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Primal blueprint NOT losing any weight =(

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 25, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Around August/September/October I tried Atkins and didn't lose a single pound. It was irritating considering most people lose at least water weight. Then, I stopped caring because I figured the baby weight was here to stay, but then I still wanted to be healthier so I switched to Primal.

I started trying primal a couple months ago and I have lost a pound or two, but it still fluctuates which makes me think I haven't lost anything. I'm eating meats&veggies. Mostly ground beef in either chili or patty form (don't like chicken or turkey), bacon once a week and veggies like broccoli&spinach. I don't like eggs either =( I usually only end up eating twice a day now because I get busy with other things and didn't get very hungry until recently where I seem to be ravenous. Not sure what changed, if anything, but I am always hungry now and it doesn't matter what I eat.

I tried IF and I just ended up binge eating pizza because I felt so hungry and I felt deprived and it was there - quick&easy.I know it's no excuse but I'm starting to not care anymore since I'm not losing weight anyway. To me, not being able to fast was a bummer because I thought my mind could handle it since I ate more than usual yesterday.

I tried the 30 day thing but also ended up binge eating. I don't know what my problem is but I end up just not caring since I've been exercising the primal way and eating as primally as I can and absolutely nothing is happening.

I just don't even know what to do anymore. I'm at a loss because I have lost any weight and it's not like I eat crap every single day it's like a slip up once every couple of weeks because I feel like it doesn't matter what I do I won't lose a pound anyway. I just feel so frustrated because everyone seems to have such an easy time and I am struggling so much and not enjoying anything I do. All I think about is how I want to lose weight and feel confident again and now I just feel destined to be fat and it makes me cry. I don't want to be heavy anymore and I've been working really hard and it doesn't seem worth it if I'm not going to lose any weight =(

Am I just supposed to stop eating and start running?! That sounds really stupid but it seems like the only way I'd lose weight now.

I also tried those ketosis strips to see if my body was actually burning fat and (I don't know if they're all the same) but my strip never made it past the light pink. I'm not sure if that really pertains to why I'm not losing this weight but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

I drink lots of water. I'd guesstimate 85-100oz. I have a water bottle that's 2.2L and I drink about 1 1/2 of it every day.

I'm 4'9" 168lbs. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate it. I know I need to stop binge eating I'm just not really sure how. If anyone was a binge eater and learned how to stop that would be really helpful.

It'd be nice to find some kind of hack since Atkins or Primal alone are enough hacks for some people and my body's just like "HAHA you fool, nothing will EVER work for you!"

It makes me very sad =(

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on October 09, 2012
at 06:17 PM

On a food calculator like Livestrong's Daily Plate, you can enter your recipe ingredient by ingredient and then it will calculate the total nutrient breakdown. It's easy to use, and it saves the data for you, so if it's something you eat often (like chili, which you mentioned a few times), you can easily select it for future meals.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 09, 2012
at 08:44 AM

Liver is beautiful in a home made pate. I hate liver, but my homemade pate iv been having with everything recently.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 09, 2012
at 08:43 AM

If your eating low carb, not too high calories (or too low), AND exercising, something is broken in your metabolism. It could be a deficiency.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 09, 2012
at 08:41 AM

Do you even have focus/memory issues, or trouble waking or falling to sleep BTW?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 09, 2012
at 08:40 AM

^ because you eat neither eggs, nor liver, you may be choline deficient. Choline is required for lipid distribution (fat burning and storage).

D63a9a7789b948a1e88647f6c0e504ca

(1453)

on March 28, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Especially depending on what range is used, "normal range" does not mean not hypothyroid. For starters ask the doc for your actual lab results.

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(528)

on March 26, 2012
at 08:36 PM

Also keep in mind that not all of us feel full after eating fruits and veggies. I can eat a head of broccoli and still experience physical feelings of hunger after.

