4

votes

Paleo vs Vegetarian: It's War

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 02, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Hey Everyone,

I seem to get criticize lately by someone who thinks the vegetarian diet is much better. We know that the paleo diet is way more effective and more optimal to live with. I have some facts below that I have researched and facts. Can anybody help with more research to comment on this matter. I hate the fact that people don't see the real sense of the matter.

p.s She tried showing me her articles below with some research she found online. I think it's dumb. Thank you

Here are a couple of facts I pointed out to her.

1) You have to take a look at who they were testing (she showed a article that you can get prostate cancer) and what they ate and their lifestyle. The majority of people eat the (SAD) standard American diet and exercise very little, so basing results off of what they eat and what it can hold in store for them in terms of disease is not applicable to people eating paleo and working out. Also, do they distinguish as to what kind of animal fat? If it's conventionally-raised meat, then sure, you are going to have some problems, especially when it is combined with eating alot of grains and sugars. But if it's grassfed, then you are getting vital nutrients and minerals, and avoiding the toxins that are in the fat of conventionally-raised meat. Picking apart many studies reveals that they are poorly conducted and more often than not the funding for them is coming from a source that will skew the results.

2) Not everyone who eats animal fat gets prostate cancer. Thus there is no 1:1 causative relationship in the same way that getting hit with a baseball bat in the head with a certain force will break your skull or being irradiated with a certain dose will kill you.

3)Critics of the paleo lifestyle often claim that Paleolithic people died at 30 years of age or similar young ages, and suggest that this proves that the paleo diet does not support health or longevity. In fact, the paleolithic diets supplied humans with all the nutrients humans require, because if they did not, the human species would have expired due to malnourishment. It???s also often pointed out that a relatively benign accident or illness by today???s standards ??? a broken arm, a rolled ankle, or a minor infection ??? could have prematurely ended caveman's life. And that these cases say nothing about caveman's potential to live 70+ years. This means that even if paleo people did have a short life expectancy, it was not due to some nutritional weakness of the paleolithic menu. For me, there's so much going on with "lifespan" that I would much rather just look at the science. We know the biochemistry mechanisms of gluten and lectins. We can see how they interact with our gut lining. These things have been studied, and the conclusions don't look so tasty.

My References: "Alpha-linolenic acid no impact on prostate cancer" http://www.psa-rising.com/blog/2006/06/alpha-linolenic-acid-no-impact-on-prostate-cancer/ "More Evidence That The Paleo Diet Can Reduce Cancer Risk" http://paleodietnews.com/3541/more-evidence-that-the-paleo-diet-can-reduce-cancer-risk/ "Longevity & health in ancient Paleolithic vs. Neolithic peoples Not what you may have been told" http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/angel-1984/angel-1984-1a.shtml "Gluten: What You Don't Know Might Kill You" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/dr-mark-hyman/gluten-what-you-dont-know_b_379089.html "The Paleolithic Diet and Its Modern Implications "

This was her articles and her "facts":

http://www.buynaturalbeef.us/2011/01/the-danger-of-organic-beef/

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/21/1064082865083.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21930800

Her two cents:

"I've been veg 19 years! through 2 pregnancies (2 home births), and my doctors have always said my blood is better than any carnivore. good iron and protein here! red lentils!"

"very true. but we don't eat the same foods they used to eat. even our organic foods are not the same"

"harvard medical school should know well enough to cover all of their controls and variables so that the results aren't skewed too bad we can't see the whole study or if it has been replicated"

"yup. but that has nothing to do with the fact that cooking meat releases cancer-causing toxins http://www.buynaturalbeef.us/2011/01/the-danger-of-organic-beef/ lol this article must've been written by a foreigner"

"and genetically modified, and polluted, and preserved.and just raising the animals that people eat is polluting our world even further. we are giving drinking water and grains to cows when we could be feeding and hydrating PEOPLE with the same water and grain and the animals poop A LOT. and guess where it all goes? into our groundwater supply.not to mention the carbon monoxide they release, the disease they spread, the pesticides used to grow the grains the cows eat the pollution from the factories that slaughter, process, and package the animals for eating the list goes on and on if people eat a vegetarian diet, we can feed 6.3 billion people with no problem. if people get just 25% of their calories from meat, we can only sustain 3.2 billion people that's fact and that is my pro-veg spie"

