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Hack my VAP Cholesterol Results, 1 YEAR PALEO

Commented on October 08, 2014
Created October 07, 2014 at 12:44 AM

Hello. just got VAP Cholesterol test after a standard one revealed high LDL, here are the results (H= high). 

VAP TM CHOLESTEROL

TOTAL LDL DIRECT 235 H 

TOTAL HDL DIRECT 91

TOTAL VLDL DIRECT 23 

SUM TOTAL CHOLESTEROL 350 H 

TRIGLYCERIDES DIRECT 80 

TOTAL apoB100 - CALC 154 H 

TOTAL NON HDL(LDL+VLDL) 258

 Lp(a) CHOLESTEROL 27.0 H

IDL CHOLESTEROL 24 H 

REAL LDL-C 184 H 

SUM TOTAL LDL-C 235 H

 

SUB CLASS INFORMATION A3

HDL-2 34 >10 mg/dL

HDL-3 57 >30 mg/dL

VLDL-3 14 H <10 mg/dL

I have been eating Paleo for a year now with lots of coconut oil, eggs, and grass-fed butter. I am 27 years old, 6ft 2in 157lbs. I rock climb have and 'on my feet job' and bike everywhere. I have a family history of heart disease on both sides. For comparison, here are the results from Last April. I was Paleo. Unfortunately at this time I had only used the standard cholesterol test:

April Blood Panel Results: Total cholesterol 294 mg/dL Triglycerides 83 mg/dL HDL cholesterol 91 mg/dL  LDL cholesterol 186 mg/dL

 

As you can see, my over cholesterol has gone up significantly since april. I am worried. I would love insight into that as well as the VAP results. . Thank you all!

Af679502f1e31c0c59c79bd08f324b35

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on October 08, 2014
at 05:49 PM

I personally find a more moderate approach works best for me... 40%F/40%C/20%P. Eggs are awesome but eating them every single day showed terrible lipid results. As soon as eggs and coconut oil were removed from my diet my results improved dramatically... Just saying 

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on October 08, 2014
at 05:03 PM

The OP has terrible lab results so there is certainly a need for a change. I gave him three possible suggestions to improve his numbers, one of which was a low carb approach. The low-carb approach I gave him has been shown to work so it is a good alternative to have at one's disposal. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how active someone is, a heart attack or stroke doesn't care how "good you feel" or how "athletic" you are, when it hits, it either kills or leaves the sufferer disabled. And to think that athetes are immune to heart attacks and strokes is very naive. Now, is it a sacrifice to change one's way of eating? Sure, I'll be the first to say I miss eating chocolate cake, but at the end of the day it's a sacrifice that will pay off in terms of a longer and healthier life without disabilities or chronic diseases. 

But then again in the end it's all about personal responsibility, we can eat whatever we like, but at the end of the day, we are the ones that have to deal with the consequences of those choices.

Af679502f1e31c0c59c79bd08f324b35

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on October 08, 2014
at 04:48 PM

There is no need to go that low on carbs if you sit on your ass all day maybe but 50g a day? 

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on October 08, 2014
at 04:35 PM

Well, it's one or the other, you know. We can't have it all lol. If you care more about performance than health then go for it, but you will continue having bad bloodwork numbers. It usually takes a traumatic or catastrophic event for people to change their priorities, like a heart attack for example.

By the way I find that the low carb = low energy myth is quite false. Maybe you just don't eat enough calories when you go low-carb. I have done plenty of endurance running (5+ miles a day) while low carb and never got tired. But then again I eat a lot of fat, mostly tons of olive oil, so I've never had that problem.

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on October 08, 2014
at 03:54 PM

Under 100 would be easy for me but under 50 is tough. I am VERY active. Not cross fit addition active. Active job and bike comuting, recreational rock climbing. Would i bonk on such low carbs

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on October 08, 2014
at 03:17 PM

Try to stay below 50g on most days, that seems to work pretty well for me. I got my cholestrol levels checked and they came in at 150mg/dl total with 61mg/dl being HDL and only 78mg/dl being LDL, and the trigs were pretty low too but I can't remember the exact value, I think it was around 40-50 mg/dl or something.

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on October 07, 2014
at 01:57 PM

What is a good 'grams of carbs p/day starting point

 

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on October 07, 2014
at 01:47 PM

Well, there's your problem....you can do either low-carb and high-fat or moderate-carb low-fat but high-fat (specially saturated) and high-carb is a recipe for disaster (which is why the average american diet is garbage). It doesn't matter if your carbs come from sweet potatoes and bananas, they are still going spike insulin and if you add an abundant amount of saturated fat to that (heavy cream, coconut oil and butter) you are going to get disastrous lab values.

You have several choices if you want to improve those numbers, Option 1: go truly low-carb and cut out the starches and sugars, Option 2. replace the saturated fat in your diet with monounsaturated fat (olive oil, nuts, avocados, etc.) or Option 3. go low-fat and replace starchy or sugary foods like bananas and white rice with fibrous fruits and vegetables like broccoli, rutabagas, turnips, tomatoes, etc.

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on October 07, 2014
at 02:19 AM

100 -120 grams carbs, (banana, sweet pot., white rice, occational date) Heavy cream in morning coffee, 20 grams grass fed whey p/day

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on October 07, 2014
at 01:29 AM

are you low carb and dairy?

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Af679502f1e31c0c59c79bd08f324b35

on October 08, 2014
at 01:23 AM

I get 100-120 grams of fat a day and 200-250 gram of carbs a day from fruit and sweet potato and I just had another lipid panel done... My total was 191, LDL 107, HDL 84 and trigs were 48.

Af679502f1e31c0c59c79bd08f324b35

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on October 08, 2014
at 05:50 PM

I don't limit saturated fat I typically eat 30-45g a day of saturated fat from butter, and meat 

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on October 08, 2014
at 03:24 AM

low fat higher carb method? Where your fats saturated?

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Af679502f1e31c0c59c79bd08f324b35

on October 08, 2014
at 01:19 AM

Cut back on the coconut oil and adding ridiculous amounts of fat... I too had high LDL according to my VAP total was 279 with 81 HDL. Eat fatty cuts of protein, add minimal amounts of fat and eat tons of vegetables and fruit. Im sorry but "paleo" is not about taking tablespoons of fat to the face.

Af679502f1e31c0c59c79bd08f324b35

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on October 08, 2014
at 04:02 PM

As Active as you are you should not be limiting carbs 

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

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on October 08, 2014
at 03:31 AM

Darn eggs are so easy and fast. I will try a lowish carb (around 100) no egg month. Is one month to short for a retest

 

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

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on October 08, 2014
at 03:31 AM

Darn eggs are so easy and fast. I will try a lowish carb (around 100) no egg month. Is one month to short for a retest

 

Af679502f1e31c0c59c79bd08f324b35

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on October 08, 2014
at 02:48 AM

Cut out the eggs and watch your LDL drop... I developed an allergy after consuming 3-6 eggs a day for 18 months and then I retested and wow I feel much more comfortable with my 191 total. 

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

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on October 08, 2014
at 02:25 AM

no stranger to paleo. I am doing some food longin now just to see where i am at.  but i dont drown things in butter, snack on coco oil and, wash in down with BP coffee. That is why i was surprised by these results

 

 

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