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Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 04, 2013 at 2:50 PM

TO THE BEST THERE IS

I've spoke to DH about boxing on paleo including PWO recovery, how to lose fat etc is all understood. And I generally get the idea of how paleo works what to eat.

My problem is I crave bad sugary foods after a great wholesome filling meal, even when I KNOW I am fully satiated. CAUSING ME TO OVER OVER-EAT.

I am a boxer so this is more and more worrying and very stressful for me NOT TO MENTION (MASSIVELY DETRIMENTAL TO MY SPORTING PERFORMANCE) knowing the health damaging effects and the weight gain effects, ( being in a strict weight class sport).

HOW DO I STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING IT IS RUINING MY EFFORTS AND PROLONGING MY PROGRESSION ONTO PALEO AND IS DRIVING ME AROUND UP THE WALL.

WITH THAT IS MAKING ME VERY DEPRESSED MAKING ME FEEL VERY SAD , NOT TO MENTION BLOATED ANGRY SICK FAT AND MORE.

AND YOU KBOW WHAT HAPPENS TO US WHEN THIS STARTS... DEPRESSIVE EATING.. VISCOUS CIRCLE PEOPLE!

Due to this I am becoming very aggressive , I've tried and tried but the power of crave seems to just temporarily erase all my knowledge and known feelings of what gluten sugar and wheat feels like,( I know how it makes me feel- very physically ILL ETC. But my god damn body still craves it! CAN I ASK... WHY!?!?!?!???

can anybody help WORDS WOULDNT BE ABLE TO START HOW MUCH ANY HELP TIPS OR EXPLAINED ANSWER WOULD MEAN TO ME,

COUNTING ON ALL GODS OF THIS FORUM ...

Massive respect for your time...

Hope to communicate soon

Jake

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

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on March 05, 2013
at 08:06 AM

Listening yo yourself cannot be beaten, as what workd for one does not always work for the other. We have grown up in a society now where we are forced what to eat and what to do and how , people should just do what they feels best to! Thanks for your comment

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

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on March 04, 2013
at 10:19 PM

It isn't uncommon to not be hungry after workout. Sometimes it is actually a good idea to fast for up to an hour after a meal in order to maximize natural GH secretion, which could be stunted by a large meal. Sometimes it's best to listen to your body even if it goes against what you have heard.

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 10:13 PM

Thanks for your comment, well this is it I thought I was eating enough but I am obviously not! So U mean if U eat a good diet but U miss post workout carb that is the trigger for bad cravings? That's interesting! Because sometimes I dont eat after a workout, I dont get hungry? Which will seem odd to who ever is reading this, as the sport is really taxing on your body. Thanks for your comment

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:59 PM

Thanks again bud I'll let you know how I do! Good luck to you .

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:44 PM

so just give it time and that will pass, just don't give in! There is light at the other end of the tunnel!

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:43 PM

You can click the up arrows next to my comments and next to my original post, thanks! Over time you may find that you are able to reduce the amount of carbs you are eating, as you become more fat adapted, but even then you might still need to be eating more carbs than the average caveman, simply because boxing requires a ton of energy. You will have to feel it out as you go through the process. Just stick with the paleo eating habits and you will eventually settle into a nice groove. The carb withdrawl or "carb flu" as it's often called, is probably just exaggerating your situation..

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

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on March 04, 2013
at 07:18 PM

Thankyou so much Jake , you have cleared things up for me! I would have to eat a hell lot of veg to get a high carb diet is TRUE, thankyou for taking your time in replying, how do I give U praise or brownie points on here mate!!!?

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 06:56 PM

Add in more fruit, and maybe an extra sweet potato. But also keep your fat high, preferably through grass-fed beef/butter, pastured eggs, free range chicken, fatty fish, such as wild caught Alaskan salmon. You are probably experiencing symptoms of carb withdrawl coupled with depleted glycogen, which is enough to make anyone crave junk, you body is hungry!

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 06:53 PM

Alright, well it seems to me that you are simply not providing your body with enough fuel for all of the exercise that you do. In addition, since you are very new to Paleo, your body is not yet able to efficiently convert the fat you are eating to the energy it needs, especially since you are burning so much during the day. Boxing is an extremely taxing sport and is going to require you to eat a lot of food. If you are serious about sticking with Paleo, then you are going to need to make the transition more gradual. You are definitely going to need to up you carb intake.

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 05:16 PM

Sorry for the delay, I will comment shortly.

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

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on March 04, 2013
at 05:04 PM

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on March 04, 2013
at 04:44 PM

Where'd you get the idea that low carb would be good for a boxer? With all of that glycogen depletion you'd be much better off with a more balanced diet.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on March 04, 2013
at 03:59 PM

It's not an extract, it's a mineral. Go for the capsules. I like these: http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Magnesium-Citrate-180-Softgels/22552

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:34 PM

Any specific extract strength? Will give it a try

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:31 PM

Veg contains no carbs!

