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How to reconcile the Paleo with high cholesterol, etc.

Commented on July 22, 2014
Created July 13, 2014 at 9:35 PM

I have very high cholesterol, lipids and triglycerides. I can't eat red meat or seafood. How do I reconcile this?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on July 22, 2014
at 01:05 PM

You don't like fish-schtick?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on July 22, 2014
at 12:00 AM

I'm going to re-close the question due to bad @Matt 11 and @TheGastronomer schtick.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 21, 2014
at 08:33 PM

Ella the salmon, makes sense to me.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on July 21, 2014
at 08:08 PM

I hear it comes with salmonella....a salmonella is a female salmon, right? Gotta stay pescetarian.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 21, 2014
at 08:00 PM

If that floats your boat, sure. Does it come with some penicillin wasbi?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on July 21, 2014
at 03:04 PM

If chicken is fish....can I make raw chicken sushi roll?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 21, 2014
at 02:53 PM

If there's a chicken of the sea, why not a fish of the land?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on July 21, 2014
at 01:05 PM

so according to dummies, you are not a Pescetarian, but at pesco pollo vegetarian -- I'm not too far off, I'm a Bos lacto ovo pesco pollo vegetarian

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on July 21, 2014
at 12:47 PM

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-different-kinds-of-vegetarians.html

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on July 21, 2014
at 12:45 PM

I am very familiar with pescetarians, they eat fish. Is chicken a fish?

I think you might be retarded....

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on July 21, 2014
at 12:38 PM

Prescetarian is the practice of following a diet that includes fish or other seafood, but not the flesh of other animals.(from wiki)

It is not vegetarian, it does not include chicken.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on July 21, 2014
at 12:36 PM

You said, "That is just 1 mo. of NO red meat and salads and exercise" -- you didn't say that you took a statin. If you want to make statements of efficacy, control for variables. That's like saying I stopped drinking milk and my headache went away. Not because of the tylenol I took.

0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

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on July 21, 2014
at 12:29 PM

yes, we're called Prescetarian.

Btw, it seems to me that not being able to accept another concept or "think outside the box" is more an example of brain damage or dysfunction.

0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

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on July 21, 2014
at 12:24 PM

Agreed, TC should be around 200. That's the Lipitor, which I quit taking. But I found that TC or TriG or HDL or LDL alone are not important. The inflammation you have is. Divide HDL by TC ( >24%)and TriG by HDL( <2). Those are the true numbers.

Btw, you closed this question for being argumentative, but what I see are folks trying argue my beliefs with me and disparage me.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on July 21, 2014
at 12:17 PM

"be a veggitarian who eats ( wild Sea)fish and ( farm raised, organic)chicken" - CCHGN

So fish and chicken are vegetables?

Looks like your new diet is giving you the brain damage....

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on July 21, 2014
at 03:11 AM

Shorter life-span from eating lard? And you say you've been paleo for 2 years? Don't buy it.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on July 21, 2014
at 02:00 AM

I'd be far more concerned with a TC of 108 than I would 248.

0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

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on July 20, 2014
at 10:46 PM

well, there's more red meat than grass fed beef. Look at the Paleo recipes, they're full of bacon and pork chops, animal fat and egg yokes, etc.

Btw, I bought the Paleo diet 2 yrs ago and was asked to come over here.

The issue here is how the body processes fat and Cholesterol. I've learned that our bodies NEED ( good) cholesterol and all cells makes it( except the brain cells,,,hmmm, I wonder why that is?). The problem is Inflammation. When there's inflammation, Cholesterol sticks to try and repair it and it hardens and clogs the arteries.

DR ADKINS DIED OF CLOGGED ARTERIES...just sayin'

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on July 20, 2014
at 10:16 PM

How about you slide on over to the website "Vegetarians who eats wild fish & organic chicken" and leave the grass fed beef for the people on PaleoHacks?

Or if you really think red meat is bad for you maybe you're too 'convinced' / close minded to accept alternative information?

But if you think you might be able to objectively read about alternative point of view, here's an engineer / MD / athlete who has diddled his diet to lose fat & improve health

http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/is-red-meat-killing-us

http://eatingacademy.com/cholesterol-2/the-straigh...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 20, 2014
at 10:04 PM

How about you lose weight, eat veggies and exercise without dropping the red meat? You didn't control variables, you cannot blame the red meat.

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on July 20, 2014
at 09:00 PM

Well, new test: total Cholesterol 108, triglycerides 41, HDL 31 LDL 49. After much research more accurate tests: Divide total Cholesterol by HDL: >24% and divide triglycerides by HDL= <2. Mine are 28% and 1.3. I need to raise my HDL. That is just 1 mo. of NO red meat and salads and exercise( dropped 10lb, 20lb to go). My original question still stands. I cannot reconcile the Paleo diet to a healthy body. I need, for me, to be a veggitarian who eats ( wild Sea)fish and ( farm raised, organic)chicken.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on July 20, 2014
at 06:46 PM

Sounds like your diet is killing you, bummer. You gotta figure it out for yourself.

