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Why isn't this working?! : EDIT

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 01, 2011 at 4:02 PM

I recently sat in the BodPod at my University, and the results were not pretty. If you have read any of my other posts, my BF tested back in August and came out around 20%...apparently this was botched because according to my BodPod results I'm 155 pounds and 28.1% body fat (when I was on birth control I was 149 and 29.3%...so WTF?!) Soon after my first test I started into Paleo with hopes of finally leaning out and being happy with myself.

I need to figure out WHY Paleo is not working for me...

I was following the Primal Blueprint from May-June then tried Robb Wolf's 30 Day challenge back in July/August. Since then, I'll have one good "cheat" a month....maybe. I tried cutting dairy, but found this didn't effect me at all (and I use whey after my workouts). I don't eat it daily other than the whey...maybe 1-2 times a week.

I Crossfit weekly, have an active job, I ride my horse 3-4 days a week, take my dog on a 2 mile walk 3-4 days a week, walk everywhere on campus, and spend more time laying on my bed sleeping than I do partying/drinking. I eat low carb and have drastically reduced my portion sizes in the last few weeks. Ive messed with IF, coconut oil and zero carb...

CAN ANYBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE HELL IM DOING WRONG?! I don't intend to start eating conventionally again because I feel like crap when I stray, even for one night...but its tough for me to put all this effort into eating Paleo if I still can't stand looking in the mirror...

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I have started in on "Zoning" my daily intake. What do you think about this?

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 02, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Totally agree with that one Paul!

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Michelle, sulfur rich plants include onions, garlic, mushrooms, and cabbage family plants. For fermented vegetables see http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=5165.

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

(5939)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:25 PM

Hi Beth, eliminate is a bit strong ... but weight loss should be 90% healthy eating, 10% will power. So maybe push the calorie restriction to the point of mild hunger as meal times approach, but look to eat well. And for most people, it should be possible to do intermittent fasting without much hardship.

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:10 PM

I no longer disagree then! That much xfit is very likely to cause stress/cortisol issues. You may have to resign yourself to not cutting much fat until after competition...

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 06:01 PM

(And just because it's lunchtime ...) I do have a minor quibble with Paul's suggestion that you must "eliminate" hunger. I think you need to avoid overswinging the pendulum so much that you're *never* hungry because you're actually eating more than you need. A little bit of hunger at mealtime is IMO a good sign. And as Ben Franklin more or less said, hunger is the best sauce ;).

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 05:55 PM

I eat liver in braunschweiger ... makes it tolerable. And Travis had a good idea of seeing if your butcher might make sausage out of it.

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on December 01, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Michelle, fermented veggies could be raw sauerkraut (make sure it's not pasteurized), kim chi (korean pickled cabbage), and I think Bubbie's brand makes pickles that might fit the bill. I'm still trying to bring myself to eat liver, but I hear soaking it in milk prior to cooking helps the taste, and I'd cook it with plenty of bacon & onions! :) Canned oysters could be a good shot of nutrients for not much $$$ Good luck :)

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 05:36 PM

Michelle, get the Jaminet's book ;). http://perfecthealthdiet.com It's a must-read! At a minimum, go check out his blog there ... lots of good stuff, including recipes!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 05:34 PM

I want to second Paul's recommendations on the nutrient-dense foods folks should be including in their diets. It's not enough to reduce carbs or processed foods. In his recent interview with Cary Nosler Chris Masterjohn talked about what Weston Price found in his work, and it boils down to if you're not eating the squishy stuff (organs, shellfish, marrow etc), you're probably not getting enough of the essential micronutrients you need for real health.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:34 PM

also...what are "sulfur rich plants" and what are examples of "fermented veggies" i have so much to learn.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:32 PM

im afraid of organ meats....ive never tried them...but ive heard they taste pretty awful. how do you cook them so they taste good?

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

(5939)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:13 PM

Here's our recommended supplements: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?page_id=1066. If you are on a budget, try a multivitamin, an extra multimineral with good calcium and magnesium amounts plus trace minerals, and vitamin D3 as needed. Eat liver and other organ meats, fermented vegetables, bone broth, potatoes, shellfish and seafood, and sulfur-rich plants.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:12 PM

You should get your advice directly from Dr. Kruse, http://jackkruse.com/my-leptin-prescription/ , for starters to make sure you are in fact leptin resistant. I probably took longer because I didn't follow his advice totally. All I did was follow the beef with veggies and fruit a little later. One meal is the cat's meow for me. If I did get hungry, I had a can of sardines in the afternoon.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:05 PM

so all you have to do is eat 50 g fat/protein every morning...and no snacking?

