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The "Art" of gut healing?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 23, 2011 at 1:02 AM

I have been reading through Art Ayers blog lately and I find it interesting that unlike other paleo folk, who essentially promote elimination diets for gut health, Art believes that the gut could be healed by providing it essential bacteria. He firmly believes that most degenerative diseases are caused by poor gut flora caused by an inflammatory diet and chronic antibiotic use. He believes that anyone with a dairy intolerance could eliminate it by introducing dairy in small quantities, specifically fermented dairy, until the body is able to handle it.

I personally, have had terrible results with elimination diets which I feel have depleted my gut flora and ability to handle certain things such as dairy. I am interested in trying Art's recommendations and was wondering if anyone has had success eliminating previous intolerance or allergies through his prescribed methods.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 07, 2012
at 01:26 AM

Bill, I have had severe gut dysbyosis, and probiotics make me very very sick. I cannot see the reasoning in adding two or three strains of bacteria to a population that is naturally supposed to be 500 strains + anyway.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on June 23, 2011
at 08:51 PM

Hey Jack, I think Art has already been on Jimmy's show quite recently.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on June 23, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I have, but it is essentially an elimination diet.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on June 23, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Exactly my experience to MKS. Her diet was way to extreme and any symptoms were considered die-off, including potentially fatal heart palpitations.

8be7a492e2844e2ad5595a6c73974f99

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:26 PM

Totally...A friend of mine who has been faithfully following her diet for a year just moved to Mexico. When she asked how to negotiate the water issue Bee says to drink the tap water, just put it through a Brita filter. um, No. I do appreciate nuts though. I like her take on supplementation, go easy, don't confuse or over treat the body. When I was trying her way I pretty much couldn't function. Way too extreme. Was I healing/retracing or was it just a bad diet for my constitution? A little of both I think.

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:25 PM

youll never get rid of all inflammation, some inflammation is GOOD, i agree with Jack Kronk

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:24 PM

Clever title, ROB. :-)

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on June 23, 2011
at 02:19 PM

I got introduced to paleo type diets through Bee, but she is a bit of a nut, and could at times give potentially dangerous advice.

8be7a492e2844e2ad5595a6c73974f99

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on June 23, 2011
at 09:55 AM

Thanks Bill! Great points and She is a nut! This is all nutty! I'm going swimming.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on June 23, 2011
at 06:21 AM

doesn't glucose feed yeast though?

Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

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on June 23, 2011
at 04:57 AM

I think Bee Wilder is kind of a nut. She proposes this very low carb diet is the only diet against "candida", which in non-immunocompromised people is really just any form of gut dysbosis, when glucose is needed to fight fungal infections in the first place. Her ideas about not needing any probiotics is equally out of place and poorly researched... she claims the body will "make its own probiotics" when ready... really? is that why people who have used antibiotics several times and caused gut dysbosis never seem to recover without assistance from probiotics or fermented foods?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 23, 2011
at 04:12 AM

hopefully the topic of my dissertation :)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 23, 2011
at 04:12 AM

there is very good evidence our gut bacteria adapted to starch.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 23, 2011
at 04:11 AM

Yeah, my BF chris said he had really a lot of problems on elimination diets. He got worse instead of better! I think the bacteria were at play. I definitely have fewer sensitivities since I started eating more probiotic and prebiotic foods.

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:54 AM

+1 and a fave for sharing the info about Art- looked at his site and it looks VERY useful. Always appreciate people who share good resources and ideas. :)

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:50 AM

you are saying don't eat starch?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Im with him on the anti starch points too. I think we coevolved with our gut bacteria and I believe our gut bacteria has faced more epigenetic modification then we have. Therefore there is more mismatch in our diets because our gut evolution has speed up relative to our own. So I think we have to be quite thoughtful about our diet when you consider the effects I mentioned.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on June 23, 2011
at 02:08 AM

Who eats brown dirt? I EAT BROWN DIRT!

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on June 23, 2011
at 01:10 AM

It's great that someone as intelligent and provocative as you is backing his beliefs. Really gives me more confidence in his methods.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on June 23, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Art is the Gut Flora Guru. The Bacteria Boss. The Probiotic Professor. Jimmy Moore reached out to him in a comment one time asking to be on his show. Not sure if that ever happened but I think it would be fantastic.

