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hack my gallbladder?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 30, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Okay so yesterday I eat my usual Paleo dinner of pressure cooked grass fed sirloin and farmer's market potatoes with Kerrygold butter. I decide to pop a couple squares of dark chocolate for dessert since it's the holidays and all and I've been a good little girl. Not even 15 minutes later, I am in massive pain. Like cursing the world, pain shooting from the right side of my abdomen, spreading into my stomach area, clear up to just around my sternum. OMG, I thought I was dying. I felt the sudden urge to belch and was so nauseous like I had to barf but nothing would come out. I did manage to go #2, but even that was difficult because I felt so bloated and my abdomen was distended too from I'm guessing gas. The pain was unbearable though and my belly was tender.

So, the fiance rushes me to the ER, where I get stuck for 12 hours. Yes SoCal sucks for healthcare ladies and gents. I tell the doc, I think it's my gallbladder and he presses on my abdomen and I tell him "don't do that or I'll karate chop you!".

So what gives? I've been Paleo/Primal (which I say because I have higher fat days and lower fat days and I like to rotate between the two based on how my body tells me) for over 6 months now. Shouldn't my happy fat digestive system be adjusted by now?! My labs have all been stellar for the last 3 months. Good cholesterol is good, bad cholesterol #'s are good, electrolytes are great, blah, blah...the labs they did last night showed my liver enzymes were high and my kidney numbers were high too. The doc told me to drink more water and rest. Oh and don't eat so much meat. Yeah, buddy, like that'll happen :) I'm one confused Paleo gal right now... I don't want to have to consider having gallbladder surgery later on down the road, because I'm really enjoying the other benefits of Paleo. So should I go lower fat primarily? I'll even post a typical day so you can see how I eat.

Breakfast - two eggs overeasy, breakfast meat of choice (i.e. 2-3 strips uncured pork bacon, 2 pork sausage patties, 1 turkey sausage link, etc.), large cup of sauteed green veggie (spinach, green onions, bok choy), if not green veggie then peppers

Lunch - steak salad, or pad thai (zucchini noodles in lieu of rice noodles), veggie lasagna (eggplant instead of pasta - all dairy is local and pastured), during the winter months I like to make pho.

Dinner - I like to cook ahead so I'll throw a big beef roast or pork loin in the crock pot or pressure cooker with root veggies (turnips, parsnips, sweet potatoes). Then when I get home I'll stir fry some chinese cabbage, broccoli or spinach to go with it. I typically don't add a lot of fat, but I use coconut oil and olive oil primarily in addition to Kerrygold butter. I guess I could limit that as well if I had to and use leaner cuts of meat.

UPDATE: Today (12/30) I had one minor pain spell after breakfast. I had greek yogurt with strawberries and a banana thinking I needed something with good bacteria in it. The pain was nothing like the original "attack", however same general area. I think the inflammation is going down, but I still need to eat carefully. Will be buying some dandelion and mint tea and looking into a "gallbladder cleanse" carefully. Also going to hardboil some eggs and eat the whites for now. Did fine with dinner last night of chicken tenders (breaded with oven toasted coconut) and mashed potatoes (no fat added just coconut milk). Will update later if anything major occurs.

SECOND UPDATE: 1/1/2013 - OMG...constipation from hell. no seriously. I had to use an enema. never done that before in my life and it felt like what most women describe as childbirth. darkest (like chocolate color - which is what I ate that I think caused the problem), most hard poop of my life (think type 1 and 2 on Bristol scale). It's hard to describe the texture (I saved a sample to take in my to doc), but it was very compact, dense and like this http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dd4MyNe301w/SwGJtvkCWPI/AAAAAAAABjU/SUHWxohOXGw/s320/dry-brown-hard-baby-poop.jpg. yeah I know TMI. I did not feel like eating anything, so I drank tons of water for most of the day. then later I had some mashed yams. sigh. I hope tomorrow is better since I got this out of my body.

