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When will America get it? A&F CEO doesn't offer XL sizes to girls.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 09, 2013 at 11:14 PM

I've seen it on CNBC and several Facebook posts about this. Basically the CEO of Abercrombie and fitch doesn't offer XL sizes to girls but offers them to boys who may be athletes. He says his brand tends to market to "cool" people and says that companies that try to target people who are : young, old, fat, and skinny become "vanilla" (I'm guessing a company that doesn't offer exclusivity)

This has outraged many people.

It seems like a lot of people not only want their cake and want to eat it too. But want someone to bake it for them, cut it for them, and serve it to them. A lot of bigger people wonder why their bigger and blame it on their "genes" or "metabolism." That doesn't mean that you sit around and do nothing about it and I agree some people are a less fortunate than others, but then they shun others for having the image that someone who is fit as a desirable characteristic. Everyone's different we all have different genes, If someone is short they usually have to work harder at a sport to perform just as well at the next guy etc. They don't give you a handicap or start you off with more points than the other guy. If you have bad genes, you have to eat healthier and exercise more than the rest of the population. If your one of the few that has done that and still don't see results your one of the FEW, I'm talking about most people here.

My point is, it's a free market, marketers market to all sorts of types of people and its legal as it should be. Commercials can choose if they want a 5'11 white male in their commercial or a 5'6 black woman. Humanity has had ideal characteristics way since the caveman era, you don't think the woman of the village wanted to bang that skinny weak guy who couldn't even kill prancing deer frolicking in the garden? No she wanted the muscular alpha male that killed that raging buffalo thats the size of my dads lifted Chevy 1500HD silverado and provided food for the whole tribe. Actually I saw on the national geographic channel that there was a tribe where fat people were idealized, why isn't that scrutinized? As long as your not hurting someone, it should be fine. And don't tell me these peoples feelings are hurt. Because then thats a whole different topic which gets into things like parenting kids that understand clothes don't mean everything.

When will America accept that being healthy and fit is something that everyone should strive for?

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:55 PM

I go to texas tech but am kind of from close to the Austin area. Texas tech has a great place on campus that sells meat locally raised here

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:16 PM

@meiling I think their is a direct correlation between body size and healthiness. Just as you can be overweight you can be underweight too. And there are ALWAYS exceptions. And thank you for your second point about GAP does that mean moms and outraged people should stop their children/self stop shopping at these name brand stores and buy Walmart clothes?

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:12 PM

@stephenross yea your right Americans are allowed to vote with their dollar, I just think moms that are over sensitive about the topic indirectly are artificially affecting demand from the direct consumer. I'm sure there's more moms than dads saying you can't wear those clothes son/daughter because they don't have XL sizes for girls...

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 03:47 PM

"When will America accept that being healthy and fit is something that everyone should strive for?"... It's right there...

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:03 PM

A friend of mine worked at a GAP and one of Williams sisters walked in and could not fit into a single pair of underwear. How is that supporting fitness?

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:02 PM

...in the 'cool crowd' and 'cool fat' people. How is this different? You imply that if you're fat, you cannot be labelled with your (very static) definition of cool.

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:01 PM

What doesn't sit well with me is your frightening illogical jump from 'this is the number on the tag of my shirt' equals 'this is my body's state of health.' You seem to think there is a direct correlation, when this is absolutely false. I size 12 (not sold by A&F) may be an extremely fit athletic, albeit large-framed woman, and a size 2 may be an awfully underweight 6ft girl with an eating disorder. Point is, you don't know and CAN'T ASSUME. I think bigoted is a perfect way to describe your point of view, illuminated perfectly by your comment trying to make the difference between people...

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on May 10, 2013
at 12:06 PM

@Texas, "The whole point is how exercising and eating right is something Americans can strive for, how is that not a paleo question". Well for starters I don't see a question mark..

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 10, 2013
at 11:33 AM

Texas, people are free to think and act and outrage and spend their dollars supporting whatever ideas and organizations they want. Half your posts make it sound like the US government is about to pass some sort of legislation making it illegal to sell just skinny girl clothes, but they aren't. If I have the right to sell to certain demographics then other demographics have the right to be upset ffs. If these companies want to sell to cool kids though and not just wealthy ones then they should stop selling skinny guy clothes too, everyone knows muscular guys are cooler.

