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Can your erection quality/quantity/frequency best predict cardiovascular disease?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 30, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Despite the fact the smartest guy in Paleoworld (Kurt Harris) tells us to avoid the whole cholesterol screening thing,(I call it VAP Theater!) countless cholesterol questions appear on Paleohacks. I realize that it is hard to stand on the tracks while the conventional wisdom locomotive is bearing down on all of us.

I propose a new heart disease test. For the males: Since going paleo are your erections harder,thicker, and more frequent? If yes, I doubt you're developing Cardiovascular disease. If the micro arteries in the penis are getting more pliable, thus the harder erections, I can't fathom how the much larger arteries elsewhere are not doing the same.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Oh please no! I never get erections anymore, unless I do something for it. Should I increase carbs?

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

(837)

on December 09, 2011
at 06:54 AM

It's better to wake up next to it, in that case.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 09, 2011
at 05:32 AM

if I woke up with morning wood, I'd be really worried

Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

(3125)

on December 09, 2011
at 05:11 AM

zinc supplements are linked to increase prostate cancer and alzheimer's.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on November 01, 2011
at 04:09 AM

tons of studies are out there on morning wood and CV disease risk. Google scholar them.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 31, 2011
at 04:31 PM

"who were chronic exercisers and/or had eating disorders". I'm not a women, but I was starving myself last year and doing cardio like crazy. I just don't feel like taking yet another supplement. Oysters it is, then. If I can find a decent source.

50ebeeef39261e51e84324530ab95956

(110)

on October 31, 2011
at 04:10 PM

I'm 23, is my morning wood really an indicator for good health (Jeff, are there studies backing up what you say?), or is this normal at my age?

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(39821)

on October 31, 2011
at 03:07 AM

Geoff: No, most people coming from the SAD, especially if they were vegetarians of some sort recently have dug a pretty deep hole of zinc deficiency that they need to climb out of. It's actually especially so for women who were chronic exercisers and/or had eating disorders. Refilling the zinc pools can take a year *with supplements*. As such, it would take several years just eating what you should have been eating all along (meat that isn't in the presence of phytate).

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Someone can have great erections but have a heart attack, sometimes simultaneously. Kills the romance. The hypothesis would have to observe that everyone who ever has a heart attack also has impotence. Different arteries have different susceptibilities to atherosclerosis so just because one area is fine doesn't mean the others will. There are only a handful of areas that tend to develop atherosclerosis, and I don't think that the penis is one of them. But like I said, poor erection quality can be a big red flag since it is usually indicative of a nitric oxide deficiency.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 09:26 PM

Not really. Someone can have great erections but have a heart attack, sometimes simultaneously. Kills the romance. The hypothesis would have to observe that everyone who ever has a heart attack also has impotence. Different arteries have different susceptibilities to atherosclerosis so just because one area is fine doesn't mean the others will. There are only a handful of areas that tend to develop atherosclerosis, and I don't think that the penis is one of them. But like I said, poor erection quality can be a big red flag since it is usually indicative of a nitric oxide deficiency.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 09:23 PM

Not really. Someone can have great erections but have a heart attack, sometimes simultaneously. Kills the romance. The hypothesis would have to observe that everyone who ever has a heart attack also has impotence. Different arteries have different susceptibilities to atherosclerosis so just because one area is flowing well doesn't mean the others will.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on October 30, 2011
at 08:43 PM

Travis, I'm guessing since beef is a decent source of zinc that most paleo peeps have high enough zinc levels. Do you agree?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 30, 2011
at 08:00 PM

Stabby, thanks, but I would counter cvd is complicated, cv health is simply.Dosen't good blood flow somewhere in the body imply good blood flow any and everywhere in the body?