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Good for you Luisa. But at risk and infected, how did you know? And then cured? I only eat traditional/real foods.

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on January 02, 2013
at 04:30 PM

I haven't really been able to eat much but I did make myself eat a personal size "flax" pizza (no cheese) with ham and mushrooms. I managed to keep that down, along with some juice, but my stomach right now is just whackadoodle. Having some nausea and discomfort I think leftover from yesterday 1/1. I'm juicing today and may try some bone broth.

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on January 02, 2013
at 04:26 PM

Hmmm, my iron does tend to be high when tested. I don't always eat a lot of greens, but when I do eat them I eat a lot at once (like the example I posted). I'm actually allergic to tree nuts, but not peanuts, so when I eat nuts it's usually in the form of peanut butter. I did recently give up coffee for two weeks, but I read somewhere that it was actually good for your gallbladder (some study suggested people who drank it had 25% less risk of gallstones or something to that effect). So I had a cup yesterday to help get was in me moving. I'm convinced chocolate is the devil now!

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:51 PM

Mine was also infected and at a risk for bursting, for months... and then... and then the next day it suddenly wasn't, after my mom made me eat traditional foods. Funny, uh? By the way, people without a gallbladder are at higher risk for cancer and nutritional deficiencies, and then the problems from such deficiencies. You know what the bad advice is? The bad advice is what I had been following for years, what the government and doctors tell us to do. I lost years of my life because I was so sick and in one week I was healthy again thanks to traditional foods. I'll never get those years back

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:35 PM

Do you generally eat so many leafy greens like your example breakfast/dinner? It's a lot. That, or iron supplements, can cause hard black stools. (And chocolate has a lot of iron too! One bar has 67% of the daily value) I would limit the leafy greens to a maximum of one cup (cooked), and not every day. (And now you and I can shed a tear for all the babies out there drinking iron-fortified formula. Owwies!)

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:34 PM

Yea GAPS or Specific Carbohydrate Diet. My point really was: if you think it's your gallbladder, get it checked out and take it seriously. Peritonitis is not a joke. I have an 8" scar under my ribcage to prove it. Generally if it is your gallbladder: limit rich foods (cut way back on fats, nuts, etc.), stay away from alcohol, chocolate, etc., you may find that raw veggies are challenging.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:25 PM

If you eat any nuts or coconut meat/fiber, try eliminating that from your diet for a couple months. Coffee and chocolate too. (Nuts, coffee, and chocolate because of anti-nutrients, and coconut meat because of the fiber)

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:24 PM

If you eat any nuts or coconut meat/fiber, try eliminating that from your diet for a couple months.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:22 PM

Replying to Mike H's answer: I wouldn't recommend eating less fat, the less fat you eat the more bile the gallbladder will hold on to, forming even more stones. Instead of eating less fat, how about spreading out your meals into 6-8 snacks? Maybe that will reduce the amount of bile that needs to come out at *each meal*, but the more frequent emptying will dissolve the stones eventually? In fact, to each of those small meals, I would add a teaspoon of coconut oil to make sure the gallbladder releases bile. (BTW, yes, rapid weight loss is a risk factor for gallstones)

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:18 PM

Replying to Mike H's answer: I wouldn't recommend eating less fat, the less fat you eat the more bile the gallbladder will hold on to, forming even more stones. Instead of eating less fat, how about having smaller high-fat snacks throughout the day (6-8)? Maybe that will reduce the amount of bile that needs to come out at each meal, but the more frequent emptying will dissolve the stones eventually? In fact, whenever you eat a low-fat meal, I would eat a teaspoon of coconut oil.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:13 PM

(Not sure if Hackadoodle is notified about a comment to another answer, but...) I wouldn't recommend eating less fat, the less fat you eat the more bile the gallbladder will hold on to, forming even more stones. Instead of eating less fat, how about having smaller high-fat snacks throughout the day (6-8)? Maybe that will reduce the amount of bile that needs to come out at each meal, but the more frequent emptying

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on January 02, 2013
at 01:36 PM

good advice! As I said I will keep posting as any new developments occur. As of today, 1/2, I am feeling better than yesterday obviously because I got everything out of me. I'm hopefully this was just a one time thing and I can figure out where I went wrong with all of this. I may just have to cut the dairy out completely again and live off juice and broth for a while.

