I've seen it on CNBC and several Facebook posts about this. Basically the CEO of Abercrombie and fitch doesn't offer XL sizes to girls but offers them to boys who may be athletes. He says his brand tends to market to "cool" people and says that companies that try to target people who are : young, old, fat, and skinny become "vanilla" (I'm guessing a company that doesn't offer exclusivity)
This has outraged many people.
It seems like a lot of people not only want their cake and want to eat it too. But want someone to bake it for them, cut it for them, and serve it to them. A lot of bigger people wonder why their bigger and blame it on their "genes" or "metabolism." That doesn't mean that you sit around and do nothing about it and I agree some people are a less fortunate than others, but then they shun others for having the image that someone who is fit as a desirable characteristic. Everyone's different we all have different genes, If someone is short they usually have to work harder at a sport to perform just as well at the next guy etc. They don't give you a handicap or start you off with more points than the other guy. If you have bad genes, you have to eat healthier and exercise more than the rest of the population. If your one of the few that has done that and still don't see results your one of the FEW, I'm talking about most people here.
My point is, it's a free market, marketers market to all sorts of types of people and its legal as it should be. Commercials can choose if they want a 5'11 white male in their commercial or a 5'6 black woman. Humanity has had ideal characteristics way since the caveman era, you don't think the woman of the village wanted to bang that skinny weak guy who couldn't even kill prancing deer frolicking in the garden? No she wanted the muscular alpha male that killed that raging buffalo thats the size of my dads lifted Chevy 1500HD silverado and provided food for the whole tribe. Actually I saw on the national geographic channel that there was a tribe where fat people were idealized, why isn't that scrutinized? As long as your not hurting someone, it should be fine. And don't tell me these peoples feelings are hurt. Because then thats a whole different topic which gets into things like parenting kids that understand clothes don't mean everything.
When will America accept that being healthy and fit is something that everyone should strive for?
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on May 10, 2013
at 01:29 AM
You know, I shouldn't have to do this, but here goes.
Having a very influential teen brand name say that size 10 is the biggest a woman should be is dangerous and ignorant. Yes, size 10. I exercise and eat a good diet and have lost over a hundred pounds. I am very fit. And I am a size 14-16. I would have to stop weight lifting and starve to be a size ten, so it isn't "fit" women they are selling to, it's skinny women, and I would expect Paleo hackers to know the difference.
And they are selling specifically to teens. So often I see complaints on here about the weight obsessed young people that show up and ask how to be thinner. This is why. This is exactly why they are doing that. And posturing with so much bluster that promoting size 10 as the biggest a woman should be seen as some sort of free market privilege is just washing your hands of the responsibility of sending a message to young girls and women to be healthy, not skinny, healthy.
And further, your whole comment is just bigotted (Have your cake and eat it too is funny, eh?)And comes across as moralising, not concern for their weight, or anything else. If you actually gave a rat's ass about anyone's weight, you'd be organising sports and nutrition education, for free, and fighting for food access, better wages, the whole bit that affects what and how people eat.
Damn right fat people were mad for not being treated like, you know, people. Which they are. I know many cool fat people. Saying their weight is what makes or prevents young girls from being "cool" is ignorant and irresponsible, not laissez-faire capitalism.
on May 10, 2013
at 04:40 AM
Being a marketing major, it's just part of their brand management. They want a youthful healthy target segment. Not saying people can't be "pleasantly plump", but if they control the sizes, they get a better chance of "controlling" who wears their clothes, and lets face most brand name clothes are just billboards to brands.
Ferrari doesn't do minivans, A&F doesn't do plus size. Your post is kind of confusing, it seems to go from shame on a company for making a profit selling what it wants, to fat people should be healthier? Who you mad at here?
on May 10, 2013
at 04:59 AM
First of all, no one's saying it should be illegal for A&F to limit the sizes it offers. They're saying they don't like it. Businesses being able to do what they want is one half of a free market -- the other half is consumers being able to tell businesses what they want them to do, and vote with their dollars.
For the second point, let's leave aside the argument over whether sizes 10+ are actually unhealthy or abnormal. Let's talk about selling clothes to people who are definitely obese. Should we refuse to cater to them as a way of sending the message that their body shape is undesirable?
There's a big difference between the message "your life would be better if you weren't obese" and "shame on you, you don't deserve to look nice, you don't deserve to be treated well, your body is bad and you should feel bad." Nobody's perfect, and I'm not inclined to deny privileges or pleasures to people because one of their imperfections is being fat.
Or to put it more simply: I've been fat. I've gotten the messages that I'm a comical freak and not fit to participate in society. I've gotten the cruelty couched in helpful advice and societal nudges. It may push some people into changing, but it's nasty and dehumanizing and not worth it.
on May 09, 2013
at 11:43 PM
I think a lot of (if not most) people really don't care all that much about how what they eat affects their body. Is that sad? Maybe to us... But in the end it's their body and they can strive for whatever they want to. If they want to balloon up by eating wonderbread and sitting on the couch, let them! Eventually they'll be wondering why us paleo kids look so lean ;)
on May 10, 2013
at 04:51 AM
"A lot of bigger people wonder why their bigger and blame it on their "genes" or "metabolism." " The biggest problem is they get the wrong information!!! That's why we have an obesity epidemic. People are told to stuff themselves full of 'healthy whole grains' day in day out. And look where we are as a country. Obesity and just about every disease imaginable are on the rise. I think many obese people try very, very hard to eat what they think are healthy foods, and then finally just give up.