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on December 02, 2011
at 07:51 PM

I won't answer because I just cannot read this entire post. So long! However I will say that the us vs. them argument is totally lost on me. Are you seeking truth in this discourse with her or are you trying to prove you are right? Since many anthropologists who are experts on such things say we cannot know what our ancestors really ate, we do know that the thing that made them human was their ability to eat a VARIED diet.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 02, 2011
at 07:50 PM

Yikes, not a real question and the material here has been covered without the war-overtones in several other real questions. Take this stuff to Reddit/Google Plus/Facebook, this is not the place for these kind of postings.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on December 02, 2011
at 07:49 PM

Vegetarianism and Paleo can live happily together, like almond butter and chocolate. It's not the first time this topic/argument has been brought up nor will it be the last. So ::waves hands very mysteriously:: Listen to Katherine, GWAR and such. They're good eggs.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 07:36 PM

All vegetarians eat bread and toxic foods. You are absolutely sure about that?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 07:35 PM

All vegetarians eat bread and toxic grains. You are absolutely sure about that?

3a4d0f732b3e86aa7b73adb4f6ca9dc2

(205)

on December 02, 2011
at 07:29 PM

vegetarians do not eat meat i know. they eat breads and grains, but ask yourself what breads are made from? a vegetarian that eats other food groups that are evidently bad for health shouldn't even be in a healthy discussion.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Exactly. Who could eat only vegetables and survive. Hence my answer. Vegetarians are retarded!!!

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 02, 2011
at 07:13 PM

what on earth makes you think vegetarianism is about eating only veggies?

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on December 02, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Do you mean war in the sense that Bugs Bunny means it when he says "This means war!"

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on December 02, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Yes! Well said, Craig. We have more in common than both sides realize.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Mal, I'll send you the doc.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Is that an offer? Because I would throw it in you too :-)

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:30 PM

lol....you must need something rewarding

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:29 PM

KATHERINE, interested in what you plugged for this. i <3 raw oysters, and i react horribly to grocerstore meat

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:27 PM

By the way, I did not downvote this question. People are entitled to their views of what it means to be Paleo, no matter misguided their opinion might be

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:23 PM

Mallory - how insulting. I have standards. I just seem to have misplaced them

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:21 PM

I'm more like nut butter

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:20 PM

Katherine - don't let your analysis get in the way of convincing me that I am on death's door. The facts are sometimes an inconvenient truth. Now show me your....

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:19 PM

And honestly guys, these are numbers I was very surprised to find. I was setting out to show Aravind that he wasn't getting enough of a lot of things...and that's just not what I found. Oh, and copper, which would otherwise come from liver.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:17 PM

Aravind, you are made of butter and love. Even though you try to hide it, we can still tell. Butter. And Love.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:16 PM

@Mal, when I crunched the numbers, it was clear that just oysters alone would do it.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:16 PM

veganism is another story entirely.

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:16 PM

bahahhahaha, youd throw it in lotsa stuff

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:16 PM

You're fighting the wrong fight, one you can't win if trying to argue that a vegetarian diet can't be as healthy as a paleo diet. It can be. Stick with the issues that ARE issues: soy, grains, nut/seed oils (linoleic acid), wheat germ agglutinin, and sugar (especially fructose).

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:15 PM

to add, i think a vegetarian based diet with weekly oysters/liver/shellfish is prolly pretty close to awesome

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:15 PM

You are dummy too Katherine. XOXO

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:13 PM

A vegetarian diet is not the problem as long as there is a sufficiency of whole eggs and diary. I put together some numbers comparing a vegetarian paleo diet and a meat/organ/fish paleo diet. The only thing coming up short on the veggie paleo diet is B12 and zinc. Easy enough to fix. The problem when we just say "vegetarian" is that we aren't addressing the real issue of nut/seed oil, food toxins (especially wheat germ agglutinin) and fructose. And that's not a vegetarian issue but a crappy food issue.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Whoever downvoted, let's see if you have the balls to explain yourself. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight would be my advice.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:05 PM

Mark Sisson's wife is a pescatarian. I would throw it in her

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:04 PM

No we cannot. We are at war. Duh!

