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Why Korea or Kiribati has the lowest heart disease rate in men?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created February 23, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Deaths/100,000 Population

Male Female

Hungary (2009) 319.1 113.7

Romania (2009) 276.4 109.5

Czech Republic (2009) 198.6 69.9

Poland (2008) 180.0 51.6

Finland (2009) 170.0 36.1

United States of America (2008) 149.2 59.5

United Kingdom (2009) 125.8 38.5

Germany (2006) 125.3 38.2

Sweden (2008) 109.4 35.5

Denmark (2006) 84.8 32.4

Norway (2009) 84.6 26.3

Spain (2008) 77.6 18.7

Italy (2007) 75.6 22.2

Netherlands (2009) 64.6 20.6

France (2007) 57.1 12.1

Japan (2009) 46.5 12.8

Republic of Korea (2009) 41.0 13.3

Here is the source of statistics: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/resources/docs/2012_ChartBook_508.pdf (see page 42)

According to this data, the best country is Kiribati (but no differentiation between genders): http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/coronary-heart-disease/by-country/

What's your educated guess?

7d46edca72c2f8347f65d7b734d1f1eb

on February 26, 2013
at 11:38 AM

dont they consume rice noodles?

Db4f4768f06e8e5cd95dffa536c2a9ab

(133)

on February 24, 2013
at 09:42 PM

http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/article00678.html

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on February 24, 2013
at 07:01 PM

I'm a fan of the hypothesis that menstruation is protective by preventing iron buildup. If you look at people who donate blood you see they often have greatly reduced heart disease.

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on February 24, 2013
at 06:33 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_South_Korea This article claims at least 50% of south korean men smoke and 73% of smokers die of cancer

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on February 24, 2013
at 06:30 PM

Maybe it's the type of wheat. Past, bulgur and such is durum wheat which is more ancient type with less gluten

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(10601)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:14 PM

French and Japanese women also have some of the highest longevities in the world. Scratch high carb diets, excellent national public transportation systems and high population density from the list of Neolithic diseases. They could actually be Neolithic longevity supplements.

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(10601)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:07 PM

What I've seen of east Asia is very high wheat consumption in the form of noodles. There's a lot more there than in my dad's daily SAD sandwich.

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(10601)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:05 PM

In a similar condition my Dr. put me on Zoloft to get my blood pressure down. Stress kills.

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(10601)

on February 24, 2013
at 04:55 PM

It's a universal longevity advantage, irrespective of nationality. It could be partly genetics, but I think it's mostly social, learned behaviors. Women HAVE to survive or the children won't survive. Booze and drugs will kill a Janis Joplin the same as a Jim Morrison, but women generally avoid dangerous behaviors more than men. Further, there is the social expectation that men will take the risks; that they are shameful cowards if they don't.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

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on February 24, 2013
at 10:36 AM

True, that's an interesting question to ask. Hungary, Romania. Probably, typical things though: smoking, lack of exercise, stress and overall low standard of living (relatively, of course).

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

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on February 24, 2013
at 10:35 AM

Indeed, their cancer rates are far from perfect. http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/all-cancers/by-country/

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

(952)

on February 24, 2013
at 10:34 AM

That's an interesting perspective, might be the case.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 24, 2013
at 10:08 AM

I will redress the balance for you ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 24, 2013
at 07:24 AM

feminists should shut the fuck up about male privilege

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 24, 2013
at 06:16 AM

Back to the cave John...

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:56 AM

You're right anonymous downvoter, my explanation doesn't make anyy sense. The answer is definitely kimchi.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on February 24, 2013
at 12:35 AM

did they include average life expectancies anywhere in the data?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on February 24, 2013
at 12:15 AM

I think at this point all we can do is speculate.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on February 23, 2013
at 07:17 PM

im guessing you're not a happy person

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on February 23, 2013
at 07:11 PM

whats wrong with women living longer?

4debe57f81d507bcb844f10b2ef38a83

(398)

on February 23, 2013
at 06:39 PM

This article, and its extensive comments, discuss the role of K2... comments mention both Kimchi and miso.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

(952)

on February 23, 2013
at 06:00 PM

That's what I expected as a first comment :) But I'm afraid things are a little more complicated than that. Although, French people also get a lot of K2 in a form of foie gras.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on February 23, 2013
at 05:23 PM

Also interesting that separated by gender, French women have the lowest heart disease.

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on February 23, 2013
at 11:33 PM

Kiribati has little health care. I have actually spent a week there once. The population has a lot of Coconut and fish. No or little refined foods. Very Paleoish.

