a staple for my girls, too. Don't even get me started on my husband coming home from one trip without heavy cream... :) I said, "About 70 percent of my calories each day are from fat..." He is still in the process of learning/accepting the centrality of fat in my diet.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 15, 2011
at 12:38 AM

^^I was wondering the same thing. I had a mental image of a big block of butter... Somehow I don't think that's what you meant.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 15, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Is this all melted together, or sort of semi homogenous, kinda tossed together and cold?

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 15, 2011
at 12:33 AM

1400 worthwhile reasons to consume that jar. (Kidding.) (Sort of.)

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on March 15, 2011
at 12:02 AM

Ditto! They're fast and easy and tasty as heck. I have no idea what I'd eat for breakfast without them.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:48 PM

And I would only worry about too much polyunsaturated fat. Ask Tuktuk the Inuit how much fat is too much fat. He will laugh at youu.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:48 PM

And I would only worry about too much polyunsaturated fat. Ask Tuktuk the Inuit how much fat is too fat. He will laugh at youu.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:46 PM

I just ate a bag of macadamias. 1700 calories. I win! *smug*

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:44 PM

Rob, sometimes i worry too. I know fat is healthy, but how much is too much?

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:34 PM

I'm in the same 2 dozen eggs a week camp. The cholesterol doesn't bother me but the idea of living with out eggs is unthinkable. That I'm so dependent on one food item bothers me.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:12 PM

Same here...I consume a ton of fat, but don't gain weight, hopefully I am not doing damage in some way internally that just doesn't show up externally.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:11 PM

WOW, that's an amazing dessert.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Butter and cream are from heaven...too bad I can't tolerate them.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Is that the raw butter and cream from OP Todd? Are you wealthy?

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:37 PM

Absolutely! lol. Except I remember you saying large amounts of fat wired you. I I can see it now, Im passed out and you're pushing your car through the parking lot. Honestly though, this barely poses a challenge anymore.. It's kind of alarming.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:28 PM

can I come eat dessert at your place?

E0b0d94cebef8ed2371d02ec2ecb5461

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:22 PM

thats impressive

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:14 PM

This also puts me right to sleep.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 14, 2011
at 09:57 PM

That jar of macadamias is 1400ish calories :)

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Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 14, 2011
at 09:55 PM

Dairy fat and macadamias. Oh boy I can eat tons and tons and tons. I can finish a 6.5 oz. jar of macadamias pretty quickly. Sometimes I put a little butter on too to make the salt stick. I wonder how many calories that is? I also eat cream like it's going out of style. I make whipped cream over berries and/or macadamias, I'll make a hot chocolate, I'll drink it straight, etc. These are expensive habits, but I do worry a bit about too much fat. I'm not gaining weight, so calories isn't a huge concern for me, but I wonder what the negative effects are.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 14, 2011
at 09:57 PM

That jar of macadamias is 1400ish calories :)

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:53 PM

I"m talking about eating thousands of calories worth of pecans, and yes I was sortof kidding.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 15, 2011
at 01:11 AM

Stabby thank god macadamias are low in pufa. Otherwise we'd both be screwed. If I did that with pecans, might as well eat soybean oil. Tasty soybean oil I guess.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:48 PM

And I would only worry about too much polyunsaturated fat. Ask Tuktuk the Inuit how much fat is too much fat. He will laugh at youu.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 14, 2011
at 11:48 PM

And I would only worry about too much polyunsaturated fat. Ask Tuktuk the Inuit how much fat is too fat. He will laugh at youu.

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:44 PM

Rob, sometimes i worry too. I know fat is healthy, but how much is too much?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:27 PM

i eat pecans. pecans have some pufa, but raw pecans cannot be compared to soybean oil. so I will assume sarcasm :)

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

(1146)

on March 14, 2011
at 11:12 PM

Same here...I consume a ton of fat, but don't gain weight, hopefully I am not doing damage in some way internally that just doesn't show up externally.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:46 PM

I just ate a bag of macadamias. 1700 calories. I win! *smug*

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 15, 2011
at 12:33 AM

1400 worthwhile reasons to consume that jar. (Kidding.) (Sort of.)

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50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on March 14, 2011
at 09:58 PM

I was just wondering this myself. For the past few nights, my dessert has consisted of 1/2 lb Raw Butter, Topped with 1/4 pint raw cream, with about 4, or 8 squares 90% lindts, and some coconut butter. It easily tops out over 200g fat.

I even went for seconds one night :/

Is this bad?

E0b0d94cebef8ed2371d02ec2ecb5461

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:22 PM

thats impressive

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Is that the raw butter and cream from OP Todd? Are you wealthy?

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 15, 2011
at 12:38 AM

^^I was wondering the same thing. I had a mental image of a big block of butter... Somehow I don't think that's what you meant.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:28 PM

I'm so afraid to even try this since it's sounds like heaven.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:14 PM

This also puts me right to sleep.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:28 PM

can I come eat dessert at your place?

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 15, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Is this all melted together, or sort of semi homogenous, kinda tossed together and cold?

