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Add fat if having sugar to blunt/slow insulin spike? OR, is that dangerous?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM

I might be confusing and combining two different concepts, but:

To blunt the spike of sugar/insulin, is it better to add a bunch of fat to slow absorption?

For example, if I'm going to blend/vitamix an orange and banana, would it be better to add 3oz of heavy cream?

Or

Is it really bad to have high fat/protein at the same time as having high sugar?

I think I read something about high sugar (or effects thereof) damaging protein or fat or something, and making it really dangerous.

Can someone please clarify this?

I'm trying to implement the Perfect Health Diet and go with 65% fat, but am concerned.

Thanks, Mike

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on January 13, 2013
at 01:41 AM

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on January 12, 2013
at 01:35 AM

Look up carbsane. I THINK that she wrote something on this. Something to do with diabetics doing good on VHC diets or VHF diets but doing terrible when both fat and carb intake were high.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

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on January 12, 2013
at 12:11 AM

Ah, okay thanks for clarifying man.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on January 11, 2013
at 11:54 PM

A tablespoon of sugar to someone having a hypoglycemic episode would rapidly raise blood sugar in 5 minutes. However, if the same quantity of sugar is consumed with protein or fat, it's much slower.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on January 11, 2013
at 11:52 PM

I did read the PHD book and did get the concept that combining (sugar with fat/protein) would be good. I'm just trying to reconcile that with other concepts/other diets.

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on January 11, 2013
at 11:40 PM

Fat alone does not affect insulin, but adding fat to sugar makes a food hyper-palatable, which increases the insulin response.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

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on January 11, 2013
at 11:10 PM

I thought fat didn't have any effect on insulin, or if you eat fat with carbs absorption of glucose will be slowed down and you don't get the insulin spikes. Am I missing something?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on January 11, 2013
at 07:22 PM

If you read the PHD they recommend eating things in combo to increase nutrient absorption and taste. So slow cooking some bone in fatty meat over a bed of veggies and tubers would be an example of this. I would do it this way, but I still think your question speaks to your over-thinking things. If you wanna eat a bananna or apple you don't have to blend it with cream.....just eat it.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on January 11, 2013
at 07:19 PM

Well seriously whose eating 150g of starch with no fat source....I know there is some sickos on here eating plain boiled potatoes or rice or something, but they are probably also pulling their own fingernails out with a set of pliers for fun.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on January 11, 2013
at 07:09 PM

Really? Eating 600 calories of carbs alone, in one meal would cause anyone's insulin to skyrocket. How could that be a good idea? (Sorry to argue, especially since I by no means an expert, and was the one asking the question, but that sounds a bit odd). Mike

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on January 11, 2013
at 09:08 PM

I don't see the logic here, why would adding fat blunt the insulin response? The pancreas only looks at glucose levels.

Lustig even says that fat and carbs in the same meal can easily overload the liver: http://www.amazon.com/Fat-Chance-Beating-Against-Processed/dp/159463100X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357938496&sr=8-1&keywords=lustig

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on January 11, 2013
at 11:54 PM

A tablespoon of sugar to someone having a hypoglycemic episode would rapidly raise blood sugar in 5 minutes. However, if the same quantity of sugar is consumed with protein or fat, it's much slower.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on January 13, 2013
at 01:41 AM

thanks for the book suggestions; I just sent a sample to my new kindle paperwhite (which i love!)

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on January 11, 2013
at 09:04 PM

You're confusing insulin with blood sugar. Your insulin response will increase if you add fat to sugar.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

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on January 12, 2013
at 12:11 AM

Ah, okay thanks for clarifying man.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 11, 2013
at 11:40 PM

Fat alone does not affect insulin, but adding fat to sugar makes a food hyper-palatable, which increases the insulin response.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2040)

on January 11, 2013
at 11:10 PM

I thought fat didn't have any effect on insulin, or if you eat fat with carbs absorption of glucose will be slowed down and you don't get the insulin spikes. Am I missing something?

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on January 11, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Eat it all. Eat em alone, or eat em together. Manage your macros in terms of days to weeks rather than one meal at a time unless you got very specific metabolic circumstances.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on January 11, 2013
at 07:09 PM

Really? Eating 600 calories of carbs alone, in one meal would cause anyone's insulin to skyrocket. How could that be a good idea? (Sorry to argue, especially since I by no means an expert, and was the one asking the question, but that sounds a bit odd). Mike

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 11, 2013
at 07:22 PM

If you read the PHD they recommend eating things in combo to increase nutrient absorption and taste. So slow cooking some bone in fatty meat over a bed of veggies and tubers would be an example of this. I would do it this way, but I still think your question speaks to your over-thinking things. If you wanna eat a bananna or apple you don't have to blend it with cream.....just eat it.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 11, 2013
at 07:19 PM

Well seriously whose eating 150g of starch with no fat source....I know there is some sickos on here eating plain boiled potatoes or rice or something, but they are probably also pulling their own fingernails out with a set of pliers for fun.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on January 11, 2013
at 11:52 PM

I did read the PHD book and did get the concept that combining (sugar with fat/protein) would be good. I'm just trying to reconcile that with other concepts/other diets.

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