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 01, 2011
at 05:01 PM

I made sure I had leftover beef in the fridge. I'd grab a large, fatty piece and chew it every morning. That was something I already knew I liked though. I could never eat 7 eggs :O but I can do a number on a cold steak.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:55 PM

what would you recommend supplement wise? im on a super tight budget...so as much as id like to spend on lots of wonderful supplements, i cant always do this.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:45 PM

what would you eat? 1 egg has about 7 g of protein...thats a lot of eggs...ideas? suggestions?!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:42 PM

I cheated and "first thing" was an hour or two but it still worked.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:42 PM

A few weeks a go I did a diet analysis project for my nutrition class....some days I'd eat around 1600 calories, some days it would be around 2100.... lately(last 2 weeks or so), its been around 1400-1600 calories daily.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:30 PM

i guess i should rephrase...i crossfit 4-5 days a week, i'm beginning to compete within the month so cutting back/stopping is a bit difficult

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:28 PM

I disagree with the exercising too much answers - unless I'm misreading your post. You are only crossfitting once per week and the rest is a lot of walking/riding. Is that correct? That doesn't seem like overtraining to me.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:26 PM

I am hungry quite often

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:23 PM

I have looked into the leptin reset...but I'm not sure if I understand it 100%...or if I could eat 50g protein first thing in the morning.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Are you ever hungry? If not, it's possible you're still eating enough to maintain your weight.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Rest days are very important for me too. If I don't have recovery time, my body goes into adrenal fatigue and everything goes downhill.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:20 PM

Ok, 3 have answered and we're all thinking the same things! Hope that means we're on the right track for Michelle!

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:19 PM

+1 It took me 2 years of paleo to figure out I thrive on 60+ grams of starchy carbs a day. And I started taking more rest days, everything got better.

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9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

on December 01, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Hi Michelle,

The first thing you have to do is eliminate hunger. I'm guessing you're probably too low carb and need to add some starches, and the other factor that's likely to contribute to hunger is micronutrient deficiencies. It's good to supplement.

That alone will probably fix the issue. Hunger is evidence that your body feels "starved" in some way and so it will try to conserve energy / hang onto it. You have to nourish yourself adequately to persuade your brain that it's safe to let go of fat.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 05:55 PM

I eat liver in braunschweiger ... makes it tolerable. And Travis had a good idea of seeing if your butcher might make sausage out of it.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 06:01 PM

(And just because it's lunchtime ...) I do have a minor quibble with Paul's suggestion that you must "eliminate" hunger. I think you need to avoid overswinging the pendulum so much that you're *never* hungry because you're actually eating more than you need. A little bit of hunger at mealtime is IMO a good sign. And as Ben Franklin more or less said, hunger is the best sauce ;).

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:55 PM

what would you recommend supplement wise? im on a super tight budget...so as much as id like to spend on lots of wonderful supplements, i cant always do this.

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

(5939)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:13 PM

Here's our recommended supplements: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?page_id=1066. If you are on a budget, try a multivitamin, an extra multimineral with good calcium and magnesium amounts plus trace minerals, and vitamin D3 as needed. Eat liver and other organ meats, fermented vegetables, bone broth, potatoes, shellfish and seafood, and sulfur-rich plants.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:34 PM

also...what are "sulfur rich plants" and what are examples of "fermented veggies" i have so much to learn.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:32 PM

im afraid of organ meats....ive never tried them...but ive heard they taste pretty awful. how do you cook them so they taste good?

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Michelle, fermented veggies could be raw sauerkraut (make sure it's not pasteurized), kim chi (korean pickled cabbage), and I think Bubbie's brand makes pickles that might fit the bill. I'm still trying to bring myself to eat liver, but I hear soaking it in milk prior to cooking helps the taste, and I'd cook it with plenty of bacon & onions! :) Canned oysters could be a good shot of nutrients for not much $$$ Good luck :)

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

(5939)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:25 PM

Hi Beth, eliminate is a bit strong ... but weight loss should be 90% healthy eating, 10% will power. So maybe push the calorie restriction to the point of mild hunger as meal times approach, but look to eat well. And for most people, it should be possible to do intermittent fasting without much hardship.

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

(5939)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Michelle, sulfur rich plants include onions, garlic, mushrooms, and cabbage family plants. For fermented vegetables see http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=5165.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 05:34 PM

I want to second Paul's recommendations on the nutrient-dense foods folks should be including in their diets. It's not enough to reduce carbs or processed foods. In his recent interview with Cary Nosler Chris Masterjohn talked about what Weston Price found in his work, and it boils down to if you're not eating the squishy stuff (organs, shellfish, marrow etc), you're probably not getting enough of the essential micronutrients you need for real health.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 02, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Totally agree with that one Paul!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on December 01, 2011
at 05:36 PM

Michelle, get the Jaminet's book ;). http://perfecthealthdiet.com It's a must-read! At a minimum, go check out his blog there ... lots of good stuff, including recipes!

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:15 PM

Be happy with yourself first. Everything will then fall into place. Resolve to be healthy first and allow your body to change at it's own pace. Unfortunately, only you will be able to figure out what is blocking you. I might suggest that stress/cortisol could be a problem for you. (or any number of other things)

Remember that paleo is a template for self-discovery, not a one size fits all.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Rest days are very important for me too. If I don't have recovery time, my body goes into adrenal fatigue and everything goes downhill.