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A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on February 24, 2013
at 04:26 AM

Given that Korean men don't have an exceptionally high life expectancy I'm gonna say it's because they die of other stuff like cancer, which is their leading cause of death.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

(952)

on February 24, 2013
at 10:34 AM

That's an interesting perspective, might be the case.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:56 AM

You're right anonymous downvoter, my explanation doesn't make anyy sense. The answer is definitely kimchi.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

(952)

on February 24, 2013
at 10:35 AM

Indeed, their cancer rates are far from perfect. http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/all-cancers/by-country/

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 24, 2013
at 10:08 AM

I will redress the balance for you ;)

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Fe0ce59b668667053521119e89c82571

(30)

on February 24, 2013
at 12:13 PM

I've been living in Seoul for 16 years. Korean men have high rates of stomache cancer and liver disease, etc. Add that to one of the highest suicide rates in the world, and a lung cancer rate that is still in the running, might help to diminish the rate of heart disease. I might also add that much fish is consumed and that explains there being much healthy fish oils, DHA, etc. The high amount of rice and lack of other grains in the diet might also be a clue as maybe there is less inflamation. (Wheat can cause inflamation, among other unhealthy problems.) Something to consider.

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on February 24, 2013
at 06:33 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_South_Korea This article claims at least 50% of south korean men smoke and 73% of smokers die of cancer

Abf0b6d5e20906f742fd600887292c15

(192)

on February 24, 2013
at 06:30 PM

Maybe it's the type of wheat. Past, bulgur and such is durum wheat which is more ancient type with less gluten

Medium avatar

(10601)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:07 PM

What I've seen of east Asia is very high wheat consumption in the form of noodles. There's a lot more there than in my dad's daily SAD sandwich.

7d46edca72c2f8347f65d7b734d1f1eb

on February 26, 2013
at 11:38 AM

dont they consume rice noodles?

2
92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

on February 23, 2013
at 05:51 PM

It's probably all the kimchi they are eating.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on February 24, 2013
at 12:15 AM

I think at this point all we can do is speculate.

4debe57f81d507bcb844f10b2ef38a83

(398)

on February 23, 2013
at 06:39 PM

This article, and its extensive comments, discuss the role of K2... comments mention both Kimchi and miso.

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

(952)

on February 23, 2013
at 06:00 PM

That's what I expected as a first comment :) But I'm afraid things are a little more complicated than that. Although, French people also get a lot of K2 in a form of foie gras.

1
Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

(4319)

on February 24, 2013
at 06:02 AM

It is off-the-wall amazing the enormous difference between males and females. I wish we all knew the reason. Plus, WTF are the Hungarians doing that is so harmful to heart-health?

Db4f4768f06e8e5cd95dffa536c2a9ab

(133)

on February 24, 2013
at 09:42 PM

http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/article00678.html

B121fdbc1aaa6130f5bda3bf84e3ba2d

(952)

on February 24, 2013
at 10:36 AM

True, that's an interesting question to ask. Hungary, Romania. Probably, typical things though: smoking, lack of exercise, stress and overall low standard of living (relatively, of course).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 24, 2013
at 07:24 AM

feminists should shut the fuck up about male privilege

Medium avatar

(10601)

on February 24, 2013
at 04:55 PM

It's a universal longevity advantage, irrespective of nationality. It could be partly genetics, but I think it's mostly social, learned behaviors. Women HAVE to survive or the children won't survive. Booze and drugs will kill a Janis Joplin the same as a Jim Morrison, but women generally avoid dangerous behaviors more than men. Further, there is the social expectation that men will take the risks; that they are shameful cowards if they don't.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on February 24, 2013
at 07:01 PM

I'm a fan of the hypothesis that menstruation is protective by preventing iron buildup. If you look at people who donate blood you see they often have greatly reduced heart disease.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 23, 2013
at 07:06 PM

god, its so striking how bad the natural, biological disadvantge males face in health and lifespan. it makes me blood boil when feminists talk about how privileged i am and how i need to donate to a charity to ight heart disease....in women only.

the new healthcare bill gives extra services for heart disease to women that men dont get. its bullshit

Medium avatar

(10601)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:05 PM

In a similar condition my Dr. put me on Zoloft to get my blood pressure down. Stress kills.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 24, 2013
at 06:16 AM

Back to the cave John...

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on February 23, 2013
at 07:17 PM

im guessing you're not a happy person

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on February 23, 2013
at 07:11 PM

whats wrong with women living longer?

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