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on January 02, 2013
at 05:27 AM

Agree..don't let them remove it and lower fat is not the answer long term. You want to fix your digestive system, not give it a crutch by removing fat.

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on January 02, 2013
at 05:25 AM

If a problem is so serious that it could require surgery, why not take more drastic steps? My mom lost her gall bladder and I sure as hell don't want to lose mine. Suggestions from the GAPS diet in my answer.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 02, 2013
at 05:09 AM

Honestly, when I had spearmint tea for the pain, I think that was an emotional thing, because when I was little my mom would sometimes give me honey mint tea before bed on cold windy nights.

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:45 AM

Hmmm I tend to do between 50 and 75 carbs on average. My reason is that I have a seizure disorder and while I don't do keto for it, I don't believe eating a high carb diet is beneficial either. So of course because my diet is not the standard American high carb diet, I tend to eat more protein and fats to meet my calorie needs. I had a total cholesterol panel back in Sept, and my HDL was 53 and my LDL was 110. Not bad numbers but I'd like my HDL to be a little higher. Maybe I should get it retested since it's the new year and all and I've done Paleo longer now (and am having gut issues).

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on December 31, 2012
at 11:52 AM

One thing I can tell you is that bile is very closely related to cholesterol: cholesterol is required to make it, and bile is recycled back into it. If you go too high carb, you'll have too much LDL and not enough HDL, and since you'll use less bile, it may get stagnant and form stones, or perhaps too much calcium is too blame. But the answer usually isn't what the guy in the white coat says.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on December 31, 2012
at 11:50 AM

careful with that, perhaps going lower fat isn't the answer long term. In my own case, I didn't eat that day, and ate one of those "fat free" ice creams, and before that, I had a high carb diet. I don't know how good those liver cleanse things are where you drink grapefruit juice then lots of oil, but perhaps they can help flush out the stones. I'd do more research on what actually causes gall stone formation before deciding what to do. Perhaps it's too high calcium, perhaps its too low carb for too long. I don't know. Best of luck and let us know.

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on December 30, 2012
at 07:25 PM

Good luck! Even though it may be a headache.. an ultrasound could be helpful. It could show you how many stones you have in your gall bladder (if this is the cause of your pain) or if there is inflammation of the gall bladder itself or if there is a stone stuck in the common bile duct. Since it seems like your pain is reproducible, it's something to consider.

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on December 30, 2012
at 06:20 PM

yeah, I'm not excited about the idea of unnecessary surgery and to me most surgery is unnecessary in that lots of crap can be avoided/prevented or treated naturally somehow. I'm going to try a few of the previous posters suggestions and lay lower (not lowfat) on the fat for a bit to see how I do. Wish me luck!

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on December 30, 2012
at 06:18 PM

yeah both my parents had theirs out, as well as my grandparents...I think I may just need to cut back on the fat a bit for now and see how I do. I may look into this gallbladder cleanse stuff too, just to see what it's all about.

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on December 30, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Good suggestion about the mint and dandelion. I love tea so I'll incorporate them in that way. Thanks!

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:26 PM

Maybe there is something to the weight loss thing eh? I lost over 150lbs about 8 years ago. I've kept off 130 of it. Gained back 20 because of this thyroid issue I started having this year and have been trying to lose it again. The pain is gone today, but my belly is still a little "tender" depending on how I sit/lay. This was my first attack, so I hope to God I don't have anymore.

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I doubt this is the issue, because I've cut these out before with little success. I eat little dairy on a regular basis anyway because I don't like most of it. Kerrygold is one of the few brands I can tolerate :) How do you live without eggs?! I would die.

