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My Goodness!! Vegan propaganda video on youtube and I just noticed something!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 30, 2012 at 6:27 AM

I am kind of ticked off by this actually. I was just watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgEE5DJ1vgA&feature=relmfu and at 0:30 and 3:52 I saw something that made my jaw drop. It shocked me because, I was raw vegan(not fruitarian) before and vegetarian before that and it seriously ruined my health. I have mentioned this in my other posts, I also mentioned that I had blue nails, blue sclera, beaus lines etc., so when I saw that this raw low fat(fruitarian style)raw vegan made this video called "Why vegan is important" and clearly has BLUE NAILS(not nail polish), I had to wonder. Don't vegans notice their nails or other markers of health like eyes,hair etc? My question is what are some reasons that blue nails occur, and have you noticed this symptom when any of you were raw vegan/vegan(there's quite a few of you)? I kind of feel bad for making this post but I hope other people see it(including vegans) because I wish I would have seen something like this when I was going to get into veganism. Now I am trying to recover from the damage. Sorry for the long post.

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on June 12, 2013
at 03:56 AM

eat grassfed and orgnaic

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on June 12, 2013
at 03:55 AM

By the way, it's also ignorant to assume that people are undereducated just because they eat meat or haven't crossed the same paths that you have taken therefore, they aren't vegan and don't share the same experiences with food. Nevertheless, lots of people on here may be more educated about food or share the same values when it comes to food. JS

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on June 12, 2013
at 03:53 AM

the paleo diet lifestyle doesn't advocate drinking milk. it advocates clean eatind based off of what our ancestors have evolved on. it's not a mistake that most of the necessary nutrients needed are all in meat, especially red. Don't think that we are carnivorious monsters who don't care for animals. Most of us prioritize buying meat from vendors that treat the animals right. I get why you don't eat meat, to be honest. In the past, I stopped eating meat because I was horrified at the treatment of animals in factory farms.

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on August 23, 2012
at 01:17 PM

"But what it all boils down too is propaganda." I agree. And it looks like you have succumbed. Take a look at the top 4 foods subsidized by the federal government: 1. Corn, 2. Wheat, 3. Soybeans, and 4. Rice. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/07/the-9-foods-the-us-government-is-paying-you-to-eat/241782/#slide9 The meat and dairy industry must make the gov't give the grain/legume industry more money as a way to hide their control over everything! They are truly diabolical!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 23, 2012
at 12:01 PM

It's a conspiracy! Black helicopters! Chemtrails! Oh my!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 30, 2012
at 11:29 PM

Paleo is not anti-vegan. :)

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on June 30, 2012
at 06:27 PM

@Karen, yes that's true I don't dispute that, but I do believe they're more of an exception to the rule. If it worked so wonderfully and was the optimal diet than more athletes would adopt it.

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on June 30, 2012
at 05:04 PM

@Karen P. Or it's fine for some people? I was dragged into vegan eating habits by a vegan acrobat/dancer, but for me it was downhill, getting ill, sloooow recovery, tired, etc; but she thrives on it perfectly, already 20 years and, although much shorter than me, she is way stronger ;)

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on June 30, 2012
at 04:07 PM

There are many vegan athletes, including competitive weight-lifters and ultra-runners. My best guess is that it's fine for a while, until it's not.

97c04f87a752ff0a5cf6be9d806c0334

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on June 30, 2012
at 03:38 PM

They look a little blue. But it could also simply look that way because it contrasts so much with her tanned skin.

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on June 30, 2012
at 01:16 PM

@VB - love Turkish mixed grills. At least twice a month I go there!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 30, 2012
at 11:56 AM

I was feeding a squirrel in a park the other day. OMG, it looked so tasty!

141171c0810650168d82601d85cfa5a3

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on June 30, 2012
at 11:42 AM

I didn't see any blue nails either.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on June 30, 2012
at 11:41 AM

They look blue to me

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on June 30, 2012
at 11:34 AM

VB: I would love to be vegetarian because I don't like killing things, but it doesn't seem to square away with health/biology, I can't mental resolve it. Are we really the compassionate hunters? http://www.habitguide.com/meat

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 30, 2012
at 09:50 AM

Thanks for answering! I thought it was due to quality of meat. The meat in America is completely tasteless. I wonder why? Too industrialized? You should try lamb kebabs in Lebanese restaurants. To die for.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on June 30, 2012
at 08:44 AM

"There was a green thing in that meal, must be one of them vegematarians."