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on December 02, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Can't we all just get along?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:02 PM

"Let your souuullll glooowwwww"

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:01 PM

thanks, you big dummy

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:01 PM

Admitting you don't know what is optimal is very sad. You disappoint me

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:00 PM

+1 Craig. Imagine focusing on common ground rather than difference. Is that Paleo? Clearly from the comments on this forum, it doesn't appears to be Neolithic

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 05:59 PM

You are wrong. As the OP wrote, this is war. You are a dummy too

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 05:57 PM

LB - I knew you would know the reference. That was EXACTLY the reference I had in mind. Soul glow....

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:55 PM

don't go, randy watson & sexual chocolate!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHRERLEM2eE

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 05:55 PM

AKD - you are dummy. And I love you for it

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:52 PM

since when are vegetarianism and paleo not compatible?

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:41 PM

good comment, i agree

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:10 PM

I love your colorful phrasing! +1

Medium avatar

(5639)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:05 PM

Also, who the F$%# wrote those stupid buynaturalbeef.us "articles?" It looks like they were run through Google translate...

Medium avatar

(5639)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:05 PM

It looks like you don't need much help. You're on the right track. Give her The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith for Xmas if she bugs you so much, otherwise, I vote to ignore. Who needs the extra cortisol of stressing over it...Unless she's your mom, and you're trying to change her diet, leave her alone.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:02 PM

All roads lead to Denise Minger.

  • 77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

    asked by

    (78467)
  • Views
    2K
  • Last Activity
    1279D AGO
Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

16 Answers

15
D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Vegetarians are retarded. Some more than others. The only people more retarded are the meat eaters that don't understand the difference between veganism and vegetarianism.

Give her this statistic - 100% of the vegetarians that have eaten tomatoes will die someday. Game over

[Aravind throws the mic down and walks off stage]

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:55 PM

don't go, randy watson & sexual chocolate!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHRERLEM2eE

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 05:57 PM

LB - I knew you would know the reference. That was EXACTLY the reference I had in mind. Soul glow....

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Whoever downvoted, let's see if you have the balls to explain yourself. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight would be my advice.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:02 PM

"Let your souuullll glooowwwww"

13
531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

on December 02, 2011
at 05:26 PM

My daughter is a vegetarian, as is my ex-wife. Although I'd prefer that my daughter choose to eat meat, I cannot and will not try to force it on her.

And I'll say this, too, and likely get downvoted into the abyss. I don't think I know what the optimal diet is. I think it includes meat and it may, in fact, be dominated by it. I know that my own optimal diet is primarily meat-based because I thrive on it and have tried the alternatives. But in my "other" house, we go through pounds of sweet potatoes and produce (and also some stuff I disapprove of) but my girl is doing great.

This is not proof of anything except to say that we have to accept that there is an emotional component to eating that must be respected.

Recently, my daughter admitted that she is curious to try meat. That said, it bothers her to eat animals. Which brings me to Nance's point. At which point I'll leave it with her words, which are excellent and true.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:01 PM

Admitting you don't know what is optimal is very sad. You disappoint me

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:41 PM

good comment, i agree

9
96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:06 PM

Sadly, I think you have zero chance of convincing her she's wrong.

A) She has to be dissatisfied enough with her vegetarian program to start asking questions about what's wrong B) She has to be open-minded enough to loosen her assumptions about fat, etc.

Good luck!

7
C116f7e54620c6003b67cd4450a298cd

on December 02, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Likely one of the biggest culprits in this whole argument is wheat and grains. Loose the wheat, see the change. There may be some common ground you both can start agreeing on?

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on December 02, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Yes! Well said, Craig. We have more in common than both sides realize.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:00 PM

+1 Craig. Imagine focusing on common ground rather than difference. Is that Paleo? Clearly from the comments on this forum, it doesn't appears to be Neolithic

7
C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

on December 02, 2011
at 05:42 PM

i think a vegetarian diet is obviously healthy for some people. i know and have seen lots of healthy vegetarians. look at Don Mastez and his wife, both are healthy, both are noW vegetarian and thriving. i dare say that a vegetarian diet is probably healthier than a grocery store based paleo diet FWIW...