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:22 PM

location of pain, doc pressing on the area, tests revealed only slightly elevated liver values. the only thing I didn't get done was an ultrasound because I had already spent 12 hours there and I can go into my docs office and get the paperwork for it. Plus by then the pain had died down a bit, so I figured I cold pop a pain pill and call both my parents who have had theirs removed to see what they did.

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on December 30, 2012
at 12:35 AM

http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/14/3/258.pdf here is an article in the Alternative Medicine Review Journal about "Nutritional Approaches to Prevention and Treatment of Gallstones"

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9d142ffae34c518722ea67d4cfb89a19

on December 30, 2012
at 02:50 AM

I no longer have a gallbladder. Had very similar issues to what you describe. In general, I found that rich foods (high fat like Indian, chocolate, cheese, etc.) would have me in extreme pain. The pain for me felt like heart-burn, that was burning all the way to my back.

The normal course of diagnostics are: ecg, to make sure it isn't your heart; ultrasound to check the gallbladder and if neither of these are successful, further exams to check for ulcer.

My gallbladder was infected, distended and leaking bile into my gutt. Don't take this passively. I could very easily have died. As it was, I was in the hospital on crazy antibiotics for a week after the emergency surgery to remove my GB.

Bad genes: both my dad and his father both had to have their GBs removed.

Now, I don't have one, and I don't have the bile to digest fatty foods well. I eat paleo/primal but low fat. Experimenting with fats I find I can tolerate small amounts of coconut oil and small amounts of dairy fats but many refined oils, nuts, etc. give me digestive or elimination distress.

Good luck. Get it checked out.

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on December 30, 2012
at 06:18 PM

yeah both my parents had theirs out, as well as my grandparents...I think I may just need to cut back on the fat a bit for now and see how I do. I may look into this gallbladder cleanse stuff too, just to see what it's all about.

705e66484ed64fe8e188123de398413e

(1013)

on January 02, 2013
at 05:25 AM

If a problem is so serious that it could require surgery, why not take more drastic steps? My mom lost her gall bladder and I sure as hell don't want to lose mine. Suggestions from the GAPS diet in my answer.

9d142ffae34c518722ea67d4cfb89a19

on January 02, 2013
at 02:34 PM

Yea GAPS or Specific Carbohydrate Diet. My point really was: if you think it's your gallbladder, get it checked out and take it seriously. Peritonitis is not a joke. I have an 8" scar under my ribcage to prove it. Generally if it is your gallbladder: limit rich foods (cut way back on fats, nuts, etc.), stay away from alcohol, chocolate, etc., you may find that raw veggies are challenging.

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19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 02, 2013
at 05:07 AM

Hi, are you still seeking advice, since you updated this today?

Gallbladder stone survivor here. I don't know how I lived through it because for months and months I would spend all night vomiting the only small meal I had managed to eat that day. I really don't know how I made it.
I'm fully recovered and still have my gallbladder, and there's no sludge or stones. If you met me today you would never believe I used to suffer so much all day and night!

So my advice, which is just my personal experience, would be:

  • Please, please, don't limit fat, if anything, I would suggest you eat the vast majority of your calories from saturated fat and cholesterol. I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this website and I'm afraid I'm going to be called "that fat freak" soon, but I can't say it enough: eat lots of grass-fed tallow, bone marrow and lard. Butter and coconut oil would be okay occasionally. I cook (for myself) with atleast 3 tablespoons of fat.

  • I found [Moroccan spear]mint tea helpful, but gelatinous chicken or beef stock is even better and will keep you nourished. Nutritional deficiencies are an issue with gallbladder problems. Instead of sipping on water when you feel pain or bloat, sip some stock throughout the day. If you don't like just drinking it plain, slice some onions or shallots and eat it as a soup.