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on May 10, 2013
at 10:03 AM

Ha thanks, yea most companies have something going on brand positioning and buyer psychology is crazy (in healthy and unhealthy ways). By the way, what part of Texas are you in? I'm from Austin, but live in Denton (DFW area), trying to find the best shops and places to buy paleo friendly stuff.

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on May 10, 2013
at 07:23 AM

Oh, this you mean, "If you have some better relation between BMI etc and healthiness, please do explain. And explain to me why DOCTORS go by it as well." I see. That was to someone else, which is why I didn;t answer it. The BMI was invented by Adolphe Quetelet, a 19th century Polymath. This article will quite answer the rest of that http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106268439 and there are better ways of determining fatness and health.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 10, 2013
at 07:05 AM

See, this is where you are confused, because bigotry is about disparaging or assuming specific characteristics about people based on something either outside of their control, or not proven to actually be indicative of personal qualities. I am saying you're bigotted and classist from what you are expressing, voluntarily, in this forum. Those views are completely under your control and are completely indicative of your personal qualities. The rest of your comment makes no sense, but I completely trust that you won't explain it, because you are "done" and "out".

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 06:46 AM

You are "someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's..or other status" and that would be me, in your mind, (someone who expresses their opinion with a negative connotation towards overweight people). Here is one example of my REASONING you have yet to rebuttal with"BMI etc and healthiness, please do explain. And explain to me why DOCTORS go by it as well". I'm offering shedding this light on you, but your so narrow minded, you disregard it with name calling and emotions - texas210 OUT

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 10, 2013
at 06:33 AM

You aren't logical. You are greatly mistaken. And you still don't understand bigotry, as it *isn't* about disagreeing with someone. You have shone a light on nothing, and have not used any reasoning, but you do not have the rhetorical development to realise that.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 06:24 AM

Hmm that web link perfectly describes you "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."[1] but I'm done here. Your obviously emotionally involved that it is preventing you from concentratin on logical points. Name calling instead of valid reasoning is a prime example. I wish you well though.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:59 AM

That's funny, as I am not feeling emotional at all. You are taking concise language and directness and disagreement as emotion. I also don't think you know what bigot means, so here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry You also appear to be classist.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:53 AM

Here is my analogy of that; we have two gardens right next to each other both starting out as normal grass and flowers, I water mine everyday and let them get adequate sunlight and you don't. I don't care, but when you come at me for loving my garden with growing flowers and lushes grass is when I think it's not right

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:52 AM

I think you biggoted for a narrow mind, I'm open for discussion and debate. Not rants that are fueled by overexcited emotions. I have nothing against bigger people, not even anything against bigger people who don't help themselves, but bigger people who don't help themselves then come outraging at people who are thinner.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:30 AM

I am not flip flopping, I'm being sarcastic. I think lots of people should do work in their community for free, but YOU shouldn't be teaching young girls anything. Because I think you're bigotted, from what you wrote. "People complain and the govt makes it illegal" are you a Rush Limbaugh troll? Because that's how it seems. Paranoia aside, that still doesn't change the actual meaning of free market.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:26 AM

+1 for having a civil conversation and not going crazy. I think society gets that point across but I don't see those people making changes. I'm not sure if a nice tone makes a difference if people change to a healthy lifestyle or not but do agree that people should go about it in the civil way you mentioned

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:12 AM

Love your Ferrari comment. It's to people who are "outraged at this" as I said in your post. I say just let people be. I'm almost certain there are other companies that don't have plus sizes

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:07 AM

You clearly said "you" and "you'd" so now your flip flopping. And my good friend actually started a non profit that helps impoverished kids that can't afford sports. And I fully support him. Still doesnt mean he should do stuff for free. And that's where it starts, people complain and the government makes it illegal. I support people standing up for rights but in this case I don't agree. Companies should be market to a specific audience

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:51 AM

There's a big gap between the message "your life would be better if you weren't obese" and "shame on you, you don't deserve to look nice, you don't deserve to be treated well, your body is bad and you should feel bad." Nobody's perfect, and I'm not inclined to deny privileges or pleasures to people because one of their imperfections is being fat.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:48 AM

"You people who think people should do stuff for free." First, I don't want you to do stuff for free, because I don't actually want YOU teaching girls about nutrition and body image. I do think the state should offer these things, even if the only reason is that is saves the govt money in the end. And as for what America is 4 *rolls eyes* I'm Canadian, so I could not be less impressed with that sentiment. Keep thinking there's a level economic playing field there, it's going well. Free market doesn't mean, free to sell crap with no comment from others, it means free from govt control,