My cholesterol is 252, my triglycerides are 82. Are you trigs really that high? Typo? Are you fat couch potato?

I'm down from 220 to 190 for 18 months.

My internist doesn't want to see me for a year & she says....keep doing what you're doing.

Sounds like you're doing something wrong. I eat grassfed beef at least 5 times a week, I seldom eat bacon (once a week?) and I never eat grains or processed foods.

YMMV ...well actually it appears that it does. :(

0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

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on July 15, 2014
at 12:47 AM

To make two different ideas exist together.

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on July 15, 2014
at 12:22 AM

define reconcile

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on July 14, 2014
at 11:15 PM

Triglycerides at 657 and you're blaming the red meat and bacon? Wow your so lost it's not even funny. Look if you really want to get those triglycerides down stop eating so much bread, pasta, pizza, rice, potatoes, cereal and chips/crackers. And drop the cakes, candy, cookies, muffins, sodas, beer, sugary fruit juice and ice cream while you're at it. And quit snacking so damn much, it's 3 meals a day tops, not 10.

You should go ahead and try that for 6 months before talking shit about real food like steak and pork.

0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

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on July 14, 2014
at 06:45 PM

Nope, I'm not a kid, I'm 55 yrs old and have had the Paleo diet for 2 yrs,. I'm not here to argue, but I'm not gonna tolerate you patronizing me and talking down to me.

One thing you overlooked was that the average lifespan back then was 60 yrs, too, mostly from eating all that lard. Folks were old at 50. Folks were dying from pneumonia, etc. Folks just took death in stride, as almost everything was deadly.

.Folks come to the Paleo diet because of the mess the got themselves into, that should be a given.

I think my question is legitimate.

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on July 14, 2014
at 04:19 PM

Janknitz is completely right, but here are some articles if you feel like reading.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive...

http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayinhealth/choles...

As you can see, this information has even made it into the mainstream.

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on July 14, 2014
at 05:44 PM

"Wow, so ALL those people dying every day of strokes, heart attacks and clogged arteries and obesity and sedimentary lifestyle, etc are myths perpetuated by the medical community? "

Until very recently in human history (just a few generations) there were no industrially processed oils, people ate only real, whole foods, especially meat and seafood, nose to tail. Nothing went to waste--every scrap of fat, skin, offal and meat was consumed. Dairy was always full fat. Vegetables and fruit were only available in their seasons and typically eaten with fat. Hardly anybody was a vegetarian (if so they consumed eggs, dairy, seafood), nobody was vegan. Yet heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and neuro degenerative diseases were exceedingly RARE. It is not meat and seafood causing "clogged arteries", heart attack and stroke although the sedentary (not "sedimentary"--that's a type of rock) lifestyle is certainly a factor.

My guess is you have been following the conventional wisdom all your life and this is where it's gotten you--terrible cholesterol profile. You didn't get there eating pastured red meat and wild caught fish, plus natural fats and organic veggies. You ate mostly packaged low fat dreck to have a profile like that. A lot of good it has done you.

All you seem to believe is the conventional wisdom you've been spoon fed--did you come to learn something about Paleo or to argue?

0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

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on July 14, 2014
at 06:45 PM

Nope, I'm not a kid, I'm 55 yrs old and have had the Paleo diet for 2 yrs,. I'm not here to argue, but I'm not gonna tolerate you patronizing me and talking down to me.

One thing you overlooked was that the average lifespan back then was 60 yrs, too, mostly from eating all that lard. Folks were old at 50. Folks were dying from pneumonia, etc. Folks just took death in stride, as almost everything was deadly.

.Folks come to the Paleo diet because of the mess the got themselves into, that should be a given.

I think my question is legitimate.

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0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

on July 14, 2014
at 04:31 PM

Wow, so ALL those people dying every day of strokes, heart attacks and clogged arteries and obesity and sedimentary lifestyle, etc are myths perpetuated by the medical community? Hmm,

I have blood work done every 6 mo : Full lipid panel and HGB A1C and comprehensive metabolic panel. My Cholesterol is 248, my triglycerides is 657, my bad HDL is way high, good LDL way low. IT'S FROM EATING TOO MUCH RED MEAT, INCLUDING BACON AND PORK CHOPS AND PROCESSED FOODS, etc Btw, Shellfish is very high in Cholesterol, too.

Another thing I 've learned is that inflammation is what causes cholesterol to attach to your arteries and form plaque. Anything burnt or browned, including seared meat, baked good muffins, cookies, etc.

My question is, I see alot of the recipes calls for bacon and alot of meats. How does the Paleo diet reconcile with folks like myself?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on July 14, 2014
at 11:15 PM

Triglycerides at 657 and you're blaming the red meat and bacon? Wow your so lost it's not even funny. Look if you really want to get those triglycerides down stop eating so much bread, pasta, pizza, rice, potatoes, cereal and chips/crackers. And drop the cakes, candy, cookies, muffins, sodas, beer, sugary fruit juice and ice cream while you're at it. And quit snacking so damn much, it's 3 meals a day tops, not 10.