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:47 PM

i don't think it's hungry enough to binge it's the feeling of not being able to have what i want i think

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:46 PM

I thought I said it in my post but maybe I was just thinking it and didn't add it in I go for walks when it's nice out - it's been really crappy here lately - I strength train 3x a week, and for cardio i go on my exercise bike 55-75% my max heart rate every day.i was sprinting once a week but since nothing was happening i changed it to 2x a week.adding fat didn't help me i tried it.i get sun when i can.it's been very rainy and dark here.i take a multivitamin but never tried sardines or liver. they both sound very gross lol

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:43 PM

I never make my chili with beans. When I'm good I only eat carbs from veggies so not many carbs in a day. It's too time consuming to keep track of carbs i eat when i do eat things like chili which is a lot cuz i crave it&it's awesome, but there are too many things in it&i make a huge batch so to me it's like what's the point in keeping track if it's not accurate anyway kind of a deal. the only carbs i put in my chili are bell peppers. the rest is meat&seasonings

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:41 PM

I've had my thyroid checked 4 times and they always said it was in the "normal" range. Now I don't have insurance so I'd be paying for it out of own pocket&right now it's hard to just pay for food =(

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:37 PM

I'm not sure how many I eat in a day but I eat when I'm hungry and eat until I'm satisfied. I couldn't produce enough milk to breastfeed =( I only eat twice a day so I don't think I'm eating too much. When I do eat it's usually some kind of green plus a meat I'm trying to lose 50 pounds but probably more like 40 to compensate for muscle I'll most likely gain. I'm only 4'9" so to me, I'm very overweight. I don't know amounts of my macronutrients it became too time consuming and hard to keep track considering I eat things like chili that have a lot of stuff in it in a huge batch

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(5519)

on March 26, 2012
at 02:51 AM

We need more info. How much weight are you trying to lose? If you aren't overweight, weight loss will happen slower. How many calories and how much protein and fat are you consuming?

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(2890)

on March 25, 2012
at 10:56 PM

Try high protein and carb, lowish fat. Don't fast. Count calories.

1955b5516a3eaedce732f4ea8bb3fa6c

on March 25, 2012
at 09:27 PM

I second this, my mom is hypothyroid and did Atkin's for about 3 years and only lost a few pounds. It could definitely be a factor.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:55 PM

Count calories. I went paleo and ended up eating too much since I was not used to the foods.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:49 PM

This is the opposite of my experience- eating enough fat to feel genuinely feel full reduces binging significantly. Eating fruits and vegetables just makes me want to eff it and go eat a pizza. A fatty cut of beef, or eggs with a side of meat for breakfast with some avocado will reduce binging for the whole day I find.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:46 PM

Make sure you are getting enough calories!! Being hungry enough to binge makes me think that you probably are not eating enough calories! Lots of fat will help control the binging.

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(393)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:37 PM

Oh, and I tried IF too. Could do it for a day. Next day ate normal. Would IF again. Day after: BINGE, binge, binge! Hunger triggers the disease of binge eating.....

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(393)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:34 PM

I was a binge eater, on Kruse's Leptin Rx now. Helped tremendously. Obsession to overeat is lifted from me! :)

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:29 PM

just stick with it. Try a whole two weeks of strict paleo and no pizza before stepping on the scales.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on March 25, 2012
at 08:28 PM

You said something about baby weight, are you breastfeeding?

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:26 PM

I agree it's worth a try but adding fat didn't help me break my carb addiction. I had to use a combination of willpower and distraction BUT I do agree it helps if you aren't starved for protein/fat while you're trying to shift away from carbs.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:16 PM

How many calories do you eat a day? Might be deficient, makes it hard to lose weight if you are eating way below your requirements.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:18 PM

First, let me say I would be very frustrated in your place.

I can't really know what's going on based on a few sentences, but here are a few thoughts to consider--hope one or more provide possible insights:

  • when weight loss isn't happening there IS a reason but it can be--as you've found--very hard to isolate what it is.

  • you appear to be locked in an internal battle and, believe me, I've been there. Namely, part of you wants to work on your weight and part of you is "hungry." I used quotes because what you are perceiving as hunger may/may not be that.

After about a year of successes and bumps, I have narrowed my philosophy of eating to: don't eat until you are hungry (stomach/gut hunger, not brain) and eat enough high-volume, low-density foods that it's easy to reduce portion sizes on the richer ones (from the variety of whole foods.) Yep, that's it.

Your question appears to describe the experience of hunger driven by your brain chemistry (cravings) rather than your gut (stomach pangs, squeezed feeling.) You are feeling the cravings because your body currently prefers to burn the food you eat rather than stored fat--and you are eating enough food that it doesn't have to switch to burning fat.