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:40 AM

I agree. And not because of their size - the style is just atrocious. I can take any cheap rag, put A&F on it and - it magically becomes beautiful? They are good quality, but an eyesore. Nothing to be seen in public - for home use only.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:37 AM

Wow. Some 16 year olds have big frames and some small. Some adult women are really big framed, and some small. By the time I was fifteen. I was 5'10" which is my height now. An athletic 16 year old girl can very well be 5'10" and a size 14.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 03:38 AM

Yet it has "nothing to do with it" your premise is undoubtedly false, as it does have something to do. You may be in denial yourslef

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 03:36 AM

Please tell me which doesn't "sit well" I'm always open to a great debate. And I said before in my post I'm talking about the majority of healthy fit people aren't "fat". If you have some better relation between BMI etc and healthiness, please do explain. And explain to me why DOCTORS go by it as well

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:55 AM

I feel there's so much that doesn't sit right with texas210's rebuttals. Healthiness has nothing to do with what size you are, which is what A&F are promoting. That in itself is reason to be offended with their policy. "That's what americas (sic) about" is just as disturbing.

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:45 AM

Interesting perspective crowbar, I'm not familiar with what size 10 women look like exactly as I'm not a cross dresser so it's interesting seeing a different take on this situation, +1.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:42 AM

I obviously don't wear them anymore, I'm in college. But I only bought one shirt for them where you could hardly see the logo, it was light gray on a white polo, so I don't have some sort of associative namebrand interest here. I just support marketers free choice without facing such scrutiny Sincerely -Your free market capitalist

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:36 AM

3. You totally contradict yourself in the 3rd paragraph! Thats exactly what I'm talking about!! Having your free cake and eating it too you said "If you actually gave a rat's ass about anyone's weight, you'd be organising sports and nutrition education, for free" you people (people who think other people should automatically do stuff for free) think everything should be handed too them. Why can't it be non-profit, or no why can't it be for profit?That's what americas about 4. A&F was talking about "cool" as in popular, not your idea of "cool fat" people.The same way hot topic markets to goths

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:31 AM

1. You indirectly contradict yourself, A&F markets too teens I don't think you have the frame of a 16 year old, I'm assuming your an adult, and so a size 10 to a 16 year old is a lot different for a size 10 too an adult 2. That's great you eat right and exercise! That's what my whole post is all about no need to have such a defensive tone

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on May 10, 2013
at 01:41 AM

+1 for "young people that show up and ask to be thinner. This is why..." Same for adults. For years I was a 14. The crotches of all the pants were down to my knees, the armholes were the size of dinner plates. As though just because I had an extra 2 inches in my waist I was suddenly 400 lb. The entire fashion industry caters to tall, thin women. (Not too skinny either, or too short). However, I do believe in a (somewhat) free market, so THEIR LOSS. Whoever figures out how to make gorgeous clothes for real women (and teens) could rake in some serious dough.

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on May 10, 2013
at 01:39 AM

..I think I'm in love

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on May 10, 2013
at 12:19 AM

lol USians are funny.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 12:02 AM

That's my point they don't care then scrutinize fit people for idealizing being fit. Like my comment earlier they want their cake and eat it too they want to eat whatever they want then be apart of the group as well

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 09, 2013
at 11:51 PM

The whole point is how exercising and eating right is something Americans can strive for, how is that not a paleo question

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on May 09, 2013
at 11:42 PM

lol, for what it's worth I didn't vote it off topic. I agree with where you're coming from, though I only made it through your first paragraph or so. But I could see how this could be off topic/argumentative/not a real question. It's interesting, but probably still not a paleo question.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 09, 2013
at 11:38 PM

Someone voted this off topic? Since when is being healthy off-topic for paleo? I feel like many people have this mindset that if they aren't invited to the party that the party is all of sudden scrutinized(metaphor). It's not a good mindset to have, some people just need to let stuff go. It bothers them so much it does more harm for them

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on May 10, 2013
at 01:29 AM

You know, I shouldn't have to do this, but here goes.