  • I refuse to eat any meal cooked with vegetable oils. It causes gallbladder inflammation. Does your chocolate have soy in it? By the way, most olive oil available in the USA is actually adulterated with other oils, like cheap vegetable oil... I wouldn't eat it.

  • Avoid fiber at all costs. Nuts and coconut are often overlooked. If you eat nuts, limit it to about 10, and make sure they're soaked in water overnight.

  • I'm sure you already know this one, but sugar is a big no-no.

  • If you do eat lots of fiber or starches "by accident" (hehe), including nuts or coconut, make sure to drink two glasses of water or stock right away, and for one or two days until you poo that food out! Personally, I would fast until that fiber comes out, if I can.

  • But otherwise, I recommend not having liquids with your meals (soup is an exception, obviously)

  • Consider limiting starchy vegetables.

  • Going for a walk, cleaning the house, dancing slowly or swaying side to side, doing elliptical or stationary bike helps make gallbladder pain more bearable and helps with gas. It's very tempting to curl up under the blankets but the pain will be more bearable and you'll vomit less if you keep moving slowly.

  • Don't have dairy on an empty stomach. For me I found it easier to tolerate if I had some right after a meal.

  • Worst case scenario, take enzymes with your meals (I liked Twin Labs enzymes). I guess raw milk/cheese or fermented vegetables would be okay too.

My mom visited me the day after I was in the ER because of my gallbladder. I was broke (couldn't work!) and didn't have any money for food. Too weak to cook anything anyway! Luckily, she had brought me traditional Portuguese food from Massachusetts. I ate nothing but really high fat pulled pork drowned in lard, slabs of cheese, eggs cooked in butter, cold or warm vegetable salads (no lettuce). This is how I found Paleo! I didn't have pain anymore and I went on google trying to find out how I could suddenly be healed.

Just a few links I remember reading back then:
http://www.livingpaleo.com/natural-treatment-for-gallstones/
http://www.westonaprice.org/ask-the-doctor/gall-stones

The advice is to slowly increase fats in diets, but I went from nearly 0% fat to 70-80% saturated fat and cholesterol in just one day. The reason is probably because at the same time, I stopped eating grains, nuts, and seed oils (AKA "vegetable oils"), and limited fibrous vegetables.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on January 02, 2013
at 05:09 AM

Honestly, when I had spearmint tea for the pain, I think that was an emotional thing, because when I was little my mom would sometimes give me honey mint tea before bed on cold windy nights.

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on January 02, 2013
at 01:36 PM

good advice! As I said I will keep posting as any new developments occur. As of today, 1/2, I am feeling better than yesterday obviously because I got everything out of me. I'm hopefully this was just a one time thing and I can figure out where I went wrong with all of this. I may just have to cut the dairy out completely again and live off juice and broth for a while.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:03 PM

Whatever you do, DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO REMOVE YOUR GALLBLADDER Sorry for shouting, but I can't emphasize that enough.

I stupidly let them do that, and I recognize the pain you describe. It's probably just gallstones, but there are ways to address those.

Unless you want to break your fat metabolism and have to swallow digestive enzyme pills before each meal, do whatever you need to, to save it.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19473)

on December 31, 2012
at 11:50 AM

careful with that, perhaps going lower fat isn't the answer long term. In my own case, I didn't eat that day, and ate one of those "fat free" ice creams, and before that, I had a high carb diet. I don't know how good those liver cleanse things are where you drink grapefruit juice then lots of oil, but perhaps they can help flush out the stones. I'd do more research on what actually causes gall stone formation before deciding what to do. Perhaps it's too high calcium, perhaps its too low carb for too long. I don't know. Best of luck and let us know.

705e66484ed64fe8e188123de398413e

(1013)

on January 02, 2013
at 05:27 AM

Agree..don't let them remove it and lower fat is not the answer long term. You want to fix your digestive system, not give it a crutch by removing fat.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19473)

on December 31, 2012
at 11:52 AM

One thing I can tell you is that bile is very closely related to cholesterol: cholesterol is required to make it, and bile is recycled back into it. If you go too high carb, you'll have too much LDL and not enough HDL, and since you'll use less bile, it may get stagnant and form stones, or perhaps too much calcium is too blame. But the answer usually isn't what the guy in the white coat says.

