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The Corn Sugar/HFCS Debate - What do you think about this article from Dr Miller?

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Created June 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM

This is an article on the corn industry's push to "educate consumers" by changing of the name of HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) to "Corn Sugar".

The author is a Dr Henry I Miller, a physician/molecular biologist and a fellow at Stanford University???s Hoover Institution. He is basically saying that he agrees with the new name designation because he sees no real metabolic difference between different types of natural sugars.

In fact, the subtitle of the article is: "Vilified high fructose corn syrup no different from other sugar."

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http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/sugar-355411-corn-hfcs.html

Do you agree or disagree?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on June 28, 2012
at 06:54 PM

Actually, I took offense at your "better-than-thou" comment. Many people land here out of desperation to heal their bodies. The amount of sugar consumed in the SAD is detrimental to health. So, you will find that a large number of PHers are very anti-sugar, regardless of what the corn industry wants to call it.

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on June 28, 2012
at 04:45 PM

Bad attitude? This isn't about discourse. If you read the previous replies such as: "they are both shite." or the top rated answer: "The next study they should do: What is worse getting run over by a bus or a semi-truck? Then you'd understand why I posted this. Read next time, and maybe your nerves will catch a break.

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on June 28, 2012
at 04:07 PM

great point trjones

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:51 PM

There is nothing wrong with discourse. If you don't like it, don't read it. Your bad attitude gets on my nerves. Who is right? Neither. We are both entitled to our opinion.

61c1efcc482019e016c45270b18c7453

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:28 PM

A few years ago I use to think HFCS wasn't bad for you because I thought it was the same fructose you get from fruit. Boy was I wrong.

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:27 PM

Excellent point. For me it's less about the nutrition (though the health concerns are massive) and more about the industry that's set up to keep people consuming ever-increasing amounts corn and soy.

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I would say that's an insult to shite.

61c1efcc482019e016c45270b18c7453

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Very true. It's interesting to see that "low-fat" version of regular foods contain the same amount, if not more, calories. They end up replacing the "bad" fat with a lot more sugar to make up for the taste.

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:08 PM

Exactly. Even *if* they're no different, that doesn't make 'em *good!* That just means they're equally *bad!*

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4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:16 PM

I don't think the problem with HFCS has ever been that it's quantitatively worse than sugar, but that the industrial forces behind it have allowed it to become ubiquitous in processed foods in a way that sugar can't really be. So in that sense, I don't think that the article, or the push to rename HFCS makes any difference to the actual problem with HFCS in our foods (well, maybe not "our" foods, but industrial foods).

4b05d725a8332e8e917a4ca58b6e8a1e

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:27 PM

Excellent point. For me it's less about the nutrition (though the health concerns are massive) and more about the industry that's set up to keep people consuming ever-increasing amounts corn and soy.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on June 28, 2012
at 04:07 PM

great point trjones

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:17 PM

There is some evidence that makes me think HFCS could be worse (metabolically) than refined sugar. I avoid HFCS like the plague. See this question: http://paleohacks.com/questions/120820/high-fructose-corn-syrup-worse-than-we-thought#axzz1z6MKDe00 A tiny bit of sugar in my dark chocolate ain't gonna kill me. But, yes they are both bad.

Interesting that by 1977, HFCS replaced sugar in sodas and started creeping into everything else. By the late seventies/early eighties the obesity epidemic took off. I tend to blame the low fat doctrine/products that started around then. Or maybe it was a perfect storm of multiple factors: low fat/HFCS/cable tv and video games. Also the news media fear mongering that led to parents being too afraid to let their kids go out and play.

61c1efcc482019e016c45270b18c7453

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Very true. It's interesting to see that "low-fat" version of regular foods contain the same amount, if not more, calories. They end up replacing the "bad" fat with a lot more sugar to make up for the taste.

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:03 PM

The next study they should do: What is worse getting run over by a bus or a semi-truck?

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:08 PM

Exactly. Even *if* they're no different, that doesn't make 'em *good!* That just means they're equally *bad!*

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Afc0b8e755ac7cdde6b517fdadb50026

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:00 PM

they are both shite.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I would say that's an insult to shite.

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F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:24 PM

Semantics. I'm sure if you renamed it corn sugar, because sugar is already known by everybody to be bad, that the forces against HFCS could just make sure that the qualifier "corn" appended to the bad word "sugar" means it's even worse. Then the industry would have to come up with another name, or maybe even go back to high fructose corn syrup. After all, "fructose" sounds like fruit, which is good, right?

61c1efcc482019e016c45270b18c7453

(645)

on June 28, 2012
at 03:28 PM

A few years ago I use to think HFCS wasn't bad for you because I thought it was the same fructose you get from fruit. Boy was I wrong.

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61c1efcc482019e016c45270b18c7453

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:19 PM

I don't see why we have to consider sugar this big evil boogey man, and vilify anybody that eats it. I think that's the problem that most people have with the portion of the population that is on Paleo, and to some extent those that Crossfit as well.

If you don't agree with the Paleo/Crossfit thinking that means you're stuck in the stone-age (ironic expression right?) and aren't forward thinking enough. Yes, the typical American/European diet isn't optimal for a lot of people, and they don't know it. But guess what? There are people that eat sugar and live until their 90, and they also don't exercise.

Do what you think is best for you and keep your opinion to yourself when other people decide to eat something that to them tastes good. As long as you're happy and they're happy it's all that matters. Completely off-topic I know, but this better-than-thou attitude is really starting to get on my nerves.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 28, 2012
at 03:51 PM

There is nothing wrong with discourse. If you don't like it, don't read it. Your bad attitude gets on my nerves. Who is right? Neither. We are both entitled to our opinion.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 28, 2012
at 06:54 PM

Actually, I took offense at your "better-than-thou" comment. Many people land here out of desperation to heal their bodies. The amount of sugar consumed in the SAD is detrimental to health. So, you will find that a large number of PHers are very anti-sugar, regardless of what the corn industry wants to call it.

61c1efcc482019e016c45270b18c7453

(645)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:45 PM

Bad attitude? This isn't about discourse. If you read the previous replies such as: "they are both shite." or the top rated answer: "The next study they should do: What is worse getting run over by a bus or a semi-truck? Then you'd understand why I posted this. Read next time, and maybe your nerves will catch a break.

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on June 28, 2012
at 03:45 PM

Not to mention flavor...HFCS doesn't taste like much, other than sweet...other sweeteners (honey, maple syrup, brown sugar), to me, are just more appealing if I "must" have something sweet.

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