Having a very influential teen brand name say that size 10 is the biggest a woman should be is dangerous and ignorant. Yes, size 10. I exercise and eat a good diet and have lost over a hundred pounds. I am very fit. And I am a size 14-16. I would have to stop weight lifting and starve to be a size ten, so it isn't "fit" women they are selling to, it's skinny women, and I would expect Paleo hackers to know the difference.

And they are selling specifically to teens. So often I see complaints on here about the weight obsessed young people that show up and ask how to be thinner. This is why. This is exactly why they are doing that. And posturing with so much bluster that promoting size 10 as the biggest a woman should be seen as some sort of free market privilege is just washing your hands of the responsibility of sending a message to young girls and women to be healthy, not skinny, healthy.

And further, your whole comment is just bigotted (Have your cake and eat it too is funny, eh?)And comes across as moralising, not concern for their weight, or anything else. If you actually gave a rat's ass about anyone's weight, you'd be organising sports and nutrition education, for free, and fighting for food access, better wages, the whole bit that affects what and how people eat.

Damn right fat people were mad for not being treated like, you know, people. Which they are. I know many cool fat people. Saying their weight is what makes or prevents young girls from being "cool" is ignorant and irresponsible, not laissez-faire capitalism.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 03:36 AM

Please tell me which doesn't "sit well" I'm always open to a great debate. And I said before in my post I'm talking about the majority of healthy fit people aren't "fat". If you have some better relation between BMI etc and healthiness, please do explain. And explain to me why DOCTORS go by it as well

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:31 AM

1. You indirectly contradict yourself, A&F markets too teens I don't think you have the frame of a 16 year old, I'm assuming your an adult, and so a size 10 to a 16 year old is a lot different for a size 10 too an adult 2. That's great you eat right and exercise! That's what my whole post is all about no need to have such a defensive tone

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 10, 2013
at 11:33 AM

Texas, people are free to think and act and outrage and spend their dollars supporting whatever ideas and organizations they want. Half your posts make it sound like the US government is about to pass some sort of legislation making it illegal to sell just skinny girl clothes, but they aren't. If I have the right to sell to certain demographics then other demographics have the right to be upset ffs. If these companies want to sell to cool kids though and not just wealthy ones then they should stop selling skinny guy clothes too, everyone knows muscular guys are cooler.

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on May 10, 2013
at 01:41 AM

+1 for "young people that show up and ask to be thinner. This is why..." Same for adults. For years I was a 14. The crotches of all the pants were down to my knees, the armholes were the size of dinner plates. As though just because I had an extra 2 inches in my waist I was suddenly 400 lb. The entire fashion industry caters to tall, thin women. (Not too skinny either, or too short). However, I do believe in a (somewhat) free market, so THEIR LOSS. Whoever figures out how to make gorgeous clothes for real women (and teens) could rake in some serious dough.

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:01 PM

What doesn't sit well with me is your frightening illogical jump from 'this is the number on the tag of my shirt' equals 'this is my body's state of health.' You seem to think there is a direct correlation, when this is absolutely false. I size 12 (not sold by A&F) may be an extremely fit athletic, albeit large-framed woman, and a size 2 may be an awfully underweight 6ft girl with an eating disorder. Point is, you don't know and CAN'T ASSUME. I think bigoted is a perfect way to describe your point of view, illuminated perfectly by your comment trying to make the difference between people...

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:12 PM

@stephenross yea your right Americans are allowed to vote with their dollar, I just think moms that are over sensitive about the topic indirectly are artificially affecting demand from the direct consumer. I'm sure there's more moms than dads saying you can't wear those clothes son/daughter because they don't have XL sizes for girls...

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:55 AM

I feel there's so much that doesn't sit right with texas210's rebuttals. Healthiness has nothing to do with what size you are, which is what A&F are promoting. That in itself is reason to be offended with their policy. "That's what americas (sic) about" is just as disturbing.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:36 AM

3. You totally contradict yourself in the 3rd paragraph! Thats exactly what I'm talking about!! Having your free cake and eating it too you said "If you actually gave a rat's ass about anyone's weight, you'd be organising sports and nutrition education, for free" you people (people who think other people should automatically do stuff for free) think everything should be handed too them. Why can't it be non-profit, or no why can't it be for profit?That's what americas about 4. A&F was talking about "cool" as in popular, not your idea of "cool fat" people.The same way hot topic markets to goths