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on December 30, 2012
at 06:20 PM

yeah, I'm not excited about the idea of unnecessary surgery and to me most surgery is unnecessary in that lots of crap can be avoided/prevented or treated naturally somehow. I'm going to try a few of the previous posters suggestions and lay lower (not lowfat) on the fat for a bit to see how I do. Wish me luck!

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on January 02, 2013
at 04:30 PM

I haven't really been able to eat much but I did make myself eat a personal size "flax" pizza (no cheese) with ham and mushrooms. I managed to keep that down, along with some juice, but my stomach right now is just whackadoodle. Having some nausea and discomfort I think leftover from yesterday 1/1. I'm juicing today and may try some bone broth.

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on January 02, 2013
at 02:45 AM

Hmmm I tend to do between 50 and 75 carbs on average. My reason is that I have a seizure disorder and while I don't do keto for it, I don't believe eating a high carb diet is beneficial either. So of course because my diet is not the standard American high carb diet, I tend to eat more protein and fats to meet my calorie needs. I had a total cholesterol panel back in Sept, and my HDL was 53 and my LDL was 110. Not bad numbers but I'd like my HDL to be a little higher. Maybe I should get it retested since it's the new year and all and I've done Paleo longer now (and am having gut issues).

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on December 30, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Almost always there is a food sensitivity. Eggs and/or pork fat are the most common. Try cutting those out and then reintroduce to see if they cause the problem. Otherwise just cut back a little on the strait fats (butter, oil).

Mint and dandelion root tea also stimulate bile production, so daily use can help keep the bile flowing smooth.

I disagree with Mike H about getting your gallbladder removed, it's super important, do your best to figure out the problem and keep that sucker!

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Good suggestion about the mint and dandelion. I love tea so I'll incorporate them in that way. Thanks!

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on January 02, 2013
at 05:24 AM

I saw Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride speak very convincingly about the GAPS diet (website, book) and how she thinks it can help with gall bladders.

She opened by saying that gall stones are caused by the liver being overloaded with too much detoxification work. I am not sure if this would relate to fatty liver disease?

Some of her very specific recommendations for gall bladder issues: 1. Juicing and "GAPS" milkshakes to dissolve and remove stones (milkshake = Celery, apple, carrot juices with raw egg and sour cream whisked in). The eggs might help choline deficiency too. 2. Ox Bile, Probiotics for digestive support (or Digestive Enzymes) 3. Coffee enemas

She was also emphatic about not rushing to the hospital during a gall bladder attack because they will simply remove the organ - usually after stones have already passed and only sludge remains. Instead she recommended a hot water bottle go where the pain is and drinking epsom salts.

Depending on what you're eating that triggers the attack, the foods may need to be eliminated but they may also be tolerable after your body and digestion recover. For example, the GAPS diet initially eliminates dairy and then reintroduces it gradually.

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on January 02, 2013
at 09:42 AM

Some of this is scary advice. I had my gallbladder removed 5 years ago and have had no problems. If I had ignored my attacks and not gone to the hospital, I probably would not be here today. Mine was very infected (antibiotics before they could even remove it) and there was another woman in there who waited too long and her gallbladder had gangrene. Doc said she would probably not be going home to her family.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on January 02, 2013
at 02:51 PM

Mine was also infected and at a risk for bursting, for months... and then... and then the next day it suddenly wasn't, after my mom made me eat traditional foods. Funny, uh? By the way, people without a gallbladder are at higher risk for cancer and nutritional deficiencies, and then the problems from such deficiencies. You know what the bad advice is? The bad advice is what I had been following for years, what the government and doctors tell us to do. I lost years of my life because I was so sick and in one week I was healthy again thanks to traditional foods. I'll never get those years back

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Good for you Luisa. But at risk and infected, how did you know? And then cured? I only eat traditional/real foods.