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:16 PM

bahahhahaha, youd throw it in lotsa stuff

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

(1371)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:30 PM

lol....you must need something rewarding

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:05 PM

Mark Sisson's wife is a pescatarian. I would throw it in her

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Is that an offer? Because I would throw it in you too :-)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:23 PM

Mallory - how insulting. I have standards. I just seem to have misplaced them

6
Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on December 02, 2011
at 05:37 PM

Live and let live. Let it be.

paleo-vs-vegetarian:-it's-war

5
66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

on December 02, 2011
at 05:56 PM

why can't people understand that vegetarian vs paleo is not a zero-sum game?

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on December 02, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Can't we all just get along?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 05:59 PM

You are wrong. As the OP wrote, this is war. You are a dummy too

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 06:04 PM

No we cannot. We are at war. Duh!

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on December 02, 2011
at 06:01 PM

thanks, you big dummy

4
Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

(5332)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:01 PM

My first instinct would be to try going through Denise's critique of the China Study.
[http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/]

So much data and a lot of it actually in support of eating meat rather than plants. But really the problem is a grounding in science and logical reasoning. There's no definitive answers, and it's far too big a subject to be able to pin down someone who's dead set either way. You've got some good info there to rebut her 'claims' but she'll keep finding other ways to support her case as long as she believes in it. Ultimately it can always come down to an ethical decision for which there is no right answer. Except that we should blatantly eat meat of course.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:02 PM

All roads lead to Denise Minger.

3
8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:06 PM

One thing that can help this situation immediately is to quit thinking of her as retarded. After all, she is going to and believing in a very organized movement that has been trying to persuade her to believe what she does. There are tons of intelligent but uninformed people. If it were me, I would encourage her to keep reading so that she can continue to make informed decisions. Once she gets all the information, her choices might be different. Now as for "Harvard", there is a great saying that I think applies in this case, that the largest turds always rise to the top of the septic tank. She's correct, Harvard researchers SHOULD know how to do a proper study.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:10 PM

I love your colorful phrasing! +1

3
A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:02 PM

You could refer her to Denise Minger's AHS talk on "How to Win an Argument with a Vegetarian". But I prefer Robb Wolff's approach: "It's a waste of time". Focus on the people who want to listen - it's much more productive.

1
B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

on December 02, 2011
at 07:38 PM

WAR?

What is is good for?

Absolutely NOTHING. (say it again)

If you start this as a fight, the first thing that will happen is that everyone will start transmitting information, and NEVER taking it in.

"The scarcest resource is not oil, metals, clean air, capital, labor, or technology," Meadows concluded. "It is our willingness to listen to each other and learn from each other and to seek the truth rather than seek to be right." http://oregonfuture.oregonstate.edu/part1/pf1_04.html

Offer to trade one food item for another.

You'll give up VEAL (or something else SHE objects to) if she'll give up WHEAT (something YOU object to) for a month.

1
Medium avatar

(10611)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:27 PM

Who cares. Why spoil dinner by turning it into some kind of religion.

If you can't resist a feud, give her the paleo tract with the Lascaux paintings. The old timey religion.

1
Medium avatar

(2301)

on December 02, 2011
at 05:22 PM

Show her the thread of people on here who said they used to be vegetarians and how much better they felt after they switched to Paleo. I don't know where it is, but I saw it once.

0
3a4d0f732b3e86aa7b73adb4f6ca9dc2

on December 02, 2011
at 07:05 PM

The third argument against the Paleo diet is completely absurd.

We now live in a much more advanced and protected society than our ancestors did. I personally do not have to worry about a bear attacking me when I leave my house. I also have a heater in my home that prevents me from freezing to death. Modern medicine has prevented me from contracting certain viruses, and treated any wounds I have taken on, and education has taught me how to live a life of longevity--the caveman had no such provisions. The caveman did not die of cancer, or of heart attacks, or of diabetes. The diet is not what kept the avg. Paleolithic human life span low, thats for sure.

I'm not sure how anyone can even sustain themselves as a vegetarian. I can eat a 2 lb salad and be starving again in 10 minutes. A vegetarian diet would make many healthy people unhealthy and derived of nutrients. Try telling an athlete to eat nothing but greens and sustain their lifestyle. I'm 195 lbs with 12% body fat--if i had to eat nothing but veggies, I think I would actually starve and lose muscle mass.