You should go ahead and try that for 6 months before talking shit about real food like steak and pork.

0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

(0)

on July 20, 2014
at 10:46 PM

well, there's more red meat than grass fed beef. Look at the Paleo recipes, they're full of bacon and pork chops, animal fat and egg yokes, etc.

Btw, I bought the Paleo diet 2 yrs ago and was asked to come over here.

The issue here is how the body processes fat and Cholesterol. I've learned that our bodies NEED ( good) cholesterol and all cells makes it( except the brain cells,,,hmmm, I wonder why that is?). The problem is Inflammation. When there's inflammation, Cholesterol sticks to try and repair it and it hardens and clogs the arteries.

DR ADKINS DIED OF CLOGGED ARTERIES...just sayin'

0516b5deee41383c6509110d1cc46fa7

(0)

on July 20, 2014
at 09:00 PM

Well, new test: total Cholesterol 108, triglycerides 41, HDL 31 LDL 49. After much research more accurate tests: Divide total Cholesterol by HDL: >24% and divide triglycerides by HDL= <2. Mine are 28% and 1.3. I need to raise my HDL. That is just 1 mo. of NO red meat and salads and exercise( dropped 10lb, 20lb to go). My original question still stands. I cannot reconcile the Paleo diet to a healthy body. I need, for me, to be a veggitarian who eats ( wild Sea)fish and ( farm raised, organic)chicken.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on July 20, 2014
at 06:46 PM

Sounds like your diet is killing you, bummer. You gotta figure it out for yourself.

My cholesterol is 252, my triglycerides are 82. Are you trigs really that high? Typo? Are you fat couch potato?

I'm down from 220 to 190 for 18 months.

My internist doesn't want to see me for a year & she says....keep doing what you're doing.

Sounds like you're doing something wrong. I eat grassfed beef at least 5 times a week, I seldom eat bacon (once a week?) and I never eat grains or processed foods.

YMMV ...well actually it appears that it does. :(

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on July 14, 2014
at 03:37 PM

What, exactly, does "high cholesterol and lipids" mean in YOUR case? High total cholesterol is meaningless on its own because it's simply a measure of multiple factors inclduing large and small LDL and HDL. Low HDL is not good, even if it keeps your total cholesterol is low, while a "high" total cholesterol due to a higher HDL is desireable. "High" LDL is not necessarily bad, depending on your age and particle size, plus the true NUMBER of LDL particles (LDL-P) vs. a calculation of LDL (LDL-C) based on a formula that is not necessarily accurate, depending on other circumstances. So the term "high cholesterol and lipids" is meaningless without knowing more. And treating "high cholesterol and lipids" without knowing more is crazy--but our medical establshment does it every day.

As for triglycerides, they are a better predictor of risk than "high cholesterol and lipids" and they are directly related to your carbohydrate intake. So you need to lower the carbs in your diet, especially added sugars of any kind, even "natural sugars" from honey, maple syrup, and the various so-called paleo-approved sources like coconut sugar. Keep fruits and starchy vegetables to reasonable amounts, and of course eliminate grains and refined sugars. When those are in line, your triglycerides WILL come down. Savvy physicians who use whole food diets use triglyceride numbers to see if their patients are being compliant with lowering excess carbohydrate intake--there is a direct correlation.

You don't state WHY you can't eat meat or seafood. If it's because you think it will further raise your "high cholesterol and lipids", you (or the doctor so advising you) are mistaken. Dietary intake of cholesterol has little negative effect on blood cholesterol, but good, clean sources of pastured meat and wild caught fish can have a BENEFICIAL effect by increasing HDL and increasing particle size of LDL. If you avoid red meat and seafood for allergies or reliigious reasons, that's different, of course. In either case, you can get HEALTHY, natural fats and protein from eggs, dairy, fowl, nuts and seeds. Aim for pastured sources for optimal nutrition and to limit toxins. Whether you can/choose to eat red meat and seafood or not is a personal question, but in either case, the paleo diet "reconciles" perfectly with building a healthy lipid profile.

Above all, you must avoid so-called "heart healthy" industrially processed oils, as they DO contribute to inflammation and heart disease--no soy oil, vegetable oil, canola or safflower--even though they do have the effect of lowering LDL cholesterol. Your numbers may look good while your health suffers. Choose olive oil or coconut oil instead.

If you don't know the breakdown of your own "high cholesterol and lipids" it's time to learn what it's all about and what it really means. Read, read, read critically and think what it means for YOU, not statistics and numbers put out by drug companies marketing to your doctor.

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on July 14, 2014
at 01:26 AM

Serum lipids have little to do with diet. Odd/aberrant serum lipids are indicative of metabolic disorder.

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