So what can you do? If you already tried this, I apologize, but what helped me was to eat a large helping of fatty beef as my first food of the day. A large helping would be 4-8 oz; adding 1-2 bacon strips would be fine too but I had to avoid eggs as they actually stimulated my appetite. Others find eggs filling, so you follow what's true for you.

After my large breakfast of fatty beef I didn't eat again until my stomach/gut actively asked for food. Since my brain was screaming for carbs long before then I had to get away from food by driving, walking or going to the thrift/hardware/greenhouse and browsing.

In the afternoon or evening, if/when stomach/gut hunger became active, I had more fatty meat with non-starchy vegetables or low-carb fruit. Vegetables included leafy salad, asparagus--nothing richer than those--and fruit was grapefruit.

With that approach, I slowly and gradually shifted my metabolism toward fat-burning. Please note that if you eat enough fat and protein to live on, you will NEVER reach ketosis, so once your appetite is in better control you'll need to gradually reduce your portions to just a little less than you can live on and then you should release and burn stored fat.

I hope something I've said gives you an idea--good luck!

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(11697)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:15 PM

Hmm... I would personally go to an endocrinologist to check full thyroid (not just the 2-3 tests the normal doctors do). If you have thyroid issues that would explain why you can't lose not even a single pound. But you obviously need to stick to the diet for more than 2 weeks to make sure that indeed you don't lose. If you're binging on pizza it's because you're not eating the right foods. Eat more fat if you're hungry, more fruits if you crave sugar. But definitely stay within Paleo and don't cheat with gluten.

1955b5516a3eaedce732f4ea8bb3fa6c

on March 25, 2012
at 09:27 PM

I second this, my mom is hypothyroid and did Atkin's for about 3 years and only lost a few pounds. It could definitely be a factor.

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:41 PM

I've had my thyroid checked 4 times and they always said it was in the "normal" range. Now I don't have insurance so I'd be paying for it out of own pocket&right now it's hard to just pay for food =(

D63a9a7789b948a1e88647f6c0e504ca

(1453)

on March 28, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Especially depending on what range is used, "normal range" does not mean not hypothyroid. For starters ask the doc for your actual lab results.

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Ed2157b3a5560af0f2c507c8fc4f5a2a

on March 25, 2012
at 08:23 PM

To be perfectly honest, maybe you have to really look a little deeper at what you're eating and how much of it you're eating. If you're eating chilli and you're still eating beans (and a good amount of them), then that probably won't help, but I'm not sure if you are or aren't. Only you know what you're actually eating.

Have you tried to count how many carbs you really are eating? Are you being honest in your assessments of how much you "mess up" etc?

Sometimes it's just about taking an honest look at what you are actually eating and fixing the problem there before you can do anything else. I know; I've been up and down the weight rollercoaster forever, and this seems to be the only thing that has worked for me.

If you have a smart phone, try using the app called "The Eatery" and snap EVERY SINGLE THING YOU EAT for a week and then come back for an analysis. You may be slipping up more than you think, which is why your body hasn't gone into ketosis.

Also, if you feel hungry, try eating more fat and protein, and much more vegetables, and whatever you do DO NOT BINGE! Just don't do it, and don't use "I'm hungry" as an excuse to eat pounds of pizza. Instead, try making healthier versions of these things at home (ie Cauliflower pizza).

Also, take a look at your workouts, and make sure that when you do have higher intensity days, that you actually work to that intensity.

If you're honest with your body, then you will see results.

"What you eat in private shows in public"

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:43 PM

I never make my chili with beans. When I'm good I only eat carbs from veggies so not many carbs in a day. It's too time consuming to keep track of carbs i eat when i do eat things like chili which is a lot cuz i crave it&it's awesome, but there are too many things in it&i make a huge batch so to me it's like what's the point in keeping track if it's not accurate anyway kind of a deal. the only carbs i put in my chili are bell peppers. the rest is meat&seasonings

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Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

on March 25, 2012
at 09:45 PM

Lifelong fat girl who still struggles from time to time here. I totally understand your frustration. Can you post some more specifics? What a typical food/activity log might look like for you, what's the longest you've gone "strict", etc.?