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:40 PM

yeah, waking up with morning wood is a very good way to judge virility

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(3029)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:37 PM

But at least you'll die happy.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on October 30, 2011
at 07:33 PM

There is no real way to know, cardiovascular health is very complicated with many factors. Too little copper and too much iron can cause cardiovascular disease even if everything else is great. But I clearly do think that the grandiosity of one's pleasure-rod is a good marker for one aspect of cardiovascular health. It doesn't work both ways, though. If limp dick, then probably a problem, but not necessarily if glorious dick then good cardiovascular health.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:31 PM

There is no real way to know, cardiovascular health is very complicated with many factors. Too little copper and too much iron can cause cardiovascular disease even if everything else is great. But I clearly do think that the grandiosity of one's pleasure-rod is a descent marker for one aspect of cardiovascular health.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Stabby, Your answers are always interesting, but reread the question. This is not a "Hack my limp dick" (No pun inteded) It's the opposite. Asked another way "Does a quality erection trump one , two or , several out of normal test score.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:17 PM

But i'm not using the "eye test" to prove disease, I'm using the test to indicate a level of health. A high quality erection would indicate we're driving down a road of health. NO?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Your "issue"was one of the main reasons I came up with this question. Tell me how a group of micro blood vessels can stay clear of sludge while big blood vessels can be gummed up. To me its' the same logic of" how can 190,000 years of human history be wrong"?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 06:56 PM

The Quilt 's leptin test is similar .Very high tech. "Look in the mirror". KGH 's CVD test . "Look in the mirror". My test dosn't even require a mirror!

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 30, 2011
at 06:38 PM

Yea this is probably the most pressing reason for me to stay on the boat

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:20 PM

It can be an indicator of a defect in nitric oxide metabolism. Nitric oxide is responsible for dilation of blood vessels and plays a big role in both cardiovascular health and the, erm, love-stick. It can be a substrate problem, simply too little arginine or nitrate from vegetables. Be sure to be getting enough nitrate from vegetables or arginine from food or supplements. It can also be a mechanistic problem and I'm not sure of the biochemistry of that, but it happens.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:00 PM

Stabby, thanks, but I would counter cvd is complicated, cv health is simply.Dosen't good blood flow somewhere in the body imply good blood flow any and everywhere in the body?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 09:23 PM

Not really. Someone can have great erections but have a heart attack, sometimes simultaneously. Kills the romance. The hypothesis would have to observe that everyone who ever has a heart attack also has impotence. Different arteries have different susceptibilities to atherosclerosis so just because one area is flowing well doesn't mean the others will.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Stabby, Your answers are always interesting, but reread the question. This is not a "Hack my limp dick" (No pun inteded) It's the opposite. Asked another way "Does a quality erection trump one , two or , several out of normal test score.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:33 PM

There is no real way to know, cardiovascular health is very complicated with many factors. Too little copper and too much iron can cause cardiovascular disease even if everything else is great. But I clearly do think that the grandiosity of one's pleasure-rod is a good marker for one aspect of cardiovascular health. It doesn't work both ways, though. If limp dick, then probably a problem, but not necessarily if glorious dick then good cardiovascular health.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:37 PM

But at least you'll die happy.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:31 PM

There is no real way to know, cardiovascular health is very complicated with many factors. Too little copper and too much iron can cause cardiovascular disease even if everything else is great. But I clearly do think that the grandiosity of one's pleasure-rod is a descent marker for one aspect of cardiovascular health.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 09:26 PM

Not really. Someone can have great erections but have a heart attack, sometimes simultaneously. Kills the romance. The hypothesis would have to observe that everyone who ever has a heart attack also has impotence. Different arteries have different susceptibilities to atherosclerosis so just because one area is fine doesn't mean the others will. There are only a handful of areas that tend to develop atherosclerosis, and I don't think that the penis is one of them. But like I said, poor erection quality can be a big red flag since it is usually indicative of a nitric oxide deficiency.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 30, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Someone can have great erections but have a heart attack, sometimes simultaneously. Kills the romance. The hypothesis would have to observe that everyone who ever has a heart attack also has impotence. Different arteries have different susceptibilities to atherosclerosis so just because one area is fine doesn't mean the others will. There are only a handful of areas that tend to develop atherosclerosis, and I don't think that the penis is one of them. But like I said, poor erection quality can be a big red flag since it is usually indicative of a nitric oxide deficiency.

