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Very interesting docu about HG tribes (German)

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 07, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Unfortunately, only for German speakers. They talk about their lifestyle and also mention the foods they eat. Crocodile meat, insects, worms, sago,... not sure I could eat all of that ;)

And to make this a question: I know appearance doesn't necessarily reflect health but I have to say that most of them don't look to good to me. What do you think about them, do you think this is the natural human appearance?

Seems Lyle McDonald has a point when he asks "would you like to look like one of them?"

Here's the link: http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/1306-Newton/episodes/2558311-Newton

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on January 20, 2012
at 06:36 PM

The show is called Newton and it's on ORF 1 or 2 but I don't think you can watch it online anymore.

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on June 30, 2011
at 12:21 PM

To be fair the land that these HG live on would be a far cry from the land 20000 years ago, which IMO would make their lives a lot harder than their/our ancestors.

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on June 30, 2011
at 05:54 AM

Thanks, CaveDad, that's a great answer! The Distended bellies that nearly everyone had were the thing that "bothered" me. You're right, besides that they're quite lean and somewhat muuscular :)

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on June 30, 2011
at 01:23 AM

Firstly, I'm not "afraid" of any such thing. It is simply not the kind of person I choose to be (not to say that I am not at times since I'm a flawed human being). To equate preference/choice of what's right for you with a feeling of superiority reflects an incorrect understanding of elitism. As much as I would love to get into a semantic debate, I don't think it is very fruitful when it is all said and done. Again, to each their own.

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on June 30, 2011
at 01:06 AM

i think you should not be afraid of being an "elitist" - you become one just by choosing a certain mode of action or a way of thinking over their respective alternatives: eating 'paleo' rather than SAD (or whatever it can be called) makes you an 'elitist' either in your own right (by knowing what is better, and doing what is better = you are becoming a better one yourself = elite) or in the eyes of all the rest ("he thinks he knows better" = "he thinks he is better than the rest of us"): being an 'elitist' in one way or another is unavoidable - so, why don't we just accept it, and enjoy it?

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on June 30, 2011
at 12:45 AM

...the toxic food environment that has led the deterioration of our health vis-a-vis modern foods. Again, I don't want to be a hunter and gatherer. I also don't want to be an elitist, judgmental modernist. To each their own. Believe it or not, I do respect your right to an opinion, I just disagree with it. Regards, AB

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on June 30, 2011
at 12:33 AM

...the toxic food environment that has led the deterioration of our health vis-a-vis modern foods. Again, I don't want to be a hunter and gatherer. I also don't want to be an elitist, judgmental modernist. To each their own. Believe it or not, I do respect your right to an opinion, I just disagree with it. Regards, AB

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on June 30, 2011
at 12:31 AM

Every one is entitled to their own opinion - the beauty of being a member of a free society. I vehemently disagree with yours. I do not in anyway subscribe to some romantic fantasy of HGs or paleolithic humans living in some utopic state and aspire to live their life. I similarly do not subscribe to the naturalist fallacy that nature is beautiful....yes it is beautiful and it is trying to kill you (to quote KGH). But to conclude HGs are mostly savages is ridiculous. Moreover our highly sophisticated, cultured, modern existence has brought innumerable social injustices and...

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on June 29, 2011
at 09:14 PM

Their "looks" are part of genetic adaptation. I'm sure they look just wonderful to each other, hence the obvious kid production.

What I see when I watch the video is a lot of lean muscle and healthy teeth (how else you going to munch that sago?).

Also, keep in mind that an HG tribe that is living without modern medicine is going to experience health issues regardless of diet. Distended bellies could be the result of worm infestations or even malnourishment (from drought, bad hunting trips, lack of variety).

They are also living much harder lives then we can imagine. It is a touch naive to think that our HG ancestors were bronze statuesque muscle bound fashion models. They were likely haggard, scarred, and dirty.