You mention baby weight. If you have a young child around, I'm guessing you're not sleeping much. Sleep is a much bigger piece of the puzzle than most people realize. Cut yourself some slack and focus on putting quality foods in your body and caring for your little one.

Here are a couple of other thoughts off the top of my head:

Commit to strict Paleo/primal for a full 4-6 weeks. Just make up your mind and do it. Don't worry about ketosis or IF or anything else. Even the workouts aren't nearly as important as your nutrition and your sleep and stress levels. Seriously. Don't worry about anything other than putting high-quality meat, fat, and veggies in your body and getting good solid sleep every night (if possible).

Keep a journal. Log your food and sleep. It would be really helpful to keep track of sleep quality, workout quality, mood, cravings, etc. You'll see trends eventually, and that will tell you how you do best (high- or low-carb, 2 meals or 5, etc.).

Good luck, and keep us posted.

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on March 25, 2012
at 09:01 PM

I have been following paleo principles for about a year now and though I have lost a few inches, I did not lose weight until recently. What worked for me was to track my food on myfitnesspal (or similar program). Until I did this, I was not realizing what non paleo food was slipping in, how many calories I was really eating or what my ratio of carbs/fat/protein really was. While I look at the calories and take that into consideration, I mostly use the tracker to see how many grams of carbs/protein/fat I get. Most programs are based off a typical high carb, low fat diet so you have to manually adjust the percentages to meet your goals.

Also, I have tried some principles of the Kruse Leptin rx.. Specifically the very high protein and fat, very low carb breakfast. I tended to snack on nuts, fruit (which caused me to way underestimate carbs) etc during the day but with 50+ grams of protein in bfast... I can have just a very small lunch or no lunch at all and make it to dinner without cravings.

Between the accountability, tracking, and large protein breakfast, I am finally seeing 2 lb a week weight loss after a year of paleo. I would definitely consider trying the tracking for a week and see if things are matching up! Good luck!

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on March 25, 2012
at 08:24 PM

Are you truly living by all the PB principles? Its much more than just what you eat. You didnt mention your daily activity/exercise habits ie lots of long walks, a few strength training sessions per week and the occasional sprint workout. I think your on target with low carb however my guess is that your not adding enough fat into your diet. You dont have to measure or anything but consciously double your fat intake and see how you feel. If still getting cravings, triple the fat. This should drastically reduce your cravings to binge eat and very likely support a better hormonal profile. You sleeping 8-9 hours daily and getting plenty of sun? If no sun make sure your getting a good amount of sardines and liver in your diet for vitamin D. Finally, it sounds like you need to focus on stress management as well perhaps just 5 or 10 minutes a day of meditation. Good luck and let us know how your progress is coming along.

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:46 PM

I thought I said it in my post but maybe I was just thinking it and didn't add it in I go for walks when it's nice out - it's been really crappy here lately - I strength train 3x a week, and for cardio i go on my exercise bike 55-75% my max heart rate every day.i was sprinting once a week but since nothing was happening i changed it to 2x a week.adding fat didn't help me i tried it.i get sun when i can.it's been very rainy and dark here.i take a multivitamin but never tried sardines or liver. they both sound very gross lol

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 25, 2012
at 08:26 PM

I agree it's worth a try but adding fat didn't help me break my carb addiction. I had to use a combination of willpower and distraction BUT I do agree it helps if you aren't starved for protein/fat while you're trying to shift away from carbs.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 09, 2012
at 08:41 AM

Do you even have focus/memory issues, or trouble waking or falling to sleep BTW?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 09, 2012
at 08:43 AM

If your eating low carb, not too high calories (or too low), AND exercising, something is broken in your metabolism. It could be a deficiency.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 09, 2012
at 08:40 AM

^ because you eat neither eggs, nor liver, you may be choline deficient. Choline is required for lipid distribution (fat burning and storage).

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 09, 2012
at 08:44 AM

Liver is beautiful in a home made pate. I hate liver, but my homemade pate iv been having with everything recently.

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602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 28, 2012
at 01:19 AM

By the way, to makes things really weird, I was able to express milk last night after over 7 months of not breastfeeding, so now I'm wondering if I'm pregnant. Been craving ice cream&chocolate REALLY bad today, which is a lot of what I craved when I was pregnant with my 11 month old

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on March 25, 2012
at 08:44 PM

The thing in the OP's post I notice the most is that "Binge" shows up four times in the entire paragraph.

