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Vegetarian paleo ideas

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Created July 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM

I am shocked and proud of my vegetarian father-in-law following suit and joining me my husband and mother-in-law in going paleo. He has numerous health issues and is overweight and would benefit greatly from weight loss says his doctor. Like I said, I am impressed he gave up breads, pasta & cheese! The only problem is that he is growing terribly bored with his diet (don't forget, he's eating no fish or neat - though he was open to salmon, so feel free to suggest a dish with fish, though I know for example he won't eat tuna). I'm afraid he will leave the diet if it is deprivation and not fun. How can a vegetarian make this diet fun?? Ideas?

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on July 19, 2012
at 01:36 PM

Legume hate is only warranted if you've got a dysfunctional gut. The paleo opinion on legumes is rooted in phytates and lectins. Phytates aren't a problem, I think we need to ditch the idea that phytates are something awful and to be avoided, because so many paleo foods are just as high as non-paleo foods. Cordain (who as far as I can tell) started in on the phytates are bad for you because he was looking for a reason to exclude certain foods. Lectins, which again are found in many paleo foods, aren't a problem either, assuming a non-leaky gut.

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on July 19, 2012
at 12:55 PM

Doing a good Vegetarian diet is hard. And if you put additional constraints on it, it will be worse. What you want to do is learn what Indians have done since a very long time. Then understand why they do it, and then and only then try to improve upon it. Not saying that they do everything good, but be sensible, they have been doing it for a really long time.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 19, 2012
at 12:52 PM

For vegetarians actually going paleo is worse than being non-paleo. You do want to ferment legumes to get a higher proportion of those nutrients, along with the proteins, without the problems inherent to legumes.

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on July 17, 2012
at 02:07 PM

That looks interesting, but with all the links for meat, one wonders how committed they are to sharing vegetarian tips (as opposed to persuading people to start eating meat). And we can't tell about the actual vegetarian resources because they involve purchasing a "package" or upgrade. One of the things I really like about paleo is that one can find pretty much everything one needs for free. I think I'll browse for some free information, since I too have loved ones who could benefit from paleo but are vegetarians. I'll add anything I find.

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on July 17, 2012
at 01:22 PM

Also, for heaven's sake, dairy products as a source of protein. Otherwise you're down to pretty much what, just eggs? Assuming legumes are going to be off the table.

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on July 17, 2012
at 01:06 PM

I like salmon just either just smoked, or cooked with lemon, lime, herbs and a little coconut milk. If hes bored, and game to try some fish, salmon alone will keep him occupied for awhile. Mmmmmm...

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:48 PM

The good thing (enjoyment wise) about most versios of paleo is the revealation fat is good, outside of the context of a sea of pasta and bread. So bring on the olives, nuts, avocados, some well picked dairy options, the fatty fish if hell be game for it.

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:44 PM

And if hes open to salmon, bring on the salmon! I find it great just either smoked plain, or cooked with lemon, lime, herbs and a little coconut milk.

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:43 PM

^ Totally agree. I guess theres eggs, but still.....just use aged cheese & fermented dairy if your worried about lactose. Or goats milk if your worried about casien. Most people are bothered by neither significantly. Its not strictly paleo, but then the broad nutrients of milk are pretty similar to paleo foods. Its not like its made of non-cellular starch like bread :P Otherwise it would be hard to get fats. Only so many avocados, nuts and olives one can eat. If theres eggs, and cheese/greek yogurt/kefir etc in there, u got more options for healthy fats..

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34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 17, 2012
at 12:25 PM

Why is he not eating cheese and yogurt? Where are you getting animal fats from? For a vegetarian Dairy is a must. Learn something from the Indians who have been following vegetarian diet for a millenia.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:44 PM

And if hes open to salmon, bring on the salmon! I find it great just either smoked plain, or cooked with lemon, lime, herbs and a little coconut milk.

D63a9a7789b948a1e88647f6c0e504ca

(1453)

on July 17, 2012
at 01:22 PM

Also, for heaven's sake, dairy products as a source of protein. Otherwise you're down to pretty much what, just eggs? Assuming legumes are going to be off the table.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:43 PM

^ Totally agree. I guess theres eggs, but still.....just use aged cheese & fermented dairy if your worried about lactose. Or goats milk if your worried about casien. Most people are bothered by neither significantly. Its not strictly paleo, but then the broad nutrients of milk are pretty similar to paleo foods. Its not like its made of non-cellular starch like bread :P Otherwise it would be hard to get fats. Only so many avocados, nuts and olives one can eat. If theres eggs, and cheese/greek yogurt/kefir etc in there, u got more options for healthy fats..

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:48 PM

The good thing (enjoyment wise) about most versios of paleo is the revealation fat is good, outside of the context of a sea of pasta and bread. So bring on the olives, nuts, avocados, some well picked dairy options, the fatty fish if hell be game for it.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on July 19, 2012
at 01:36 PM

Legume hate is only warranted if you've got a dysfunctional gut. The paleo opinion on legumes is rooted in phytates and lectins. Phytates aren't a problem, I think we need to ditch the idea that phytates are something awful and to be avoided, because so many paleo foods are just as high as non-paleo foods. Cordain (who as far as I can tell) started in on the phytates are bad for you because he was looking for a reason to exclude certain foods. Lectins, which again are found in many paleo foods, aren't a problem either, assuming a non-leaky gut.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 19, 2012
at 12:52 PM

For vegetarians actually going paleo is worse than being non-paleo. You do want to ferment legumes to get a higher proportion of those nutrients, along with the proteins, without the problems inherent to legumes.

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:47 PM

Going pescatarian at least would be much healthier than true vegetarian, but if he is set on being vegetarian, here is a good resource: Paleo Nutrition for Vegetarians

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on July 17, 2012
at 02:07 PM

That looks interesting, but with all the links for meat, one wonders how committed they are to sharing vegetarian tips (as opposed to persuading people to start eating meat). And we can't tell about the actual vegetarian resources because they involve purchasing a "package" or upgrade. One of the things I really like about paleo is that one can find pretty much everything one needs for free. I think I'll browse for some free information, since I too have loved ones who could benefit from paleo but are vegetarians. I'll add anything I find.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 19, 2012
at 12:55 PM

Doing a good Vegetarian diet is hard. And if you put additional constraints on it, it will be worse. What you want to do is learn what Indians have done since a very long time. Then understand why they do it, and then and only then try to improve upon it. Not saying that they do everything good, but be sensible, they have been doing it for a really long time.

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:01 PM

I try not to eat anything that I could conceivably love, like a cow or a goat. So I understand the problem a little. I eat raw tilapia, raw eggs, raw cheese, celery dipped in melted butter and garlic salt, bee pollen, green smoothies, coconut mash, etc.

But most importantly, I drink a lot of homemade, grains based kefir. I figure that the kefir microbes want to be eaten by me. I make a smoothie with kefir, strawberries, and stevia or palm nectar.

Lately I have been doing more fermenting, part of trying to increase my intake of living foods. I don't feel bored. I also "slip" now and then and have brownie batter or something else that is not paleo. This helps. But understand that slipping is built into most formal paleo diets.

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on July 19, 2012
at 12:52 PM

By taking away breads and pasta, all he really removed was filler foods, so his variety shouldn't have changed much. If he was tolerant to cheese before, he might want to leave it in there. Salmon can be pan fried in coconut oil with a little lime juice on it, or smoked, or grilled, or many other ways of preparation.

What were some things he ate before?

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