I've read almost every article on Art's site. He used to be a bit more afraid of saturated fat a couple years ago, but I think he's primarily changed his position on that.

He brings an in depth perspective on gut flora in that he mostly seems to believe that healthy bacteria species that take up residence in the gut can ward off almost anything. Some of his bio-speak lingo is a bit sticky, but the dude knows his stuff.

One of the things I am not really in line with him about is that he is pretty anti-starch for the most part. I always have to remember that he basically comes at everything from a molecular biologist perspective with a highly zoomed in lens focused directly on both inflammation and gut flora.

There are some real gems on his site and he is excellent at answering his readers' comments with thorough and thoughtful answers.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 23, 2011
at 04:12 AM

there is very good evidence our gut bacteria adapted to starch.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Im with him on the anti starch points too. I think we coevolved with our gut bacteria and I believe our gut bacteria has faced more epigenetic modification then we have. Therefore there is more mismatch in our diets because our gut evolution has speed up relative to our own. So I think we have to be quite thoughtful about our diet when you consider the effects I mentioned.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:50 AM

you are saying don't eat starch?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 23, 2011
at 04:12 AM

hopefully the topic of my dissertation :)

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on June 23, 2011
at 08:51 PM

Hey Jack, I think Art has already been on Jimmy's show quite recently.

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:25 PM

youll never get rid of all inflammation, some inflammation is GOOD, i agree with Jack Kronk

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 23, 2011
at 01:06 AM

I believe ART is correct and will be backing him up very shortly. Plus one Rob!

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on June 23, 2011
at 01:10 AM

It's great that someone as intelligent and provocative as you is backing his beliefs. Really gives me more confidence in his methods.

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F5e771b6ed8e22499a4c979676d96dbc

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on June 23, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Research the GAPS diet. Gut and Psyhcology Syndrome

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on June 23, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I have, but it is essentially an elimination diet.

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on June 23, 2011
at 02:14 AM

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

This is another take.

I am all for experimentation and supplementation, but I really grok this perspective too. So, do we need more flies? can balance/healing be hastened? Or do we take the extra time for healing to occur?

"It is like the manure pile and the flies, with the manure pile representing the poor condition of the body, and the flies representing bacteria, candida/fungus or cancer. The only way to get rid of the flies is to clean up the manure pile, i.e. improve the condition and health of the body so it is able to eliminate toxins and maintain a strong immune system. The manure pile does not go away by killing off the flies, and killing bacteria, candida or cancer that are created by our own bodies does not improve the condition of our bodies"

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on June 23, 2011
at 02:19 PM

I got introduced to paleo type diets through Bee, but she is a bit of a nut, and could at times give potentially dangerous advice.

8be7a492e2844e2ad5595a6c73974f99

(891)

on June 23, 2011
at 09:55 AM

Thanks Bill! Great points and She is a nut! This is all nutty! I'm going swimming.

Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

(2539)

on June 23, 2011
at 04:57 AM

I think Bee Wilder is kind of a nut. She proposes this very low carb diet is the only diet against "candida", which in non-immunocompromised people is really just any form of gut dysbosis, when glucose is needed to fight fungal infections in the first place. Her ideas about not needing any probiotics is equally out of place and poorly researched... she claims the body will "make its own probiotics" when ready... really? is that why people who have used antibiotics several times and caused gut dysbosis never seem to recover without assistance from probiotics or fermented foods?

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on June 23, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Exactly my experience to MKS. Her diet was way to extreme and any symptoms were considered die-off, including potentially fatal heart palpitations.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on June 23, 2011
at 06:21 AM

doesn't glucose feed yeast though?

8be7a492e2844e2ad5595a6c73974f99

(891)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:26 PM

Totally...A friend of mine who has been faithfully following her diet for a year just moved to Mexico. When she asked how to negotiate the water issue Bee says to drink the tap water, just put it through a Brita filter. um, No. I do appreciate nuts though. I like her take on supplementation, go easy, don't confuse or over treat the body. When I was trying her way I pretty much couldn't function. Way too extreme. Was I healing/retracing or was it just a bad diet for my constitution? A little of both I think.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 07, 2012
at 01:26 AM

Bill, I have had severe gut dysbyosis, and probiotics make me very very sick. I cannot see the reasoning in adding two or three strains of bacteria to a population that is naturally supposed to be 500 strains + anyway.

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