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543ae0f06cde1a20a280ce3bdbc6a3de

on October 31, 2011
at 03:56 PM

I can't really tell how it applies to paleo eating at the moment. My penis is on an unscheduled meat fast diet right now. Although, I would think that erection problems could be caused by arterial disease, it can be cause by many other things also. Needless to say, if my penis wouldn't work for some reason I would probably think I had all kinds of problems and would try to do my best to eliminate possibilities with the most likely first. Statistically, that would be starting with psychological problems first.

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9b0a4701e373d4dd13831cfb9b13f42d

(1677)

on October 31, 2011
at 04:26 PM

Good question. My erections now are definately fuller and thicker (almost painful) and they feel like they are trying to burst through the skin. Its my opinion though it has a lot to do with my hormones being optimized now through a more healthey diet.

For about the last 7 years I had not been waking up in the morning with erections, I simply thought it was part of the aging process. Prior to 7 years ago I always did. Since going Paleo I have re established this trend.

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on October 30, 2011
at 07:10 PM

Better indication of zinc status (and thus testosterone level) than cardiovascular health. You're way down the road of atherosclerosis by the time it interferes with sexual health.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:17 PM

But i'm not using the "eye test" to prove disease, I'm using the test to indicate a level of health. A high quality erection would indicate we're driving down a road of health. NO?

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on October 30, 2011
at 08:43 PM

Travis, I'm guessing since beef is a decent source of zinc that most paleo peeps have high enough zinc levels. Do you agree?

Medium avatar

(39821)

on October 31, 2011
at 03:07 AM

Geoff: No, most people coming from the SAD, especially if they were vegetarians of some sort recently have dug a pretty deep hole of zinc deficiency that they need to climb out of. It's actually especially so for women who were chronic exercisers and/or had eating disorders. Refilling the zinc pools can take a year *with supplements*. As such, it would take several years just eating what you should have been eating all along (meat that isn't in the presence of phytate).

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on October 31, 2011
at 04:31 PM

"who were chronic exercisers and/or had eating disorders". I'm not a women, but I was starving myself last year and doing cardio like crazy. I just don't feel like taking yet another supplement. Oysters it is, then. If I can find a decent source.

Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

(3125)

on December 09, 2011
at 05:11 AM

zinc supplements are linked to increase prostate cancer and alzheimer's.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 30, 2011
at 06:59 PM

I hope the correct answer to your question is yes.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 30, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Your "issue"was one of the main reasons I came up with this question. Tell me how a group of micro blood vessels can stay clear of sludge while big blood vessels can be gummed up. To me its' the same logic of" how can 190,000 years of human history be wrong"?

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C7e3ba0ed51a6195ae022822a8f056ac

(673)

on December 09, 2011
at 07:01 PM

This is a hard question...

Would someone care to run some rigid, purely scientific, of course, tests with me?

n=1+you

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on December 09, 2011
at 06:07 AM

You be dissin my bone? You momma don't have no complaints.

Sorry, saw the word "erections" in the title, could not resist. Got zero emotional/social intelligence, big fan of Jonah Hill movies.

What was the question, exactly?

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Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

on December 09, 2011
at 05:09 AM

the young get nice morning wood, the older we get the less wood we get. if you got your morning wood back on the paleo diet lifestyle then you are growing younger and not older. sometimes we try to let science get in the way of what is staring us in the face. i mean come on people, just look in the mirror.

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on October 30, 2011
at 10:02 PM

I think the timing of unprovoked erections are also an indicator of good hormone status. Morning wood = Good!

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