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:11 PM

WOW, that's an amazing dessert.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on March 15, 2011
at 01:12 AM

@Jack, it is. I am not, sadly.. It's my 80/20 in my budget :) @Family & Mari - not melted.. butter is coarsely cubed (I keep it fairly cold), chocolate bars broken up, cream dumped on top, add cinnamon, blueberries on training days, a little maca root powder or cocoa, put in freezer for 5 min. Straight to Heaven... no joke.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:37 PM

Absolutely! lol. Except I remember you saying large amounts of fat wired you. I I can see it now, Im passed out and you're pushing your car through the parking lot. Honestly though, this barely poses a challenge anymore.. It's kind of alarming.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 15, 2011
at 12:56 AM

I fear no food I eat. I know what causes disease and it isn't any paleo foods, unless you really go hard on the high-omega 6 nuts.

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95601768ec9cb75cc3a9cbcd2271ed14

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on March 15, 2011
at 12:47 AM

The ones I worry sometimes are: dairy fat (I find myself eating more cheese & butter and drinking more milk than I ever have previously in my life of late), pork, bone marrow, higher-on-the-food-chain fish, and dark chocolate. This worry doesn't extend to eggs or beef for whatever reason. I think I would care way less about some of the other things if my finances allowed better sourcing, though.

Sometimes I wonder if some of my more shocking-to-others gorges--say using tons of butter when I cook a fatty roast, using chocolate as an edible spoon for coconut oil, adding a lot of marrow to mashed potatoes, etc is partly a childish middle finger to the "everything in moderation" mantra that is thrown around so much that it is totally meaningless and drives me bonkers. I guess alone that would be a pretty stupid motive, but there is also taste, how it makes me feel, and the nutritive value of the foods. Plus I feel like I owe my body some excesses after basically starving it for fifteen years with a vegan diet and other forms of crappy eating.

And there obviously is too much of a good thing sometimes. I have definitely had to run to the bathroom from eating more fat than my body could handle. I also had to go to the ER once from a severe electrolyte imbalance caused by what I suspect was ingesting too much coconut milk too fast. I drank a can and a half on an empty stomach one day and an hour later I was having heart palpitations, dizziness, nausea and couldn't locate a pulse on my own. My potassium level was sky high and I had to have it brought down.

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84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:31 PM

Well I often (3-5 times a week) drink a cup (240ml) of heavy cream straight up. It felt kind of naughty at the beginning but I've embraced the fat side and therefore look forward to every sip, sip, sip. Also whenever I go to buy heavy cream, I buy one extra which I drink on the way home.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 15, 2011
at 04:39 PM

now see this is exactly what i'm talking about. i completely understand Ikco. I don't really drink it by the cup, but I do take my unfair share of heavy cream. this type of behavior is what my question is all about.

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0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:09 PM

I have often thought of this too, and have at times wondered whether the over consumption of something is healthy, even though its nutrient packed. For example we know coconut oil is healthy, but when does it begin to get unhealthy? Just because it's healthy do I have permission to consume it in unlimited quantities with no ill effect. This applies to everything from cream to eggs, and butter to meat.

I'd like to think it's not detrimental because I just finished eating two whole coconuts.

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74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:26 PM

I go through two dozen eggs a week, by myself. I know that doesn't sound like much to many of you, but it's still hard for me to let go of the dietary-cholesterol-is-gonna-kill-you-dead mentality, especially since I'm not inclined to shy away from saturated fats, either (I'm also fond of spooning heaping globs of coconut butter into my mouth, sometimes using unsweetened baker's chocolate as a vehicle for it, other times straight up). I'd probably horrify my family into an early grave if they knew how I ate. =P

However, I feel great. This is the first time in my entire life I've felt good about my body rather than betrayed by it. I'm going to keep eating like this because, frankly, it makes me happy. :)

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 15, 2011
at 12:41 AM

My husband is doing the bulk of the grocery shopping this month (long story...) and after his first couple of trips I was like, "Honey, do you realize how many eggs I eat?...like...a dozen every 2-3 days..." And that's just me! Eggs are a staple for my girls, too. Don't even get me started on my husband coming home from one trip without heavy cream... :) I said, "About 70 percent of my calories each day are from fat..." He is still in the process of learning/accepting the centrality of fat in my diet.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on March 15, 2011
at 12:02 AM

Ditto! They're fast and easy and tasty as heck. I have no idea what I'd eat for breakfast without them.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on March 15, 2011
at 01:37 AM

Hah! That is awesome on so many levels. :D I love my fella and how blissfully unaware he is of nutrition. He eats when he's hungry and stops when he's full, and that's all he needs to know, as far as he's concerned. Last night, I was reading out loud to him how much fat I had eaten that day -- about 115-120g by that point, rough estimate -- and he paused and said, "Is that good?" Fat is integral to my diet, too. Love my fats!

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:34 PM

I'm in the same 2 dozen eggs a week camp. The cholesterol doesn't bother me but the idea of living with out eggs is unthinkable. That I'm so dependent on one food item bothers me.

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:05 PM

I had some butter today, not a whole lot though, to add extra fat, in addition to an entire can of coconut milk + egg protein poweder, in addition to a bit o' 100% chocolate. I had a mental fog kind of effect for about 4 hours after that, and I just wanted to nap. More fat than i ever had in one sitting. I feel good now though, and i have had lots of coconut butter before and it wasn't bad, did get nauseas from the MCTs though for 30 mins.

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on March 14, 2011
at 09:28 PM

coconut products. I feel soon I pass a few in my stool. My family can not believe ways in which I use them

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