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on December 30, 2012
at 01:32 AM

I had the same problem. After I lost about 50-60 pounds, I started having gallbladder attacks, I had 5 in total and I know exactly how painful they can be! 2 of mine lasted 30 hours or so, no joke. I noticed certain foods were triggering them, eggs being the biggest problem. I eventually stopped eating eggs and cut back on the fat and the attacks went away. I got my gallbladder taken out after a couple of weeks eating like that, there was really no other option for me. Glad to say I'm back to my usual, full fat diet and could not be happier. This was in May of this year.

If you've only had 1 attack you may want to keep eating how you are and see how it goes. If you start having multiple attacks like myself, it may be best to get that sucker taken out.

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:26 PM

Maybe there is something to the weight loss thing eh? I lost over 150lbs about 8 years ago. I've kept off 130 of it. Gained back 20 because of this thyroid issue I started having this year and have been trying to lose it again. The pain is gone today, but my belly is still a little "tender" depending on how I sit/lay. This was my first attack, so I hope to God I don't have anymore.

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on January 02, 2013
at 02:13 PM

(Not sure if Hackadoodle is notified about a comment to another answer, but...) I wouldn't recommend eating less fat, the less fat you eat the more bile the gallbladder will hold on to, forming even more stones. Instead of eating less fat, how about having smaller high-fat snacks throughout the day (6-8)? Maybe that will reduce the amount of bile that needs to come out at each meal, but the more frequent emptying

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on December 30, 2012
at 01:22 AM

I had pain very similar to this for months - doctors did all kinds of tests on me, including a colonoscopy and ultrasounds and xrays. They found nothing! I finally went to a naturopath and she thought the pain was related to a food sensitivity. Turns out I can't tolerate gluten, dairy and eggs. Within a week of cutting those foods out, pain was 100% gone :) This may not be your issue, but it's worth checking into. It's frustrating when regular doctors just tell you you're fine despite terrible unexplainable pain!

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I doubt this is the issue, because I've cut these out before with little success. I eat little dairy on a regular basis anyway because I don't like most of it. Kerrygold is one of the few brands I can tolerate :) How do you live without eggs?! I would die.

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on December 30, 2012
at 12:31 AM

How do you know for sure its your gall bladder? Did they do an ultrasound or CT scan?

Did they do blood work to look at your liver function tests?

If they did find that you had gall stones, not knowing how old you are, I can say that gall stones can take years to form, so being on paleo for 6 months or so likely probably wouldn't have made much of a difference recently.

Also there are a few different causes of gall stones, the most common of which being cholesterol formed stones.. but bilirubin types of stones could be formed if there is an underlying blood disorder (sickle cell, hemolytic anemia, etc..)

I know some people have preached the benefit of a "gall bladder flush", but I'm not sure what the science behind it is.... and I don't know of any evidence based results.

As always don't make any big decisions before consulting your doctor!

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:22 PM

location of pain, doc pressing on the area, tests revealed only slightly elevated liver values. the only thing I didn't get done was an ultrasound because I had already spent 12 hours there and I can go into my docs office and get the paperwork for it. Plus by then the pain had died down a bit, so I figured I cold pop a pain pill and call both my parents who have had theirs removed to see what they did.

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on December 30, 2012
at 12:35 AM

http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/14/3/258.pdf here is an article in the Alternative Medicine Review Journal about "Nutritional Approaches to Prevention and Treatment of Gallstones"

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on December 30, 2012
at 07:25 PM

Good luck! Even though it may be a headache.. an ultrasound could be helpful. It could show you how many stones you have in your gall bladder (if this is the cause of your pain) or if there is inflammation of the gall bladder itself or if there is a stone stuck in the common bile duct. Since it seems like your pain is reproducible, it's something to consider.

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