Regardless of all the chemistry involved in nutrition, you can't eliminate the first law of thermodynamics in your efforts to lose weight: calories in must either be transformed into heat, movement, or additional body tissue (fat or muscle or body repair). Excess calories will turn into fat. Try a calorie count, odds are you eat much more than you need.

If you are having a hard time stopping eating until you are "full" (not satiated, but overfilled, there is a difference), then I would not eat as much fat calories (the fat will add 9 calories per gram, versus 4 calories per gram of protein or carbohydrates). If you must binge, do it with less caloric foods like whole/raw fruits and vegetables. They will be much more filling, add nutritional value to your diet, and also add some water to your gut (plus feed the flora of your gut). Protein is still good, but most sources are dense and heavy, which does not add to the "filled" feeling you need to stop eating.

Do this, and you won't have to worry about the composition of your diet in terms of fat and protein and carbs. Fruits and vegetables are far lower in carbs than potatoes and grains, but will keep you filled and fight hunger. They are also far lower in calories than protein and fats, so by volume you can eat more while still having lower carb intake.

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

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on March 26, 2012
at 08:36 PM

Also keep in mind that not all of us feel full after eating fruits and veggies. I can eat a head of broccoli and still experience physical feelings of hunger after.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:49 PM

This is the opposite of my experience- eating enough fat to feel genuinely feel full reduces binging significantly. Eating fruits and vegetables just makes me want to eff it and go eat a pizza. A fatty cut of beef, or eggs with a side of meat for breakfast with some avocado will reduce binging for the whole day I find.

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751a4d824a1bd5b1c0a95e4e4abc8a51

on March 25, 2012
at 08:14 PM

I am in this exact same situation, I eat paleo for about 3 days then I eat half a large pizza, because I see no results. I binge when I try to fast too. Everything you described is me to a 'T', you for sure are not alone. I'm looking forward to an answer to this too.

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(1467)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:29 PM

just stick with it. Try a whole two weeks of strict paleo and no pizza before stepping on the scales.

602b93fa8764db49f5b8135ebdbf6f0a

on March 26, 2012
at 07:47 PM

i don't think it's hungry enough to binge it's the feeling of not being able to have what i want i think

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:46 PM

Make sure you are getting enough calories!! Being hungry enough to binge makes me think that you probably are not eating enough calories! Lots of fat will help control the binging.

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C68f0b374156e5ce7a9b8358232bfed0

on January 28, 2013
at 02:08 PM

There's been some really good answers in this thread and nothing I can add to; I just want to know how you're getting on?

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on January 28, 2013
at 03:43 AM

you should consult with specialist

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at 01:12 AM

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on March 26, 2012
at 02:02 AM

Your story really resonates with me - as i have been consistently struggling with fat loss too. I have also been in the same mindset as you on and off for years.

I just recently started actively counting calories and i'm noticing a slow but gradual shift to fat loss.

I was extremely resistant to the idea of counting calories (been there, done that in a very unhealthy way) but noticed that this time is much easier since i'm eating plenty of protein and enough fat.

Don't be too hard on yourself - there are a ton of people where you are right now. Losing weight (and keeping it off) is one of the hardest things in the world to do.

I recommend thedailyplate.com. Type in all your info and weight loss goals - set it to a "light" activity level..then log any additional exercise and make sure to eat back those exercise calories you burned.

Of course ignore the macronutrient goals at the bottom and stick to primal eating principles (but i would recommend adding in more carbs through fruit and sweet potatoes, even rice).

Try this for a few weeks - see if anything happens. I bet something does :)

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on March 25, 2012
at 08:49 PM

I'll guess that you have some other hormonal problem that is holding the weight on despite messing with calories and macronutrient ratios. I'd suggest you go over to the MDA monster leptin thread or Jack Kruse's forum and see if you can learn something there.

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on March 25, 2012
at 11:57 PM

I would definitely consider your leptin levels and look up Dr. Kruse's info and think about getting your leptin levels tested. I did and it certainly validated the insanity I was experiencing.

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on October 09, 2012
at 04:30 AM

That's becaus ethis diet is pure bull crap. IT doesn't work you nut job.

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