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on June 30, 2012
at 08:43 AM

@VB: Even after 18 months of eating meat (and veges, fats, starches- real foods, in general) for two to three meals a day in my workplace, I get regular comments on how I'm such a "healthy vegetarian". The average person in this country thinks that vegetarian and healthy are *absolutely synonymous*!

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on June 30, 2012
at 08:38 AM

"Thar was a green thing in that meal, *must* be one of them vegematarians!"

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on June 30, 2012
at 08:36 AM

@VB: In my workplace, EVEN NOW (18 months since I've gone strict paleo), with me eating (for breakfast!) a pile of ground beef and bacon topped with bloody sirloin and an avocado - I get two to three comments a week about being a "healthy vegetarian"! The average person in this country thinks that vegetarian and healthy are *absolutely synonymous*.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

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on June 30, 2012
at 07:23 AM

I was vegetarian for most of my life because I didn't like the taste of meat. My husband was a vegetarian for 33 years for ethical reasons. He's a buddhist and wasnkt convinced that eating meat was good for the environment. I gave him 'the vegetarian myth' and he's now eating meat with me. Yay!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 30, 2012
at 06:49 AM

I checked out that video. They don't look blue to me, sorry. They look okay, just a little chipped (short) but nowhere blue. I also have a question for you - I hope it is not off topic but I really really want to know - why do people become vegetarians? I could never understand it and nobody can answer this question so I can understand. Is it because the meat in the US does not taste good? I mean, I cannot even imagine life without meat or fish. How can it be possible for a person to think of that?

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61c1efcc482019e016c45270b18c7453

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on June 30, 2012
at 12:16 PM

Holy Cow (no pun intended), but I'm sure you can get by on such bad nutrition when you look like you haven't lifted anything above 5lbs your entire life. This woman needs some meat(again no pun intended) on her bones.

Sometimes I wonder if Vegans and vegetarians would change their minds about their lifestyle choices if they actually exercised. Maybe then they would realize their plant-based diets are in no way optimal for a human being that actually sweats on his time-off.

7d3a7b532811b6cfa2de09acdf52d145

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on June 30, 2012
at 05:04 PM

@Karen P. Or it's fine for some people? I was dragged into vegan eating habits by a vegan acrobat/dancer, but for me it was downhill, getting ill, sloooow recovery, tired, etc; but she thrives on it perfectly, already 20 years and, although much shorter than me, she is way stronger ;)

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on June 30, 2012
at 04:07 PM

There are many vegan athletes, including competitive weight-lifters and ultra-runners. My best guess is that it's fine for a while, until it's not.

61c1efcc482019e016c45270b18c7453

(645)

on June 30, 2012
at 06:27 PM

@Karen, yes that's true I don't dispute that, but I do believe they're more of an exception to the rule. If it worked so wonderfully and was the optimal diet than more athletes would adopt it.

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489497642ad41d4b45db4d07dbe54353

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on June 30, 2012
at 11:12 AM

Blue nails usually mean that the blood is low in oxygen.

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on June 30, 2012
at 07:47 AM

I reviewed the video at the time points you mentioned and the nails do not look blue to me...they look perfectly fine.

The only thing I have ever heard of that causes blue sclera is some types of osteogenesis imperfecta (brittle bone disease).

141171c0810650168d82601d85cfa5a3

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on June 30, 2012
at 11:42 AM

I didn't see any blue nails either.

97c04f87a752ff0a5cf6be9d806c0334

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on June 30, 2012
at 03:38 PM

They look a little blue. But it could also simply look that way because it contrasts so much with her tanned skin.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on June 30, 2012
at 11:41 AM

They look blue to me

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363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

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on June 30, 2012
at 12:38 PM

When I had markers for lupus, Sjogren's syndrome and Hashimoto's (after a severely long period of malnutrition due to a stomach probably - almost 6 months of less than 200 calories a day, most of that was fruit juice), my rheumatologist told me to look for blue colored nails (which I had) and cold hands, cold body temperature as additional signs to the progression of the autoimmune conditions and thyroid problems. All of these antibodies have either disappeared or moved into ranges that aren't considered a diagnosis after just a few months of re-feeding and getting my strength back. I know that blue nails can also be a sign of Raynaud's syndrome too, another autoimmune disorder, but usually it is very severe (like whole fingertips turning blue). I didn't see the blue in the video thought.