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on June 30, 2011
at 05:54 AM

Thanks, CaveDad, that's a great answer! The Distended bellies that nearly everyone had were the thing that "bothered" me. You're right, besides that they're quite lean and somewhat muuscular :)

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on June 30, 2011
at 05:15 AM

Thanks for the link- definitely a very interesting video-

What struck me was how the tribes really valued their protein sources- for example how in one tribe 'the pigs are considered part of the family and sleep with them until slaughtered' (very rough translation) and the celbrations seem to be centered around protein (I almost wonder if they picked that fight in order to have something to celebrate and 'pig out' afterwards with their neighbors (pun intended!).

Also interesting that women and children would be given the internal organs- in modern society we might consider those the worst oprts, but since they are the most nutrient dense it makes sense to me if you want to invest in future generations.

I think that this is not "the" natural human appearance, but it is a variation thereof... I wouldn't mind the natural tendency towards lean and muscular, but without all of the issues caused by physical trauma, burns and the apparent moderate fat and protein deficiences of some of these tribes.

I don't think there is one human appearance- just like the finches on neighboring islands that developed towards different body shapes, sizes and beak types depending upon the diet that was avaiable to them, I think their physical forms are a manifestation of the potential limits/challenges of their diets and lifestyles. It is noticeable that they typically all are pretty well muscled and have good teeth (other than the guide who left the tribe for civilization and has about 2 teeth left), but the short stature and a couple of other issues of the last group speaks to several potential deficiencies...

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on January 20, 2012
at 05:13 PM

Do you now the name of the tv show. im german speaking and the link is going to an 404 site.

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on January 20, 2012
at 06:36 PM

The show is called Newton and it's on ORF 1 or 2 but I don't think you can watch it online anymore.

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on June 29, 2011
at 10:42 PM

there is no way i can take any of the current HG tribes as an example of how i personally should eat and live my life in general: : :

let's be honest: modern HGs are just third world savages (mostly) living in terrible conditions, and leading uncivilized / uncultured / unsophisticated life - - - 'paleo' is purely a theoretical concept of romanticized 'prehistoric' past, and the less it resembles real people the better!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on June 30, 2011
at 12:45 AM

...the toxic food environment that has led the deterioration of our health vis-a-vis modern foods. Again, I don't want to be a hunter and gatherer. I also don't want to be an elitist, judgmental modernist. To each their own. Believe it or not, I do respect your right to an opinion, I just disagree with it. Regards, AB

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on June 30, 2011
at 12:31 AM

Every one is entitled to their own opinion - the beauty of being a member of a free society. I vehemently disagree with yours. I do not in anyway subscribe to some romantic fantasy of HGs or paleolithic humans living in some utopic state and aspire to live their life. I similarly do not subscribe to the naturalist fallacy that nature is beautiful....yes it is beautiful and it is trying to kill you (to quote KGH). But to conclude HGs are mostly savages is ridiculous. Moreover our highly sophisticated, cultured, modern existence has brought innumerable social injustices and...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on June 30, 2011
at 12:33 AM

...the toxic food environment that has led the deterioration of our health vis-a-vis modern foods. Again, I don't want to be a hunter and gatherer. I also don't want to be an elitist, judgmental modernist. To each their own. Believe it or not, I do respect your right to an opinion, I just disagree with it. Regards, AB

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on June 30, 2011
at 12:21 PM

To be fair the land that these HG live on would be a far cry from the land 20000 years ago, which IMO would make their lives a lot harder than their/our ancestors.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on June 30, 2011
at 01:23 AM

Firstly, I'm not "afraid" of any such thing. It is simply not the kind of person I choose to be (not to say that I am not at times since I'm a flawed human being). To equate preference/choice of what's right for you with a feeling of superiority reflects an incorrect understanding of elitism. As much as I would love to get into a semantic debate, I don't think it is very fruitful when it is all said and done. Again, to each their own.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:06 AM

i think you should not be afraid of being an "elitist" - you become one just by choosing a certain mode of action or a way of thinking over their respective alternatives: eating 'paleo' rather than SAD (or whatever it can be called) makes you an 'elitist' either in your own right (by knowing what is better, and doing what is better = you are becoming a better one yourself = elite) or in the eyes of all the rest ("he thinks he knows better" = "he thinks he is better than the rest of us"): being an 'elitist' in one way or another is unavoidable - so, why don't we just accept it, and enjoy it?

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