Let me conclude with this-- although some people are able to eat veggies and veggies only and be ok (aka anorexic nutrient deprived women), it would be nearly impossible for others to sustain themselves on a vegetarian diet. I'm confident anyone can do the Paleo diet and notice benefits.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 02, 2011
at 07:13 PM

what on earth makes you think vegetarianism is about eating only veggies?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 07:36 PM

All vegetarians eat bread and toxic foods. You are absolutely sure about that?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 07:35 PM

All vegetarians eat bread and toxic grains. You are absolutely sure about that?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 02, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Exactly. Who could eat only vegetables and survive. Hence my answer. Vegetarians are retarded!!!

3a4d0f732b3e86aa7b73adb4f6ca9dc2

(205)

on December 02, 2011
at 07:29 PM

vegetarians do not eat meat i know. they eat breads and grains, but ask yourself what breads are made from? a vegetarian that eats other food groups that are evidently bad for health shouldn't even be in a healthy discussion.

0
0bf4aaa16b8532ca8fb773d86900d153

on December 02, 2011
at 06:00 PM

Im often between Vegan, vegetarian and meat eating. I learned to get calm and listen. Im open for vegan approch also was at the veganfach in Berlin to learn on veganlifestyle. Actually there are quiete fit vegans other vegans are like sugarcakes. sugary and fatty ...

I loved durian fruit. This is natural sugary and fatty. On Facebook someone post this article its like a biography of steve Jobs life, he is the popular media mentioned apple founder.

The author is a vegan advocat. Dr. MCdougall. People know him. Quotes like animal products make kindey stones are writne. He write that Steve had to eat meat.

At the WorldCancerSummit from Kevin Gianni. He had serveral holistic alternative and also integral cancer experts on his calls. One were David Getoff a WAPF Western Price lover. He is alos connected to the Price Pottenger Foundation not WAPF.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2011nl/nov/jobs.htm

Here is the article of Dr.Mcdougall

You see its always a come and go. There is coming this book or article people try to bash and do on it. For sure there are quiete some healthy paleos out there. For sure vegan lifestyle has a health effect over some time. For sure people have recorded better dental health on animal products.

The best is calm done and try to feel good. Why not give it a try to b vegan. Why not and if you not feel good or you think you have need for animal products add some. i love the feeling of raw plant foods. Also i had some meat organic and HEART raised in my diet. I eat raw eggs some little diary occasionally. some little animal products the rest i eat tons of plants.

There is different thing which decide what you need? Its where do you live in which climate? What is your daily activity? How do you move? What kind of type are you?

A lot things are induvidual. Often its best just listen to your heart and enjoy the time with the other peson. in our todays world it is so fantastic to spend time with each other. Everyone works. so being together is such a great gift. make the best out of it. I love it.

0
Medium avatar

on December 02, 2011
at 05:21 PM

The Paleo-Vegan distinction is based on different paradigms. Robb Wolf is right about the "waste of time" factor.

Here's a classic, hardcore paradigm war:

Bible-believing literalist holds to the "fact" that the world was created by God in seven days. A little fudge factor gets introduced, to extend the length of a day, but bottom line: the Bible is seen as the inerrant word of God, and Bishop Ussher's assertion is taken as proven: our planet was created in the year 4004. Some radical dualists in this school insist Spirit is fundamentally real, and Matter is random, and perhaps even "false." Meanwhile, the Cambridge atheist Big-Bang believing materialist holds to a strict Darwinian, natural-selection, random-mutation based worldview, where consciousness is considered a mere epiphenomenon of an unalterably physical world.

Imagine a "debate" between persons of these two persuasions. Even if the respective advocates were well-mannered, respectful, decorous; even if both avoided personal attacks, sarcasm, ridicule, and contempt — seriously, audience members would be well advised to attend for the entertainment value, or for insight into point-counterpoint argumentation, or to gain the satisfaction of leaving with the same opinions with which one arrived.

If changing people's minds is a high priority for you, hone your proselytizing skills and get on with your sacred mission. Conversely, get on with living a life you love. If these happen to be the same for you, well, looks like you're good to go.

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!