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short term vs long term, weighing goals and dealing with reality

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 15, 2011 at 4:14 AM

i've been talking to real life people with illnesses, both chronic, acute, and terminal. some who are hip to paleo-esque/non-toxic diets, some who aren't. one of the emerging themes is the conscious understanding of living symptom-free, or reducing the severity of symptoms in the short term, because living an enjoyable life for say, 5 years is better than wasting their youth and time living a less enjoyable but possibly longer life.

many of these people are on a mixture of prescription drugs and herbal/neutraceutical supplements. many of their doctors are just doing the best they can because no one really has "the answer". (especially when it's nearly impossible to be alcohol/drug free, never indulge, always sleep at sunset in a dark room, etc. its ludicrous some of the advice given by health gurus.)

i think it would be of more value to the community to help people cope with modern reality the best we can, rather than search for some unobtainable "optimal" that ends up costing us all our free time and money. of course everything can improve, but sometimes the voices of the paleo movement prescribe a fool's gambit that ignores the time & space we live in.

just my current musings on living as well as i can with a diseased body. please feel free to comment honestly.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on October 15, 2011
at 07:56 PM

honestly the bread & seed oils is easy for most people once they have alternatives. i for instance do not care about eating those foods (for more than a year, maybe 2, i forget) and am still ill.

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on October 15, 2011
at 02:31 PM

I should note that nobody on this forum is perfect; therefore, none of us ever achieves optimization, even if we spout off about how great we are at times.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

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on October 15, 2011
at 02:29 PM

I think the problem with this question is including "terminal" in there with your list of illnesses. If someone's body is ravaged with metastatic cancer and they've resigned themselves to die, I guess they should eat and drink whatever makes them happy. Anyone else would be well served to start, not with the intention of optimizing, but simply with the elimination of bread, seed oils, soy, and any other possible food intolerances/allergies. This is not about optimization; it's about survival.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 15, 2011
at 12:39 PM

Well you loaded the question with so many subsets that could really be their own questions in and of themselves that I just went with the overall feel I got from it...."this stuff is hard as a lifestyle", "it takes a lot of time and money", "a lot of people feel like they are better off just taking drugs". You mix acute, chronic and terminal conditions into one sentence and question which makes it impossible to actually address so I chose chronic since that is the most prevalent problem in the US. Didn't really mean for the answer to be as harsh as it sounded, but I guess it is what it is.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on October 15, 2011
at 05:42 AM

im pretty sure you are hearing what you want to hear.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on October 15, 2011
at 05:41 AM

in modern circumstance it doesnt work that way. if we are talking pre-conception through birth through early childhood then YES you are correct.

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Df45ff15a3b093b7f22f0fec5ae1237a

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on October 15, 2011
at 04:31 AM

Pay the butcher/farmer now not the doctor later.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on October 15, 2011
at 05:41 AM

in modern circumstance it doesnt work that way. if we are talking pre-conception through birth through early childhood then YES you are correct.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 15, 2011
at 04:27 AM

Is I disagree good enough of an answer? I mean seriously... spending ALL your time working on eating, moving and thinking better? REALLY? Is this stuff REALLY that labor intensive...NO! Thats an absurd comment. The diet and exercise issues are easily addressed and take no more time than it does to eat some eggs....

People are on long term medication for chronic health problems usually because they THINK its too hard to change. They give up early or have been brainwashed into believing the drugs are equal in some way to the lifestyle change that is actually necessary. So that is fine. Make your choices. Its a free country, but also own up to em in the end. BTW drugs to treat are far more expensive than lifestyle changes both in time and money (think lab tests, office visits, and life long drug payments).

Your free to decide what makes you happy also....yes its a choice. You can decide that eating a rib eye is orgasmic or you can decide that you need to hit the crack pipe just to open your eyes in the morning. Decide were your joy comes from.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on October 15, 2011
at 05:42 AM

im pretty sure you are hearing what you want to hear.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 15, 2011
at 12:39 PM

Well you loaded the question with so many subsets that could really be their own questions in and of themselves that I just went with the overall feel I got from it...."this stuff is hard as a lifestyle", "it takes a lot of time and money", "a lot of people feel like they are better off just taking drugs". You mix acute, chronic and terminal conditions into one sentence and question which makes it impossible to actually address so I chose chronic since that is the most prevalent problem in the US. Didn't really mean for the answer to be as harsh as it sounded, but I guess it is what it is.

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531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

on October 15, 2011
at 02:26 PM

I believe that anyone who is ill and wants to "cope" will in fact cope better by eating paleo. Now, I get it that it's tough to transition away from bread and soy and seed oils when you've been eating this way all your life, but when you're in an illness crisis? I'd think this would be motivating, not to "optimize" but just to survive.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on October 15, 2011
at 07:56 PM

honestly the bread & seed oils is easy for most people once they have alternatives. i for instance do not care about eating those foods (for more than a year, maybe 2, i forget) and am still ill.

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on October 15, 2011
at 11:52 AM

well yeah thats why even though Magazines/Digests are often wrong, they try to give us the "key points" that optimize our gain and minimize our discipline/time involved. So for a Paleo lifestyle, that would prob involve eating at least mostly meats/vegs, using organic butter/coconut oils, if you eat out at least eat low carb. Do HIIT/heavy weights a few times per week, don't overexercise. Eat a big breakfast, no eating before sleeping, at least stick to the same sleeping sched.

I'm young and I'm not gonna live an austere youth to be healthy, that would be "gay". But following those key points has actually changed my life around, I not only lost weight but feel invigorated, capable of focusing and have way more gains in ALL areas of my life, and i'd prob say I'm 60% adherent to what I "should be doing". IMO younger ppl want to use this info to better their immediate lives while older ppl are more dedicated to minimize pain and disease

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