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03d7c2c371b5302421b7244c592d5966

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on June 12, 2013
at 02:50 AM

A lot of you meat eaters seem pretty ignorant with your resposes. Get educated.

I don't eat animals because the idea of chowing down on a dead carcass that was once a living, breathing, emotional being completely disgusts me. The texture, look and idea of eating something's body is repulsive to me. I don't feel like drinking the breast milk of another species either. Not to mention the protien in milk (casien) has been proven to exacerbate the growth of cancer. I don't think it's okay to torture and kill intelligent beings just so humans can have the luxury of consuming thier flesh.

In response to the question, I am mostly vegan, had an unrelated blood test that came back with slightly low iron stores and my nails were a little blue-ish, but i'm naturally pale to begin with. Started taking iron and b-12 sups as reccomended by doc. I'm totally fine and very active. I would rather take iron and b-12 than eat animals. Maybe the asker had an unrelated illness?

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on June 12, 2013
at 03:55 AM

By the way, it's also ignorant to assume that people are undereducated just because they eat meat or haven't crossed the same paths that you have taken therefore, they aren't vegan and don't share the same experiences with food. Nevertheless, lots of people on here may be more educated about food or share the same values when it comes to food. JS

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

(416)

on June 12, 2013
at 03:53 AM

the paleo diet lifestyle doesn't advocate drinking milk. it advocates clean eatind based off of what our ancestors have evolved on. it's not a mistake that most of the necessary nutrients needed are all in meat, especially red. Don't think that we are carnivorious monsters who don't care for animals. Most of us prioritize buying meat from vendors that treat the animals right. I get why you don't eat meat, to be honest. In the past, I stopped eating meat because I was horrified at the treatment of animals in factory farms.

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Ada4d87a8b03672f01b69e6c0b077ab5

on August 23, 2012
at 11:58 AM

As we all browse on the internet for speculated opinions and blind assumptions we have to ask ourselves where are the facts? and why is it hard to find the facts. Well its quiet easy, not only the meat and dairy industry completely run the western media market they also engage in search engine's filtering system. Which means even your search results are being channeled to favor these industries.

Before the internet there has been a wide range or studies on plant based diet vs the western meat consuming diet. These studies have taken 20+ years to complete and are now easily accessible to those who actually use the internet for what its worth. Undoubtbly we arnt told that more people on this planet live off of a starch / plant based diet so it becomes quiet apparant that the societys that do consume a meat/ dairy based diet have a dramatic increase in many of the epidemics we see today in the west. Diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer... These diseases do not come close to the fraction of occurances in a plant based society.

Besides the fact that all of our meat and dairy is tainted with a enourmous amount of terrible chemicals, hormones that have been deliberately bribed into our food system with zero publicity. It becomes quiet apparant that the system is bent on damaging large scale health and to generate alot of money in the process. Large scale problems can only be corrected by government intervention. (Isnt that what we are seeing in the first place )

But what it all boils down too is propaganda. These industries have infultrated our schools, our literature, our minds! We have been conditioned to a animal based diet to be accepted as a social norm. But wait, "Milk is good for building strong bones". Ever hear that one before? Well goes to show that those "Got milk" ads where made illegal for false advertisement and has been proven in more then 100 studies that Milk does the complete opposite to your bones! It makes your bones weaker!!!!

One small truth can uncover a mountain of lies. I wonder what else they are lieing about ;-)

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

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on August 23, 2012
at 01:17 PM

"But what it all boils down too is propaganda." I agree. And it looks like you have succumbed. Take a look at the top 4 foods subsidized by the federal government: 1. Corn, 2. Wheat, 3. Soybeans, and 4. Rice. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/07/the-9-foods-the-us-government-is-paying-you-to-eat/241782/#slide9 The meat and dairy industry must make the gov't give the grain/legume industry more money as a way to hide their control over everything! They are truly diabolical!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 23, 2012
at 12:01 PM

It's a conspiracy! Black helicopters! Chemtrails! Oh my!

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

(416)

on June 12, 2013
at 03:56 AM

eat grassfed and orgnaic

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