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:30 PM

Basically hard work, I think veg does not contain enough calories for my sporting needs and activity levels. How can I get more calories from carbohydrates without using starch veg as I like to have this after training, unless it is useful also before training. Can I go straight on to lots of fat if im not fat adapted as I have only just started. Past eating habits lots of wholemeal bread , didn't really eat that bad before I turned to paleo , meaning I didnt have crumpets croissants white bread bagels crisps muffins etc

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:26 PM

morning workout can consist of a 30 minute jog then shadow boxing for maybe 3 or 4 rounds can vary, then heavy bag work at least 5 rounds can vary but all mostly fast hard work, stretches that's morning workout done. Then training again later in the day that would be different , sport specific partner stuff, sparring - all types of boxing training working out hard including cslisthenics

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

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on March 04, 2013
at 03:24 PM

Thanks. My diet at the moment is mainly green veggies and eggs , sweet potato post workout sometimes rice so I dont get bored of just potato, I eat fat (today I have ate 4 ounces of Californian almonds in one sitting= feels like a binge? That Contained about 50grams fat. I do eat fat, just trying to lose last couple of kgs for boxing, so laying off the fat so to speak. Training is boxing training everyday

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B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

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on March 04, 2013
at 03:07 PM

Let's start with some information... can you outline what your diet looks like, as well as your workout routine and schedule? Might not be a bad idea to include some background information yourself, you past eating habits, etc.

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 05:16 PM

Sorry for the delay, I will comment shortly.

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 05:04 PM

????????????????????

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:43 PM

You can click the up arrows next to my comments and next to my original post, thanks! Over time you may find that you are able to reduce the amount of carbs you are eating, as you become more fat adapted, but even then you might still need to be eating more carbs than the average caveman, simply because boxing requires a ton of energy. You will have to feel it out as you go through the process. Just stick with the paleo eating habits and you will eventually settle into a nice groove. The carb withdrawl or "carb flu" as it's often called, is probably just exaggerating your situation..

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:30 PM

Basically hard work, I think veg does not contain enough calories for my sporting needs and activity levels. How can I get more calories from carbohydrates without using starch veg as I like to have this after training, unless it is useful also before training. Can I go straight on to lots of fat if im not fat adapted as I have only just started. Past eating habits lots of wholemeal bread , didn't really eat that bad before I turned to paleo , meaning I didnt have crumpets croissants white bread bagels crisps muffins etc

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:18 PM

Thankyou so much Jake , you have cleared things up for me! I would have to eat a hell lot of veg to get a high carb diet is TRUE, thankyou for taking your time in replying, how do I give U praise or brownie points on here mate!!!?

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:26 PM

morning workout can consist of a 30 minute jog then shadow boxing for maybe 3 or 4 rounds can vary, then heavy bag work at least 5 rounds can vary but all mostly fast hard work, stretches that's morning workout done. Then training again later in the day that would be different , sport specific partner stuff, sparring - all types of boxing training working out hard including cslisthenics

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:59 PM

Thanks again bud I'll let you know how I do! Good luck to you .

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:44 PM

so just give it time and that will pass, just don't give in! There is light at the other end of the tunnel!

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 06:53 PM

Alright, well it seems to me that you are simply not providing your body with enough fuel for all of the exercise that you do. In addition, since you are very new to Paleo, your body is not yet able to efficiently convert the fat you are eating to the energy it needs, especially since you are burning so much during the day. Boxing is an extremely taxing sport and is going to require you to eat a lot of food. If you are serious about sticking with Paleo, then you are going to need to make the transition more gradual. You are definitely going to need to up you carb intake.

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:24 PM

Thanks. My diet at the moment is mainly green veggies and eggs , sweet potato post workout sometimes rice so I dont get bored of just potato, I eat fat (today I have ate 4 ounces of Californian almonds in one sitting= feels like a binge? That Contained about 50grams fat. I do eat fat, just trying to lose last couple of kgs for boxing, so laying off the fat so to speak. Training is boxing training everyday

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:31 PM

Veg contains no carbs!

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 06:56 PM

Add in more fruit, and maybe an extra sweet potato. But also keep your fat high, preferably through grass-fed beef/butter, pastured eggs, free range chicken, fatty fish, such as wild caught Alaskan salmon. You are probably experiencing symptoms of carb withdrawl coupled with depleted glycogen, which is enough to make anyone crave junk, you body is hungry!

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on March 04, 2013
at 09:26 PM

You said you're having "wholesome filling meals" but are you eating enough healthy carbs to support your activity level? I find if I'm working out hard and don't eat enough carbs post workout that I start to crave sugars and non-paleo carbs even if I stuff myself with proteins, veggies, and fats.

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 10:13 PM

Thanks for your comment, well this is it I thought I was eating enough but I am obviously not! So U mean if U eat a good diet but U miss post workout carb that is the trigger for bad cravings? That's interesting! Because sometimes I dont eat after a workout, I dont get hungry? Which will seem odd to who ever is reading this, as the sport is really taxing on your body. Thanks for your comment

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 05, 2013
at 08:06 AM

Listening yo yourself cannot be beaten, as what workd for one does not always work for the other. We have grown up in a society now where we are forced what to eat and what to do and how , people should just do what they feels best to! Thanks for your comment

B36bbab16837fe6d60eb2b5a49a561ed

(314)

on March 04, 2013
at 10:19 PM

It isn't uncommon to not be hungry after workout. Sometimes it is actually a good idea to fast for up to an hour after a meal in order to maximize natural GH secretion, which could be stunted by a large meal. Sometimes it's best to listen to your body even if it goes against what you have heard.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:17 PM

Try some Magnesium Citrate or Glycinate. 400-600 mg capsules before bed. Helps with carb & sugar cravings and most folk are deficient. Also helps with sleep/calmness.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:59 PM

It's not an extract, it's a mineral. Go for the capsules. I like these: http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Magnesium-Citrate-180-Softgels/22552

D8237966ef014bdec4486ef9f6473894

(93)

on March 04, 2013
at 03:34 PM

Any specific extract strength? Will give it a try

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