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:53 AM

Here is my analogy of that; we have two gardens right next to each other both starting out as normal grass and flowers, I water mine everyday and let them get adequate sunlight and you don't. I don't care, but when you come at me for loving my garden with growing flowers and lushes grass is when I think it's not right

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 06:24 AM

Hmm that web link perfectly describes you "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."[1] but I'm done here. Your obviously emotionally involved that it is preventing you from concentratin on logical points. Name calling instead of valid reasoning is a prime example. I wish you well though.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 06:46 AM

You are "someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's..or other status" and that would be me, in your mind, (someone who expresses their opinion with a negative connotation towards overweight people). Here is one example of my REASONING you have yet to rebuttal with"BMI etc and healthiness, please do explain. And explain to me why DOCTORS go by it as well". I'm offering shedding this light on you, but your so narrow minded, you disregard it with name calling and emotions - texas210 OUT

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:07 AM

You clearly said "you" and "you'd" so now your flip flopping. And my good friend actually started a non profit that helps impoverished kids that can't afford sports. And I fully support him. Still doesnt mean he should do stuff for free. And that's where it starts, people complain and the government makes it illegal. I support people standing up for rights but in this case I don't agree. Companies should be market to a specific audience

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:03 PM

A friend of mine worked at a GAP and one of Williams sisters walked in and could not fit into a single pair of underwear. How is that supporting fitness?

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 03:38 AM

Yet it has "nothing to do with it" your premise is undoubtedly false, as it does have something to do. You may be in denial yourslef

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on May 10, 2013
at 06:33 AM

You aren't logical. You are greatly mistaken. And you still don't understand bigotry, as it *isn't* about disagreeing with someone. You have shone a light on nothing, and have not used any reasoning, but you do not have the rhetorical development to realise that.

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on May 10, 2013
at 01:39 AM

..I think I'm in love

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 10, 2013
at 07:05 AM

See, this is where you are confused, because bigotry is about disparaging or assuming specific characteristics about people based on something either outside of their control, or not proven to actually be indicative of personal qualities. I am saying you're bigotted and classist from what you are expressing, voluntarily, in this forum. Those views are completely under your control and are completely indicative of your personal qualities. The rest of your comment makes no sense, but I completely trust that you won't explain it, because you are "done" and "out".

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 10, 2013
at 07:23 AM

Oh, this you mean, "If you have some better relation between BMI etc and healthiness, please do explain. And explain to me why DOCTORS go by it as well." I see. That was to someone else, which is why I didn;t answer it. The BMI was invented by Adolphe Quetelet, a 19th century Polymath. This article will quite answer the rest of that http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106268439 and there are better ways of determining fatness and health.

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:30 AM

I am not flip flopping, I'm being sarcastic. I think lots of people should do work in their community for free, but YOU shouldn't be teaching young girls anything. Because I think you're bigotted, from what you wrote. "People complain and the govt makes it illegal" are you a Rush Limbaugh troll? Because that's how it seems. Paranoia aside, that still doesn't change the actual meaning of free market.

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:59 AM

That's funny, as I am not feeling emotional at all. You are taking concise language and directness and disagreement as emotion. I also don't think you know what bigot means, so here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry You also appear to be classist.

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:48 AM

"You people who think people should do stuff for free." First, I don't want you to do stuff for free, because I don't actually want YOU teaching girls about nutrition and body image. I do think the state should offer these things, even if the only reason is that is saves the govt money in the end. And as for what America is 4 *rolls eyes* I'm Canadian, so I could not be less impressed with that sentiment. Keep thinking there's a level economic playing field there, it's going well. Free market doesn't mean, free to sell crap with no comment from others, it means free from govt control,

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:02 PM

...in the 'cool crowd' and 'cool fat' people. How is this different? You imply that if you're fat, you cannot be labelled with your (very static) definition of cool.

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:16 PM

@meiling I think their is a direct correlation between body size and healthiness. Just as you can be overweight you can be underweight too. And there are ALWAYS exceptions. And thank you for your second point about GAP does that mean moms and outraged people should stop their children/self stop shopping at these name brand stores and buy Walmart clothes?

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:45 AM

Interesting perspective crowbar, I'm not familiar with what size 10 women look like exactly as I'm not a cross dresser so it's interesting seeing a different take on this situation, +1.