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:19 PM

+1 It took me 2 years of paleo to figure out I thrive on 60+ grams of starchy carbs a day. And I started taking more rest days, everything got better.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:17 PM

You sound very active but you also sound stressed--and I guess I would be too.

The problem is, health improvements are not possible if you're stressed. So, take a deep breath, see what others have in the way of ideas and do whatever works for you to relax.

Wow, I just saw Dave's answer but I think I'll post mine too.

Smile, laugh, relax and meditate about what's important in life. Then, continue the gradual process toward the body you want. And remember, the fine-tuning takes a lot longer than the rough work.

EDIT: You know, this could be the dreaded slowing of metabolism because your body is as determined to cling to your body fat as you are to get rid of it. If so, relaxing is even more important and eating enough fat will help coax your system to let go of the fat. Have you considered a leptin reset?

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:42 PM

I cheated and "first thing" was an hour or two but it still worked.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:45 PM

what would you eat? 1 egg has about 7 g of protein...thats a lot of eggs...ideas? suggestions?!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:01 PM

I made sure I had leftover beef in the fridge. I'd grab a large, fatty piece and chew it every morning. That was something I already knew I liked though. I could never eat 7 eggs :O but I can do a number on a cold steak.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:05 PM

so all you have to do is eat 50 g fat/protein every morning...and no snacking?

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:12 PM

You should get your advice directly from Dr. Kruse, http://jackkruse.com/my-leptin-prescription/ , for starters to make sure you are in fact leptin resistant. I probably took longer because I didn't follow his advice totally. All I did was follow the beef with veggies and fruit a little later. One meal is the cat's meow for me. If I did get hungry, I had a can of sardines in the afternoon.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:23 PM

I have looked into the leptin reset...but I'm not sure if I understand it 100%...or if I could eat 50g protein first thing in the morning.

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on January 03, 2012
at 11:02 PM

Michelle~ I have to agree with Dave S. and a few others. I am in the same boat you are in...can't seem to lean out....but I SEVERELY believe it's because I stress over the way I look like you are doing. I've read all your posts because I'm searching for those same answers and my heart goes out to you truly. But I have come to the conclusion that it's stress. The Paleo Diet, the way it is written, says unlimited amounts of fruits and veggies. If you are stress free or can learn to keep your stress levels low then you can eat what you want and still feel good. Stop stressing over the way you look and focus more on keeping your stress levels down. It sounds like you're releasing too much cortisol. Keep in mind your body needs cortisol for gluconeogenesis (turning protein into glucose). And if your blood glucose levels are low, you would secrete more cortisol to counter it, which in return would make you put on weight or keep weight on. Robb Wolf even describes a client of his who was only CrossFitting 3x a week and was lean and healthy. Then she signed up for a competition and started going to CF 6x a week and put a tire on in her midsection. Don't overdo it. Get more rest days and listen to you body...it's obviously fighting you back and telling you to calm down. Add more carbs to your diet, you will be full and feel less stress. The worst that could happen is that it doesn't work. But I have felt better mentally when I started to focus on eliminating stress. When I was on vacation, I ate whatever Paleo foods I wanted and had awesome abs.

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:19 PM

I would recommend Dr. Jack's Leptin Reset. It really helped me to space out my meals, no snacks, big breakfast=low to no hunger the rest of the day. I eat 3 meals but the noon and 6pm meals are small and very small. The big breakfast helps me feel noursished all day.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:20 PM

Ok, 3 have answered and we're all thinking the same things! Hope that means we're on the right track for Michelle!

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on January 03, 2012
at 11:08 PM

I know nothing about how the BodPod does its measurements, but I can guarantee you that if you're not doing a full MRI there are assumptions and estimates that it's reporting. I wouldn't be surprised if it's only accurate to +/10% even though it reports precision to the 0.1%. If you have any documentation on how it works, what the measurements it makes are, the accuracy of those measurements, all of that, let me know and I'll see what I can figure out. But other than an MRI there is no measurement of body fat percentage that I trust.

Rather than go by a number and get all stressed which raises cortisol (as does restricting calories), try to relax and just wait for it all to work. Even if the "numbers" are getting worse, how do you look? How do your clothes fit?

Also - you're doing way too much. You don't say what kind of crossfit you're doing, but if it's mainsite-style workouts, they're too long. If it's short and heavy strength training, then I'm happy with it.

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:40 PM

Have you tried using Fitday to discover how many calories you're eating on a typical day?

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:42 PM

A few weeks a go I did a diet analysis project for my nutrition class....some days I'd eat around 1600 calories, some days it would be around 2100.... lately(last 2 weeks or so), its been around 1400-1600 calories daily.

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Stay away from the scale and body fat measurements. You may also need to do an ASI test to find out if you have adrenal fatigue. It sounds to me like you are exercising too much. I would cut the crossfit for a while. Go to sleep every night at 10 pm. You could also try the Leptin prescription on JAckKruse.com

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