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:37 AM

Wow. Some 16 year olds have big frames and some small. Some adult women are really big framed, and some small. By the time I was fifteen. I was 5'10" which is my height now. An athletic 16 year old girl can very well be 5'10" and a size 14.

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:52 AM

I think you biggoted for a narrow mind, I'm open for discussion and debate. Not rants that are fueled by overexcited emotions. I have nothing against bigger people, not even anything against bigger people who don't help themselves, but bigger people who don't help themselves then come outraging at people who are thinner.

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:40 AM

Being a marketing major, it's just part of their brand management. They want a youthful healthy target segment. Not saying people can't be "pleasantly plump", but if they control the sizes, they get a better chance of "controlling" who wears their clothes, and lets face most brand name clothes are just billboards to brands.

Ferrari doesn't do minivans, A&F doesn't do plus size. Your post is kind of confusing, it seems to go from shame on a company for making a profit selling what it wants, to fat people should be healthier? Who you mad at here?

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on May 10, 2013
at 10:03 AM

Ha thanks, yea most companies have something going on brand positioning and buyer psychology is crazy (in healthy and unhealthy ways). By the way, what part of Texas are you in? I'm from Austin, but live in Denton (DFW area), trying to find the best shops and places to buy paleo friendly stuff.

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:12 AM

Love your Ferrari comment. It's to people who are "outraged at this" as I said in your post. I say just let people be. I'm almost certain there are other companies that don't have plus sizes

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:55 PM

I go to texas tech but am kind of from close to the Austin area. Texas tech has a great place on campus that sells meat locally raised here

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:59 AM

First of all, no one's saying it should be illegal for A&F to limit the sizes it offers. They're saying they don't like it. Businesses being able to do what they want is one half of a free market -- the other half is consumers being able to tell businesses what they want them to do, and vote with their dollars.

For the second point, let's leave aside the argument over whether sizes 10+ are actually unhealthy or abnormal. Let's talk about selling clothes to people who are definitely obese. Should we refuse to cater to them as a way of sending the message that their body shape is undesirable?

There's a big difference between the message "your life would be better if you weren't obese" and "shame on you, you don't deserve to look nice, you don't deserve to be treated well, your body is bad and you should feel bad." Nobody's perfect, and I'm not inclined to deny privileges or pleasures to people because one of their imperfections is being fat.

Or to put it more simply: I've been fat. I've gotten the messages that I'm a comical freak and not fit to participate in society. I've gotten the cruelty couched in helpful advice and societal nudges. It may push some people into changing, but it's nasty and dehumanizing and not worth it.

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on May 10, 2013
at 05:26 AM

+1 for having a civil conversation and not going crazy. I think society gets that point across but I don't see those people making changes. I'm not sure if a nice tone makes a difference if people change to a healthy lifestyle or not but do agree that people should go about it in the civil way you mentioned

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:02 AM

Their clothes suck anyway

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on May 10, 2013
at 02:42 AM

I obviously don't wear them anymore, I'm in college. But I only bought one shirt for them where you could hardly see the logo, it was light gray on a white polo, so I don't have some sort of associative namebrand interest here. I just support marketers free choice without facing such scrutiny Sincerely -Your free market capitalist

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:40 AM

I agree. And not because of their size - the style is just atrocious. I can take any cheap rag, put A&F on it and - it magically becomes beautiful? They are good quality, but an eyesore. Nothing to be seen in public - for home use only.

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on May 09, 2013
at 11:43 PM

I think a lot of (if not most) people really don't care all that much about how what they eat affects their body. Is that sad? Maybe to us... But in the end it's their body and they can strive for whatever they want to. If they want to balloon up by eating wonderbread and sitting on the couch, let them! Eventually they'll be wondering why us paleo kids look so lean ;)

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on May 10, 2013
at 12:02 AM

That's my point they don't care then scrutinize fit people for idealizing being fit. Like my comment earlier they want their cake and eat it too they want to eat whatever they want then be apart of the group as well

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on May 10, 2013
at 04:51 AM

"A lot of bigger people wonder why their bigger and blame it on their "genes" or "metabolism." " The biggest problem is they get the wrong information!!! That's why we have an obesity epidemic. People are told to stuff themselves full of 'healthy whole grains' day in day out. And look where we are as a country. Obesity and just about every disease imaginable are on the rise. I think many obese people try very, very hard to eat what they think are healthy foods, and then finally just give up.

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